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Fam_Fam 02/13/18 11:23:19 AM #51:	don't shoot black man - get fired shoot black man - paid vacation <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:896002137] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote>don't shoot black man - get fired shoot black man - paid vacation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 02/13/18 11:26:54 AM #52:	The Admiral posted... A good police officer communicates the situation to other officers so he doesn't put them in danger. I read a different article, but it sounded like it was the dispatcher who wasn't getting information to people. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:896002316] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>A good police officer communicates the situation to other officers so he doesn't put them in danger.</quote> I read a different article, but it sounded like it was the dispatcher who wasn't getting information to people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 11:38:31 AM #53:	Anteaterking posted... The Admiral posted... A good police officer communicates the situation to other officers so he doesn't put them in danger. I read a different article, but it sounded like it was the dispatcher who wasn't getting information to people. Not by Addy's logic engine...nobody's at the wheel, though. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896002935] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>A good police officer communicates the situation to other officers so he doesn't put them in danger.</quote> I read a different article, but it sounded like it was the dispatcher who wasn't getting information to people.</quote> Not by Addy's logic engine...nobody's at the wheel, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 02/13/18 11:48:23 AM #54:	He wasnt fired because the PD is racist and wants to kill black men. He was fired because he refused to follow protocol and put himself and fellow officers in danger. This is not a 1:1 comparison, but I worked as a paramedic, and protocol was immensely important. We operated under a doctors standing orders and were given license to interpret when it applied. If a guy went into cardiac arrest and I avoided following protocol because I thought he was faking, I would be terminated and possibly prosecuted. Police work is a little less cut-and-dry, which is why I suspect he won a civil suit, but admonishing the PD for it is pointless. We take draconian measures because the alternative is chaos and leads to more trouble than otherwise --- ultimate milf hunter https://i.imgur.com/lCEdce6.gifv https://i.imgur.com/2N1Ezia.gifv https://i.imgur.com/ukJ6sPJ.jpg https://youtu.be/IDYaHvDiTr4 <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:896003458] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote>He wasnt fired because the PD is racist and wants to kill black men. He was fired because he refused to follow protocol and put himself and fellow officers in danger. This is not a 1:1 comparison, but I worked as a paramedic, and protocol was immensely important. We operated under a doctors standing orders and were given license to interpret when it applied. If a guy went into cardiac arrest and I avoided following protocol because I thought he was faking, I would be terminated and possibly prosecuted. Police work is a little less cut-and-dry, which is why I suspect he won a civil suit, but admonishing the PD for it is pointless. We take draconian measures because the alternative is chaos and leads to more trouble than otherwise</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 11:52:35 AM #55:	EnragedSlith posted... He was fired because he refused to follow protocol and put himself and fellow officers in danger. If that was the case he would have been released for the two prior alleged incidents, and he wasn't. Y'all try to justify this stuff - it's weird. EnragedSlith posted... Police work is a little less cut-and-dry, which is why I suspect he won a civil suit, He won the suit because he was WRONGFULLY TERMINATED, you all are trying way too hard. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896003686] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>EnragedSlith posted...</cite> <quote>He was fired because he refused to follow protocol and put himself and fellow officers in danger.</quote> If that was the case he would have been released for the two prior alleged incidents, and he wasn't. Y'all try to justify this stuff - it's weird. <cite>EnragedSlith posted...</cite> <quote>Police work is a little less cut-and-dry, which is why I suspect he won a civil suit, </quote> He won the suit because he was WRONGFULLY TERMINATED, you all are trying way too hard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 02/13/18 11:59:19 AM #56:	EnragedSlith posted... He wasnt fired because the PD is racist and wants to kill black men. He was fired because he refused to follow protocol and put himself and fellow officers in danger. When protocol is wrong, refusing to follow it is a virtue. I'm glad that this man refused to follow the "shoot the suicidal man who is only a danger to himself" protocol. I am upset that the other two cops did follow it. <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:896004062] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>EnragedSlith posted...</cite> <quote>He wasnt fired because the PD is racist and wants to kill black men. He was fired because he refused to follow protocol and put himself and fellow officers in danger. </quote> When protocol is wrong, refusing to follow it is a virtue. I'm glad that this man refused to follow the "shoot the suicidal man who is only a danger to himself" protocol. I am upset that the other two cops did follow it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 02/13/18 12:09:27 PM #57:	_OujiDoza_ posted... EnragedSlith posted... He was fired because he refused to follow protocol and put himself and fellow officers in danger. If that was the case he would have been released for the two prior alleged incidents, and he wasn't. Do people often get fired for first offenses in your world? Darklit_Minuet posted... EnragedSlith posted... He wasnt fired because the PD is racist and wants to kill black men. He was fired because he refused to follow protocol and put himself and fellow officers in