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TrollSlayer11
02/13/18 10:17:16 PM
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What the actual fuck?
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SSJGrimReaper
02/13/18 10:19:05 PM
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inb4 RebelElite has a meltdown in here
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StormSignal
02/13/18 10:19:26 PM
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Not That Bad
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TrollSlayer11
02/13/18 10:22:23 PM
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The film is indefensible from a pure storytelling standpoint.

The writing, plot inconsistencies, contrivances, characters not even acting like themselves, pacing, lack of backstory, forgotten plot points, etc.

I mean just from a fundamental film standpoint this is an objectively bad movie.

Then when you analyze how the film completely shits on the Star Wars mythos and lore it gets even worse.

Like what the actual fuck?
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Capital_Tenant
02/13/18 10:26:36 PM
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SSJGrimReaper posted...
inb4 RebelElite has a meltdown in here

@RebelElite791
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RebelElite791
02/14/18 12:54:58 AM
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TrollSlayer11 posted...
Then when you analyze how the film completely shits on the Star Wars mythos and lore it gets even worse.

Explain how without invoking Legends
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TrollSlayer11
02/15/18 9:26:42 PM
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Imagine defending a film where Rey was able to not only stand toe to toe with, but best Luke Skywalker in a tussle and knock him flat on his ass.

Luke FUCKING Skywalker
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cjsdowg
02/15/18 9:30:05 PM
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The Last Jedi is why I am going to see the Black Panther. I have to get over the disappointment of the Finn. Finn is like a runaway child who doesn't think for himself. Each time I see people defend this crap I just wonder why are they ok with that man's treatment.
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ASithLord7
02/15/18 9:34:02 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
Then when you analyze how the film completely shits on the Star Wars mythos and lore it gets even worse.

Explain how without invoking Legends

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cjsdowg
02/15/18 9:39:07 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
Then when you analyze how the film completely shits on the Star Wars mythos and lore it gets even worse.

Explain how without invoking Legends


How about messing up how the force worked. When they speak of balance to the force it never meant that if someone on the dark side gets stronger then someone the light side would get stronger to.

For a number of reasons this is just messed up.

Like why train, when you are train you are just making others stronger.
If you switch sides what happens .
Why hasn't this been a thing before. Luke had to train to be able to as strong as he was , he just wasn't granted all his powers at once.
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MaverickXeo
02/15/18 9:41:26 PM
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The movie was cool, but had its major flaws.

Some of the special effects were done very, very poorly, but I DID like the twists the plot took. It was too long and some parts were kind of unneeded, but help set the mood for the universe. Basically, the movie, from a critical standpoint, was very flawed, but it was still very enjoyable. It seemed to go all over the place for no real reason.
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pokemonzero
02/15/18 9:43:46 PM
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TrollSlayer11 posted...
Imagine defending a film where Rey was able to not only stand toe to toe with, but best Luke Skywalker in a tussle and knock him flat on his ass.

Luke FUCKING Skywalker

umm he had cut himself off of the force in shame, she had not. if he was not handicapping himself, and literally blinding himself he woulda easily won
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Swagnificent119
02/15/18 9:48:12 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
Then when you analyze how the film completely shits on the Star Wars mythos and lore it gets even worse.

Explain how without invoking Legends


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw7pcCj0ORk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gRC4L6lNoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFnMMzqjYGw


Long but hits literally everything.

He even points out the hypocrisy with guys like Rebel where they just pull shit out of their ass that has no basis in canon or legends to fix Rians mistakes.
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Squall28
02/15/18 9:48:51 PM
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It's a good movie.
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Swagnificent119
02/15/18 9:50:27 PM
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pokemonzero posted...
umm he had cut himself off of the force in shame, she had not. if he was not handicapping himself, and literally blinding himself he woulda easily won


doesn't he literally use the force right before the fight to tear the door down?
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TrollSlayer11
02/15/18 9:52:25 PM
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Han is a deadbeat father and goes back to Smuggling and loses his son to the dark side to get killed by his son in TFA

Leia's character is not necessarily ruined but the actress couldn't act. They did a horrible disservice by not giving Leia a death in the beginning of the film

What they did to Luke's character deserves a dissertation

They made the villains comic relief weaklings

Rey has never met an opponent she couldn't beat and apparently can fight and use the Force like a Jedi Knight despite ZERO training

Stop defending this garbage

The ending... WTF at the ending... a fake Force hologram that kills Luke? Why? What is with this pointless bullshit?


