Board 8 > Dammit, why is Tales of Berseria still $60 a year later?

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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 11:19:52 AM
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Plenty of third party sellers for $20 online, but damn if I wouldn't rather have it digitally. Also a pretty big deterrent against people buying it this late :/

Should have just used that "keep" option from Gamefly.
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The Mana Sword
02/13/18 11:21:25 AM
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I've seen it regularly on sale for like $25 over the past few months on Amazon & other retailers. I'm pretty sure PSN had a Tales sale only a few weeks ago where it was like $35.
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 11:22:36 AM
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I've seen those before, but didn't have the itch to replay at the time. Still, shouldn't the base price have dropped by now? Or is this Namco thing?
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Arti
02/13/18 11:22:54 AM
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It was $20 at Best Buy a week ago. All the stores near my house were sold out, though.
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GranzonEx
02/13/18 11:23:09 AM
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it's $20 at Gamestop
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 11:26:23 AM
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Yeah physical copies are cheap, that's kind of my point. Digital prices should at least be ALMOST that. Just ordered off of Amazon.
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iiicon
02/13/18 11:39:34 AM
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The PSN sale just ended this morning whenever PSN updated, usually around 7-8AM PST. It was $24. Bad timing.
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 11:40:56 AM
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Fuck, really? God damn.

I really hope we get that new game announcement soon, it's about time. Supposed to be the first exclusively current gen entry.
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iiicon
02/13/18 11:43:11 AM
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Even BIGGER flat fields with maybe a cliff or two but no other distinguishing features, hype
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The Mana Sword
02/13/18 11:44:22 AM
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excuse me at least half of the areas in berseria had a ramp or two thank you very much
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 11:45:45 AM
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Hey now, Berseria was way, way better about that than Zestiria was!

Except that one fucking field with the mountain in the middle. You even had to walk around it. Fuck that.
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 11:48:27 AM
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Mainly though I just wanna know how the character art looks. There's always the worry that they go the Star Ocean route and make everything hideous.

Thankfully I feel like the chance of that here are low.
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iiicon
02/13/18 11:48:45 AM
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With how close Namco and Nintendo are becoming, hopefully Namco brought over someone from Monolith to give a presentation on how to design levels
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 11:49:35 AM
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Levels look way better but now the starting area has a level 80 monster.
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The Mana Sword
02/13/18 11:51:29 AM
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next tales game to have field skills

nopons will be the new series mascot
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iiicon
02/13/18 11:57:09 AM
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LapisLazuli posted...
Levels look way better but now the starting area has a level 80 monster.

I'm sold
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Mr Crispy
02/13/18 11:59:59 AM
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eh I'd think that there's a good chance that it would go on sale again in may since they usually have a golden week sale for animu games then.
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Xiahou Shake
02/13/18 12:01:31 PM
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If you're open to getting it on PC, the game's had some pretty huge discounts there. Like, below $20 if I'm recalling correctly.
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Mac Arrowny
02/13/18 1:26:11 PM
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XB2's level designs really make me question how the recent games have such terrible areas. Like was Berseria made by 20 people or something?
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KamikazePotato
02/13/18 1:51:17 PM
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Tales areas have always been about this quality. They just...never improved over time like everyone else did.
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Mac Arrowny
02/13/18 1:58:29 PM
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Symphonia's dungeons at least tried to be interesting.
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Xiahou Shake
02/13/18 2:05:14 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Tales areas have always been about this quality. They just...never improved over time like everyone else did.

This is accurate for overworld stuff but dungeons have definitely degraded. Compare Symphonia/Graces/Vesperia with all the post-Xillia games full of actually featureless copy-paste caves for most of their dungeons.
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 2:06:46 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
XB2's level designs really make me question how the recent games have such terrible areas. Like was Berseria made by 20 people or something?


I mean....kinda, yeah. Berseria was a lower budget game than the last one by a good margin. New director, prequel to a poorly recieved game, not a lot of faith.

Honestly amazing that it's the best Tales game since Vesperia by a large margin.
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LeonhartFour
02/13/18 2:09:14 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
Symphonia's dungeons at least tried to be interesting.


yeah I'll give them that much

Xiahou Shake posted...
Compare Symphonia/Graces/Vesperia with all the post-Xillia games full of actually featureless copy-paste caves for most of their dungeons.


So they're basically Mass Effect 1? I've only played Symphonia and Abyss myself, so I'm not sure how the series evolved from there.
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Heroic Bigpun
02/13/18 2:11:37 PM
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It's gonna be 15 tomorrow at gamestop as part of some weeb anime sale that's starting on Valentine's day

Lulz
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LeonhartFour
02/13/18 2:12:19 PM
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(although I did snag Berseria for about 20 bucks a couple months ago since I've been hearing so many good things about it)
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 2:15:14 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
So they're basically Mass Effect 1? I've only played Symphonia and Abyss myself, so I'm not sure how the series evolved from there.


Vesperia was killer but it was a big slump after that. Some games had specific good things about them, but the full packages weren't all there. Berseria isn't perfect but it's a big return to form, worst case scenario it might be the 3rd best in the series, maybe #1 depending on how I feel that day.

Level design probably keeps it at #3 more often than not, though.
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mnkboy907
02/13/18 2:15:27 PM
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Heroic Bigpun posted...
It's gonna be 15 tomorrow at gamestop as part of some weeb anime sale that's starting on Valentine's day

Lulz

Good to know!
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KamikazePotato
02/13/18 2:15:51 PM
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Symphonia tried to be interesting, and I did like some areas (Volt's dungeon in particular is cool) but I think I prefer bland cut-and-paste dungeons to whatever Ymir Forest was.