danger. When protocol is wrong, refusing to follow it is a virtue. I'm glad that this man refused to follow the "shoot the suicidal man who is only a danger to himself" protocol. I am upset that the other two cops did follow it. Youre making a moral argument where none pertains. Protocol and laws and morality are questioned and debated on by legislators and the public, not the police who enforce it. Maybe this man saved his own soul if you want to say he did the right thing, but he put people in danger in the process. Whether the man killed wouldve hurt someone is irrelevant, and thats precisely why this cop lost his job. Idealism doesnt hold up in reality, and, mind you, this is a reality that almost none of you has any experience in. --- ultimate milf hunter https://i.imgur.com/lCEdce6.gifv https://i.imgur.com/2N1Ezia.gifv https://i.imgur.com/ukJ6sPJ.jpg https://youtu.be/IDYaHvDiTr4 <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:896004581] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EnragedSlith posted...</cite> <quote>He was fired because he refused to follow protocol and put himself and fellow officers in danger.</quote> If that was the case he would have been released for the two prior alleged incidents, and he wasn't.</quote> Do people often get fired for first offenses in your world? <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EnragedSlith posted...</cite> <quote>He wasnt fired because the PD is racist and wants to kill black men. He was fired because he refused to follow protocol and put himself and fellow officers in danger. </quote> When protocol is wrong, refusing to follow it is a virtue. I'm glad that this man refused to follow the "shoot the suicidal man who is only a danger to himself" protocol. I am upset that the other two cops did follow it.</quote> Youre making a moral argument where none pertains. Protocol and laws and morality are questioned and debated on by legislators and the public, not the police who enforce it. Maybe this man saved his own soul if you want to say he did the right thing, but he put people in danger in the process. Whether the man killed wouldve hurt someone is irrelevant, and thats precisely why this cop lost his job. Idealism doesnt hold up in reality, and, mind you, this is a reality that almost none of you has any experience in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 02/13/18 12:14:26 PM #58:	EnragedSlith posted... Youre making a moral argument where none pertains. Protocol and laws and morality are questioned and debated on by legislators and the public, not the police who enforce it. That's a very dangerous mindset. Police shouldn't blindly enforce laws they disagree with. EnragedSlith posted... but he put people in danger in the process People keep claiming this for some absurd reason. The person in danger was the suicidal man. First from himself, then from the other two cops who killed him <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:896004834] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>EnragedSlith posted...</cite> <quote>Youre making a moral argument where none pertains. Protocol and laws and morality are questioned and debated on by legislators and the public, not the police who enforce it. </quote> That's a very dangerous mindset. Police shouldn't blindly enforce laws they disagree with. <cite>EnragedSlith posted...</cite> <quote>but he put people in danger in the process</quote> People keep claiming this for some absurd reason. The person in danger was the suicidal man. First from himself, then from the other two cops who killed him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 12:21:44 PM #59:	EnragedSlith posted... Do people often get fired for first offenses in your world? 2 offenses, can you read? --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896005254] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>EnragedSlith posted...</cite> <quote>Do people often get fired for first offenses in your world?</quote> 2 offenses, can you read?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 12:53:10 PM #61:	shockthemonkey posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... EnragedSlith posted... Do people often get fired for first offenses in your world? 2 offenses, can you read? Which also were barely mentioned in his termination papers. Yeah and I need to rephrase my original as "2 alleged offenses" they seem to have only surfaced once this happened. If people can't see how shady this whole ordeal is, I don't know what to tell them - scapegoating at its finest. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896006964] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EnragedSlith posted...</cite> <quote>Do people often get fired for first offenses in your world?</quote> 2 offenses, can you read?</quote> Which also were barely mentioned in his termination papers.</quote> Yeah and I need to rephrase my original as "2 alleged offenses" they seem to have only surfaced once this happened. If people can't see how shady this whole ordeal is, I don't know what to tell them - scapegoating at its finest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/13/18 4:39:58 PM #62:	I just love how everyone these days that have zero training on the use of force continuum, is an expert about how it should have been applied in an emergency situation that they weren't involved personally. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:896021450] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote>I just love how everyone these days that have zero training on the use of force continuum, is an expert about how it should have been applied in an emergency situation that they weren't involved personally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sylverlolol 02/13/18 5:00:11 PM #63:	The Admiral posted... CookieMarvin posted... Im sorry that you dislike minorities to the point that youre ok with cops killing them for shits n giggles Ah, the old "I can't make an intelligent rebuttal, so you're a racist" routine. yawn But you are racist. 90% of this board frequently calls you out on your bigoted shit. I know you've been recently warned for it too. Who do you honestly think you're fooling here? --- This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. <cite>sylverlolol posted [p:896022710] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote>Im sorry that you dislike minorities to the point that youre ok with cops killing them for shits n giggles</quote> Ah, the old "I can't make an intelligent rebuttal, so you're a racist" routine. yawn</quote> But you are racist. 