How can anyone defend this shit?
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DoctorVader
02/15/18 9:53:26 PM
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Swagnificent119 posted...
pokemonzero posted...
umm he had cut himself off of the force in shame, she had not. if he was not handicapping himself, and literally blinding himself he woulda easily won


doesn't he literally use the force right before the fight to tear the door down?

That's after, but the original intent was never for him to lose the Force. He was supposed to use the Force in TFA, but was changed last minute to be in line with what RJ was going for.
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C_Pain
02/15/18 9:54:06 PM
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If you hate last jedi you legit have low iq and you're a nerd
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
02/15/18 9:54:42 PM
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Why is Kyle a whiny bitch that looks like he got a feminist studies degree from Berkeley but spent most of his time in a safe space.

What an absolute shit job handling snoke.

Here Mary Sue, more power for you.

Rey caught up to the ship. Finn left and came back. Why couldn't the empire catch them or call another ship to cut them off.

Why the fuck did Leia force fly to stay alive and then survive the movie when fisher is dead.

Why didn't she make the heroes sacrifice of crashing the ship. A fine send off for a great character.

Whyd they turn Luke into a bitch. Whyd he die when he turned un bitch.

Is Finn able to speak without making me Cringe? I don't think so chrome dome.

But he's not nearly as bad as his new 12 year old Asian girlfriend who says things like "were not going to win by fighting what we hate but fighting for what we love guy I've known for a couple days if that.

Also he should have crashed. Would have made his crappy character cool.

Talking about cool. At least he's in it. The heir apparent to Han solo that every kid will want to be. Well I mean he's in it. Still limited screen time and now we're gonna make him an absolute fuck up.

Also let's have Chewbacca adopt merchandising so that we have have a few shitty laughs during the most tense part of the movie.

Im Rey and with no training at all I'm stronger than Luke.


Im sure there is more but I don't even know if I want to see 9 after this mess.

It was worse than creed and rocky 5. Worse than God father 3 worse than the last die hard movie in Russia. It was worse than the last season of dexter.
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The_Ivory_Man
02/15/18 9:57:12 PM
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The whole sequel trilogy is bad.

Honestly it's as simple as seeing the setting.

Prequels: A Senator manipulates the Galactic Council with a proxy war to get himself supreme power.

Original Trilogy: A band of Rebels make strikes against an oppressive Empire that dominates the Galaxy.

Sequel Trilogy: A band of Resistance fighters make strikes against an oppressive First Order that dominates the Galaxy.

There's nothing original at all, characters have negative development, the First Order is literally "Empire but like even bigger dude whoah", boring new characters (with one exception), extremely poor world building, lack of aliens, dropping the droids tell the story idea, contradicting how the force works.

It really is bad, it was filmed well. But that's all it has going for it.
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dave_is_slick
02/15/18 9:58:45 PM
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TrollSlayer11 posted...
What they did to Luke's character deserves a dissertation

No, his arc was the best part.
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The_Ivory_Man
02/15/18 9:59:26 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
What they did to Luke's character deserves a dissertation

No, his arc was the best part.


So good Mark Hamill can't even call him Luke Skywalker and calls him Jake.
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cjsdowg
02/15/18 10:00:06 PM
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Wow Will you really hated this movie.

dave_is_slick posted...

No, his arc was the best part.


He was one of the truest heroes ever, when you looked up good guy in the hero phone book you would find him..
They changed him into a psycho and coward .

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TrollSlayer11
02/15/18 10:00:40 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
What they did to Luke's character deserves a dissertation

No, his arc was the best part.


This should be moddable.

Trolling and Offensive Posting
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masticatingman
02/15/18 10:01:13 PM
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SSJGrimReaper posted...
inb4 RebelElite has a meltdown in here


Too late now.
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dave_is_slick
02/15/18 10:01:23 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
Then when you analyze how the film completely shits on the Star Wars mythos and lore it gets even worse.

Explain how without invoking Legends

So uh, people have done that manymanymany times before but you want to pretend they haven't? Okay!
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DarthAragorn
02/15/18 10:03:07 PM
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It was worse than Creed but that's not saying much because Creed was a great movie

The Last Jedi however was not
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dave_is_slick
02/15/18 10:03:24 PM
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TrollSlayer11 posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
What they did to Luke's character deserves a dissertation

No, his arc was the best part.


This should be moddable.