LeonhartFour posted...
I've only played Symphonia and Abyss myself, so I'm not sure how the series evolved from there

It didn't. Berseria's map and dungeon design is what holds the game back from being one of my all-time favorites. It's still up there but it could've been even better.

EDIT: The battle system has changed a lot though, and generally for the better.
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 2:15:55 PM
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Heroic Bigpun posted...
It's gonna be 15 tomorrow at gamestop as part of some weeb anime sale that's starting on Valentine's day

Lulz


Pun why the hell would I go to Gamestop, I'm not a caveman.
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mnkboy907
02/13/18 2:16:50 PM
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LapisLazuli posted...
Heroic Bigpun posted...
It's gonna be 15 tomorrow at gamestop as part of some weeb anime sale that's starting on Valentine's day

Lulz


Pun why the hell would I go to Gamestop, I'm not a caveman.

They have a website! Well assuming the deal isn't in-store only for some reason.
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The Mana Sword
02/13/18 2:17:16 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Berseria's map and dungeon design is what holds the game back from being one of my all-time favorites.


are you telling me you didn't think Berseria's final dungeon was a masterpiece
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 2:18:05 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
EDIT: The battle system has changed a lot though, and generally for the better.


This is mostly why I want to play it again. The last few.months of my life have been JRPGs with fucking trash battle systems that I hate (Star Ocean 6, FFXV) so I'm a little desperate.

Berseria's battle system is the only RPG I'm recent memory that makes me want to fight battles just for entertainment.
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The Mana Sword
02/13/18 2:19:24 PM
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LapisLazuli posted...
Star Ocean 6


did your uncle who works at square get you an advance copy
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 2:19:48 PM
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The Mana Sword posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Berseria's map and dungeon design is what holds the game back from being one of my all-time favorites.


are you telling me you didn't think Berseria's final dungeon was a masterpiece


Fucking fuck, dude.

That atrocity is almost enough to knock a point off that game's overall score.
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GranzonEx
02/13/18 2:20:14 PM
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The Mana Sword posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Star Ocean 6


did your uncle who works at square get you an advance copy

he doesn't need an advance copy to know Star Ocean 6 will be trash
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 2:20:17 PM
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The Mana Sword posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Star Ocean 6


did your uncle who works at square get you an advance copy


Oh whoops.
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The Mana Sword
02/13/18 2:21:06 PM
#38:


GranzonEx posted...
The Mana Sword posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Star Ocean 6


did your uncle who works at square get you an advance copy

he doesn't need an advance copy to know Star Ocean 6 will be trash


fight me
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 2:21:56 PM
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GranzonEx posted...
The Mana Sword posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Star Ocean 6


did your uncle who works at square get you an advance copy

he doesn't need an advance copy to know Star Ocean 6 will be trash


This is also true, though.

Star Ocean 5 is a HILARIOUS game. It takes skill to make a game that bad. It's very rare that a game has zero redeeming values whatsoever. At least FFXV had fishing.
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swordz9
02/13/18 2:22:26 PM
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I got this for $20 not too long ago. Havent started it yet though because I started Xenoverse 2 first. Its one of the games Im going to start next though
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KamikazePotato
02/13/18 2:22:31 PM
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The Mana Sword posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Berseria's map and dungeon design is what holds the game back from being one of my all-time favorites.


are you telling me you didn't think Berseria's final dungeon was a masterpiece

I think you (and others) in my psuedo-playthrough topic told me to use a guide as soon as I set foot into that place. It was advice I ended up appreciating from the bottom of my heart.

It's a shame, because it's by far the most visually interesting place in the game. Good music too.
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 2:24:14 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
The Mana Sword posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Berseria's map and dungeon design is what holds the game back from being one of my all-time favorites.


are you telling me you didn't think Berseria's final dungeon was a masterpiece

I think you (and others) in my psuedo-playthrough topic told me to use a guide as soon as I set foot into that place. It was advice I ended up appreciating from the bottom of my heart.

It's a shame, because it's by far the most visually interesting place in the game. Good music too.


We were just looking out for you, man.

Better the final dungeon be trash than the entirety of the last third of the game EXCEPT the final dungeon *coughzesteriacough*
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SantaRPidgey
02/13/18 2:26:34 PM
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Beserias final dungeon wasnt that bad, it was mostly linear .

Ive always hated tales dungeons, and even though they were bland I enjoyed the ease and linear nature over random sorcerers ring bs basically designed to waste time
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KommunistKoala
02/13/18 2:30:22 PM
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I didn't think the final dungeon was that bad either
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tazzyboyishere
02/13/18 2:32:40 PM
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LapisLazuli posted...
Berseria's battle system is the only RPG I'm recent memory that makes me want to fight battles just for entertainment.

....what?
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KamikazePotato
02/13/18 2:34:11 PM
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The final dungeon is pretty obnoxious if you want to get all the stuff in it, and considering they hid all of the Level 3 specials in there...yeah.
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KommunistKoala
02/13/18 2:35:15 PM
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oh yeah i just went straight to the end cause I was tired of the battle system by that point
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tazzyboyishere
02/13/18 2:36:00 PM
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I didn't have a problem with the final dungeon, but I also ended up slapping it on the easiest difficulty so I could avoid the battles, so it didn't take me too long.

I wish the series would just go back to a world map. These large, open fields are killing the franchise for me. Berseria has an incredible story, but without that, it'd be one of the weakest games in the series.
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LapisLazuli
02/13/18 2:36:02 PM
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tazzyboyishere posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Berseria's battle system is the only RPG I'm recent memory that makes me want to fight battles just for entertainment.

....what?


In a lot of RPGs if you weren't getting the EXP/Items/Etc you would just avoid them. Berseria's I would play even in a vacuum.
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SantaRPidgey
02/13/18 2:36:26 PM
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Oh yeah I never even used specials in that game
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