90% of this board frequently calls you out on your bigoted shit. I know you've been recently warned for it too. Who do you honestly think you're fooling here?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/14/18 8:05:51 AM #64:	Howl posted... I just love how everyone these days that have zero training on the use of force continuum, is an expert about how it should have been applied in an emergency situation that they weren't involved personally. Tell me what that has to do with this current thread? --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896059788] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>I just love how everyone these days that have zero training on the use of force continuum, is an expert about how it should have been applied in an emergency situation that they weren't involved personally.</quote> Tell me what that has to do with this current thread?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/14/18 8:18:21 AM #65:	Amazing how there's always a rush by the Admiral and others to tarnish people's character in stories like these. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:896060168] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote>Amazing how there's always a rush by the Admiral and others to tarnish people's character in stories like these.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/14/18 8:37:47 AM #66:	_OujiDoza_ posted... Howl posted... I just love how everyone these days that have zero training on the use of force continuum, is an expert about how it should have been applied in an emergency situation that they weren't involved personally. Tell me what that has to do with this current thread? People here defending the guy who got fired and acting like the guys who shot him are just trigger happy monsters. No one here knows whether they were justified in shooting him because they werent in that situation. Is it possible that they were trigger happy? Yes. But it is also possible that the cop who was fired simply didn't follow standard protocol at all in an emergency situation and froze like was stated. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:896060808] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> I just love how everyone these days that have zero training on the use of force continuum, is an expert about how it should have been applied in an emergency situation that they weren't involved personally.</quote> Tell me what that has to do with this current thread?</quote> People here defending the guy who got fired and acting like the guys who shot him are just trigger happy monsters. No one here knows whether they were justified in shooting him because they werent in that situation. Is it possible that they were trigger happy? Yes. But it is also possible that the cop who was fired simply didn't follow standard protocol at all in an emergency situation and froze like was stated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/14/18 9:02:36 AM #67:	The trained military vet didn't follow protocol...and froze? Hmmm Cop sympathizers are caught in a very odd paradox with this one, it seems... --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896061615] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote>The trained military vet didn't follow protocol...and froze? Hmmm Cop sympathizers are caught in a very odd paradox with this one, it seems...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 02/14/18 9:07:55 AM #68:	The Admiral posted... The left-leaning Guardian leaves out a fairly important piece of additional context City officials held a news conference shortly after the Post-Gazette story was published, saying the Williams shooting was not the only reason they fired Mader. A news release from the city described two other incidents that officials say led to Maders termination. One involved allegedly mishandling a death investigation by failing to determine that it was a homicide. The other involved allegedly searching a mans vehicle without probable cause or a search warrant and cursing at the mans wife. In the Williams shooting, officials said, Mader froze and did not communicate with the other officers at the scene. The legitimacy of those other claims is likely why the settlement amount is relatively low. This doesn't appear to be some one-off example of "heroic" restraint, but rather a continuation of not following protocol. Nevertheless, I don't mind him getting this money, but he's not cut out for law enforcement. This was addressed in the article? The city claims they settled because their insurance company said they ought to but stand by the decision. Sounds to me like they got roundly bitch-slapped by their own HR's poor decision to send a termination letter referencing a specific incident when they had larger cause to act. Regardless, it's a fair decision and he got the justice he deserved for the situation. His reasoning (that there is no reason a police officer who chooses to talk down a suspect instead of resorting to force should be fired) is sound. The police's job is to protect the interests of public safety and that includes people who would do harm to themselves. --- The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:896061810] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>The left-leaning Guardian leaves out a fairly important piece of additional context <quote>City officials held a news conference shortly after the Post-Gazette story was published, saying the Williams shooting was not the only reason they fired Mader. A news release from the city described two other incidents that officials say led to Maders termination. One involved allegedly mishandling a death investigation by failing to determine that it was a homicide. The other involved allegedly searching a mans vehicle without probable cause or a search warrant and cursing at the mans wife. In the Williams shooting, officials said, Mader froze and did not communicate with the other officers at the scene.</quote> The legitimacy of those other claims is likely why the settlement amount is relatively low. This doesn't appear to be some one-off example of "heroic" restraint, but rather a continuation of not following protocol. Nevertheless, I don't mind him getting this money, but he's not cut out for law enforcement.