Trolling and Offensive Posting

Not at all. Hell, some of your "points" were things explicitly explained in the movie. Don't cry that you don't understand why Luke died from doing that when it was explicitly foreshadowed. If you want to complain about Holdo and literally letting the last of the Resistance think they were going to die for nothing, I'm right there with you, but not for anything involving Luke.
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ASithLord7
02/15/18 10:05:30 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
Then when you analyze how the film completely shits on the Star Wars mythos and lore it gets even worse.

Explain how without invoking Legends


How about messing up how the force worked. When they speak of balance to the force it never meant that if someone on the dark side gets stronger then someone the light side would get stronger to.

For a number of reasons this is just messed up.

Like why train, when you are train you are just making others stronger.
If you switch sides what happens .
Why hasn't this been a thing before. Luke had to train to be able to as strong as he was , he just wasn't granted all his powers at once.


Hey, genius, guess what? Snokes speculation is not canon. Pablo Hidalgo for example has said this numerous times that people need to stop treating every character in the series as a reliable narrator.

Nothing in this movie changes anything about the Force
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Veggeta_EDGE
02/15/18 10:07:14 PM
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dave_is_slick
02/15/18 10:07:16 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
Nothing in this movie changes anything about the Force

Says someone so deep in denial that they think they have more knowledge than characters actually in that universe. Sit down, be humble.
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ASithLord7
02/15/18 10:07:38 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
Nothing in this movie changes anything about the Force

Says someone so deep in denial that they think they have more knowledge than characters actually in that universe. Sit down, be humble.

?????

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cjsdowg
02/15/18 10:09:04 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...


Hey, genius, guess what? Snokes speculation is not canon. Pablo Hidalgo for example has said this numerous times that people need to stop treating every character in the series as a reliable narrator.

Nothing in this movie changes anything about the Force


So if what he said wasn't true . Then we just got a random person who is over powered and 2.5 hours with no answers . And plot that was only possible due to the people not talking to each other. Is that really what you to go with to defend this movie .
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frozenshock
02/15/18 10:10:27 PM
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Say what you want about the prequels, at least they were made with one vision in mind

The Disney trilogy so far has been... wow.
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ASithLord7
02/15/18 10:10:38 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
ASithLord7 posted...


Hey, genius, guess what? Snokes speculation is not canon. Pablo Hidalgo for example has said this numerous times that people need to stop treating every character in the series as a reliable narrator.

Nothing in this movie changes anything about the Force


So if what he said wasn't true . Then we just got a random person who is over powered and 2.5 hours with no answers . And plot that was only possible due to the people not talking to each other. Is that really what you to go with to defend this movie .


Im not talking anything about plot details ITT

Nothing about the movie breaks the lore/canon
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MabusIncarnate
02/15/18 10:11:38 PM
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Omg, it's like, people are allowed to have their own opinion. What's that all about?
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dave_is_slick
02/15/18 10:11:51 PM
#37:


ASithLord7 posted...
Im not talking anything about plot details ITT

Nothing about the movie breaks the lore/canon

dave_is_slick posted...
Says someone so deep in denial that they think they have more knowledge than characters actually in that universe.

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TrollSlayer11
02/15/18 10:12:10 PM
#38:


dave_is_slick posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
What they did to Luke's character deserves a dissertation

No, his arc was the best part.


This should be moddable.

Trolling and Offensive Posting

Not at all. Hell, some of your "points" were things explicitly explained in the movie. Don't cry that you don't understand why Luke died from doing that when it was explicitly foreshadowed. If you want to complain about Holdo and literally letting the last of the Resistance think they were going to die for nothing, I'm right there with you, but not for anything involving Luke.


Luke had the worst storyline. It doesn't matter if it was "explained" it was FUCKING STUPID.

Everything about Luke's character is beyond idiotic. Luke in the new trilogy is a coward, whiny, pathetic, incapable, neutered, grumpy hermit who abandoned his family and friends and the galaxy he fought for.

Then Luke, the man whose father was the Star Wars version of Hitler and he STILL put his life on the line to try to save and redeem him because he sensed some good in him. And he tries to kill his nephew, the son of his twin sister and best friend, his youngest relative and only living relative outside of Leia, he tries to KILL HIM IN HIS SLEEP cuz he thought he would be evil in the future?

What the fuck?

What the actual fuck? Then he commits suicide at the end of the movie to do some stupid mirage trick? He didn't actually fly to the planet with Rey if he was going to die? Go there and have a stand and actually fuck shit up? Just die like an impotent little bitch.

Fuck that. Can't believe people are accepting this garbage ass movie. No wonder Disney put crap like this out cuz they know goddamn idiots will eat it up no matter how much they butcher it.
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ASithLord7
02/15/18 10:12:27 PM
#39:


dave_is_slick posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
Im not talking anything about plot details ITT

Nothing about the movie breaks the lore/canon

dave_is_slick posted...
Says someone so deep in denial that they think they have more knowledge than characters actually in that universe.

Are you referring to me saying how the creators of the story have said not every character is a reliable narrator that should be taken at face value?
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dave_is_slick
02/15/18 10:12:55 PM
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And the funny thing is, I liked it. There's no honest way to say this movie didn't have a lot of problems though.
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dave_is_slick
02/15/18 10:13:58 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
Are you referring to me saying how the creators of the story have said not every character is a reliable narrator that should be taken at face value?

Yes because that is clearly a statement made to try to appease people who rightfully pointed out that massive break.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
02/15/18 10:14:09 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
It was worse than Creed but that's not saying much because Creed was a great movie

The Last Jedi however was not


I didn't care for it but it's probably because I was comparing it against and expecting a rocky movie. It was probably good as a stand alone.

Me and my friends marathoned all 5 rocky movies, then went in costume to the theater and it was just a huge let down for us.
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dave_is_slick
02/15/18 10:15:52 PM
#43:


TrollSlayer11 posted...
And he tries to kill his nephew, the son of his twin sister and best friend, his youngest relative and only living relative outside of Leia, he tries to KILL HIM IN HIS SLEEP cuz he thought he would be evil in the future?

No he didn't. He ignited his saber in extreme fear of the massive dark presence he felt, but literally a half second later realized what in the fuck he was doing. Unfortunately, that half second was all it took.
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cjsdowg
02/15/18 10:16:09 PM
#44:


TrollSlayer11 posted...

f*** that. Can't believe people are accepting this garbage ass movie. No wonder Disney put crap like this out cuz they know goddamn idiots will eat it up no matter how much they butcher it.


They have an install base that is not going any where. There are people who hated the movie who went back to see it more than once.
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Swagnificent119
02/15/18 10:16:43 PM
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"Don't worry guys, we will get answers in Episode VIII that will make Episode VII good!"

"Don't worry guys, everything will be fixed in Episode IX and make VIII and VII good!"
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dave_is_slick
02/15/18 10:18:08 PM
#46:


TrollSlayer11 posted...
What the actual f***? Then he commits suicide at the end of the movie to do some stupid mirage trick? He didn't actually fly to the planet with Rey if he was going to die? Go there and have a stand and actually f*** s*** up? Just die like an impotent little b****.

Kylo is already highly unstable from killing Han. By doing what he did there, he further destabilized him. It was a test and Kylo failed. Pay attention and quit crying because Luke was a character with flaws instead of some Jedi god.
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cjsdowg
02/15/18 10:19:58 PM
#47:


dave_is_slick posted...

Kylo is already highly unstable from killing Han. By doing what he did there, he further destabilized him. It was a test and Kylo failed. Pay attention and quit crying because Luke was a character with flaws instead of some Jedi god.


Flaws is one thing . A psycho coward that lets the word and his family burn while not fixing his mistake is something else.

Lighting the Saber could have been a mistake/flaw. Not doing anything after that to stop what he set in motion is unforgivable .

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TrollSlayer11
02/15/18 10:20:30 PM
#48:


dave_is_slick posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
And he tries to kill his nephew, the son of his twin sister and best friend, his youngest relative and only living relative outside of Leia, he tries to KILL HIM IN HIS SLEEP cuz he thought he would be evil in the future?

No he didn't. He ignited his saber in extreme fear of the massive dark presence he felt, but literally a half second later realized what in the fuck he was doing. Unfortunately, that half second was all it took.


Shut the fuck up and stop lying to us and yourself. Luke IN THE MOVIE admits he wanted to end Ben's life because he saw how evil he would become. It wasn't a "vague dark presence" he saw that his nephew was turned to the dark side and decided the best answer was to KILL HIM to stop the future from happening.

The flashback even shows it... He realizes what he's doing then gets Force blasted. He literally thought about killing his nephew.

Can't stand fucking apologists like you.
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SlashmanSG
02/15/18 10:22:01 PM
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Well, it was the best Star Wars movie since ESB.
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electricbugs2
02/15/18 10:23:16 PM
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lol look at this man fall apart over a children's movie.

SlashmanSG posted...
Well, it was the best Star Wars movie since ESB.

Also, this.
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