</quote> This was addressed in the article? The city claims they settled because their insurance company said they ought to but stand by the decision. Sounds to me like they got roundly bitch-slapped by their own HR's poor decision to send a termination letter referencing a specific incident when they had larger cause to act. Regardless, it's a fair decision and he got the justice he deserved for the situation. His reasoning (that there is no reason a police officer who chooses to talk down a suspect instead of resorting to force should be fired) is sound. The police's job is to protect the interests of public safety and that includes people who would do harm to themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 02/14/18 9:41:48 AM #69:	Howl posted... People here defending the guy who got fired and acting like the guys who shot him are just trigger happy monsters. No one here knows whether they were justified in shooting him because they werent in that situation. What I think is interesting is that the fired cop had the situation calm and was working on de-escalating and it sounds like pretty much from the moment the other cops got there, the situation escalated quickly and the guy ended up dead. Perhaps that says something about their tactics and "protocol"? --- https://i.imgur.com/PHWbltB.gifv <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:896063126] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>People here defending the guy who got fired and acting like the guys who shot him are just trigger happy monsters. No one here knows whether they were justified in shooting him because they werent in that situation.</quote> What I think is interesting is that the fired cop had the situation calm and was working on de-escalating and it sounds like pretty much from the moment the other cops got there, the situation escalated quickly and the guy ended up dead. Perhaps that says something about their tactics and "protocol"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 02/14/18 9:55:07 AM #70:	Twin3Turbo posted... Howl posted... People here defending the guy who got fired and acting like the guys who shot him are just trigger happy monsters. No one here knows whether they were justified in shooting him because they werent in that situation. What I think is interesting is that the fired cop had the situation calm and was working on de-escalating and it sounds like pretty much from the moment the other cops got there, the situation escalated quickly and the guy ended up dead. Perhaps that says something about their tactics and "protocol"? As pointed out earlier the man was suicidal and wanted the cops to kill him. One cop correctly assessed the situation and worked towards a non violent solution, the other cops rolled up and and were like "he waived a gun at us, blow him away boys." --- Oda break tracker 2018- 1 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:896063641] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>People here defending the guy who got fired and acting like the guys who shot him are just trigger happy monsters. No one here knows whether they were justified in shooting him because they werent in that situation.</quote> What I think is interesting is that the fired cop had the situation calm and was working on de-escalating and it sounds like pretty much from the moment the other cops got there, the situation escalated quickly and the guy ended up dead. Perhaps that says something about their tactics and "protocol"?</quote> As pointed out earlier the man was suicidal and wanted the cops to kill him. One cop correctly assessed the situation and worked towards a non violent solution, the other cops rolled up and and were like "he waived a gun at us, blow him away boys."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 02/14/18 9:56:15 AM #71:	Twin3Turbo posted... Howl posted... People here defending the guy who got fired and acting like the guys who shot him are just trigger happy monsters. No one here knows whether they were justified in shooting him because they werent in that situation. What I think is interesting is that the fired cop had the situation calm and was working on de-escalating and it sounds like pretty much from the moment the other cops got there, the situation escalated quickly and the guy ended up dead. Perhaps that says something about their tactics and "protocol"? That's his account, though. Maybe when the other officers arrived on the scene he lost control of the situation because the presence of the others spooked the suspect and he reacted negatively. Though that also speaks to weak training because there was no onsite coordination. The officers onsite didn't assess and defer correctly. There were still mistakes made regardless. --- The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:896063687] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>People here defending the guy who got fired and acting like the guys who shot him are just trigger happy monsters. No one here knows whether they were justified in shooting him because they werent in that situation.</quote> What I think is interesting is that the fired cop had the situation calm and was working on de-escalating and it sounds like pretty much from the moment the other cops got there, the situation escalated quickly and the guy ended up dead. Perhaps that says something about their tactics and "protocol"?</quote> That's his account, though. Maybe when the other officers arrived on the scene he lost control of the situation because the presence of the others spooked the suspect and he reacted negatively. Though that also speaks to weak training because there was no onsite coordination. The officers onsite didn't assess and defer correctly. There were still mistakes made regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NaNaYeeze 02/14/18 3:09:55 PM #73:	He shoulda been fired. He could have let his fellow men die because he's a coward D:< We need Police that can make split second decisions not wait around with their hands up their ass ^_^ CookieMarvin posted... The Admiral posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... GunmaN1905 posted... Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black? You didn't click the article I see - that is the header of it, so fuck off. You choosing a left-leaning source with a race baiting title doesn't absolve you. You could have picked a real source that didn't harp on his race in the title for shock value: http://wapo.st/2o2BHmW its generally advisable to leave race out of the title, but considering cops killing black men for no reason is virtually an epidemic in America, I reckon its probably pertinent. Saying that its race-baiting is just ignorant. Utterly lunacy made up by a perpetually self loathing community and fear mongering liberals. <3 --- What's new boss? <cite>NaNaYeeze posted [p:896081312] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote>He shoulda been fired. He could have let his fellow men die because he's a coward D:< We need Police that can make split second decisions not wait around with their hands up their ass ^_^ <cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote>Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black?</quote> You didn't click the article I see - that is the header of it, so fuck off.</quote> You choosing a left-leaning source with a race baiting title doesn't absolve you. You could have picked a real source that didn't harp on his race in the title for shock value: http://wapo.st/2o2BHmW</quote> its generally advisable to leave race out of the title, but considering cops killing black men for no reason is virtually an epidemic in America, I reckon its probably pertinent. Saying that its race-baiting is just ignorant.</quote> Utterly lunacy made up by a perpetually self loathing community and fear mongering liberals. <3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 02/15/18 11:40:47 AM #74:	Howl posted... I just love how everyone these days that have zero training on the use of force continuum, is an expert about how it should have been applied in an emergency situation that they weren't involved personally. I don't have to be trained on something to know when something is wrong. I couldn't tell you the first thing about making a table, but I know that if my table is wobbly then the carpenter fucked up somehow. <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:896133693] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>I just love how everyone these days that have zero training on the use of force continuum, is an expert about how it should have been applied in an emergency situation that they weren't involved personally.</quote> I don't have to be trained on something to know when something is wrong. I couldn't tell you the first thing about making a table, but I know that if my table is wobbly then the carpenter fucked up somehow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/15/18 3:25:38 PM #75:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... I just love how everyone these days that have zero training on the use of force continuum, is an expert about how it should have been applied in an emergency situation that they weren't involved personally. I don't have to be trained on something to know when something is wrong. I couldn't tell you the first thing about making a table, but I know that if my table is wobbly then the carpenter fucked up somehow. But in this instance you don't know that something was wrong at all, because you can't even watch the event. You have conflicting stories and nothing more to go on. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:896147242] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> I just love how everyone these days that have zero training on the use of force continuum, is an expert about how it should have been applied in an emergency situation that they weren't involved personally.</quote> I don't have to be trained on something to know when something is wrong. I couldn't tell you the first thing about making a table, but I know that if my table is wobbly then the carpenter fucked up somehow.</quote> But in this instance you don't know that something was wrong at all, because you can't even watch the event. You have conflicting stories and nothing more to go on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaffIeElite 02/15/18 3:26:58 PM #76:	Good on him. Oh, and fuck you Admiral, for being your typical shitbag self. --- I have a signature. Apparently this is important, but I still don't have my secret cool kid decoder ring yet. <cite>WaffIeElite posted [p:896147338] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote>Good on him. Oh, and fuck you Admiral, for being your typical shitbag self.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 02/15/18 4:39:09 PM #77:	Howl posted... But in this instance you don't know that something was wrong at all, because you can't even watch the event. You have conflicting stories and nothing more to go on. Killing people is bad. Not killing people is good. This guy got fired for not killing someone, while the cops who did kill him probably got paid vacations. What more info could I possibly need? <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:896151925] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>But in this instance you don't know that something was wrong at all, because you can't even watch the event. You have conflicting stories and nothing more to go on. </quote> Killing people is bad. Not killing people is good. This guy got fired for not killing someone, while the cops who did kill him probably got paid vacations. What more info could I possibly need?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/15/18 5:52:47 PM #78:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... But in this instance you don't know that something was wrong at all, because you can't even watch the event. You have conflicting stories and nothing more to go on. Killing people is bad. Not killing people is good. This guy got fired for not killing someone, while the cops who did kill him probably got paid vacations. What more info could I possibly need? The entire premise of your question is flawed. It's predicated on the notion that killing is always bad. However in situations such as these, killing can simply be neutral, and its neutrality is dependent upon the circumstances surrounding the justification of the killing. If the killing is determined to be justifiable, then there was no "good or bad." It's merely a question of whether proper protocol was followed or not, and without knowing relevant information from the incident, neither you or I can make that determination. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:896156243] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> But in this instance you don't know that something was wrong at all, because you can't even watch the event. You have conflicting stories and nothing more to go on. </quote> Killing people is bad. Not killing people is good. This guy got fired for not killing someone, while the cops who did kill him probably got paid vacations. What more info could I possibly need?</quote> The entire premise of your question is flawed. It's predicated on the notion that killing is always bad. However in situations such as these, killing can simply be neutral, and its neutrality is dependent upon the circumstances surrounding the justification of the killing. If the killing is determined to be justifiable, then there was no "good or bad." It's merely a question of whether proper protocol was followed or not, and without knowing relevant information from the incident, neither you or I can make that determination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 02/15/18 6:08:02 PM #79:	Howl posted... If the killing is determined to be justifiable, then there was no "good or bad." It's merely a question of whether proper protocol was followed or not, and without knowing relevant information from the incident, neither you or I can make that determination. This entirely depends on if you agree with the protocol in place. I don't. <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:896157067] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>If the killing is determined to be justifiable, then there was no "good or bad." It's merely a question of whether proper protocol was followed or not, and without knowing relevant information from the incident, neither you or I can make that determination.</quote> This entirely depends on if you agree with the protocol in place. I don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/15/18 9:33:53 PM #80:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... If the killing is determined to be justifiable, then there was no "good or bad." It's merely a question of whether proper protocol was followed or not, and without knowing relevant information from the incident, neither you or I can make that determination. This entirely depends on if you agree with the protocol in place. I don't. Once again, a person who has no training on the use of force continuum pretending to have an expert opinion on it. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:896167821] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> If the killing is determined to be justifiable, then there was no "good or bad." It's merely a question of whether proper protocol was followed or not, and without knowing relevant information from the incident, neither you or I can make that determination.</quote> This entirely depends on if you agree with the protocol in place. I don't.</quote> Once again, a person who has no training on the use of force continuum pretending to have an expert opinion on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 02/15/18 9:36:15 PM #81:	Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... If the killing is determined to be justifiable, then there was no "good or bad." It's merely a question of whether proper protocol was followed or not, and without knowing relevant information from the incident, neither you or I can make that determination. This entirely depends on if you agree with the protocol in place. I don't. Once again, a person who has no training on the use of force continuum pretending to have an expert opinion on it. Once again, I don't need training in something to know if something is horribly wrong. If you were served a bowl of soup that smelled and tasted like fecal matter and had flies in it, would you claim that you're not a trained chef so you can't know the proper soup making protocol? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:896167933] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> If the killing is determined to be justifiable, then there was no "good or bad." It's merely a question of whether proper protocol was followed or not, and without knowing relevant information from the incident, neither you or I can make that determination. </quote> This entirely depends on if you agree with the protocol in place. I don't.</quote> Once again, a person who has no training on the use of force continuum pretending to have an expert opinion on it.</quote> Once again, I don't need training in something to know if something is horribly wrong. If you were served a bowl of soup that smelled and tasted like fecal matter and had flies in it, would you claim that you're not a trained chef so you can't know the proper soup making protocol?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/15/18 9:38:20 PM #82:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... If the killing is determined to be justifiable, then there was no "good or bad." It's merely a question of whether proper protocol was followed or not, and without knowing relevant information from the incident, neither you or I can make that determination. This entirely depends on if you agree with the protocol in place. I don't. Once again, a person who has no training on the use of force continuum pretending to have an expert opinion on it. Once again, I don't need training in something to know if something is horribly wrong. If you were served a bowl of soup that smelled and tasted like fecal matter and had flies in it, would you claim that you're not a trained chef so you can't know the proper soup making protocol? Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:896168039] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> If the killing is determined to be justifiable, then there was no "good or bad." It's merely a question of whether proper protocol was followed or not, and without knowing relevant information from the incident, neither you or I can make that determination. </quote> This entirely depends on if you agree with the protocol in place. I don't. </quote> Once again, a person who has no training on the use of force continuum pretending to have an expert opinion on it. </quote> Once again, I don't need training in something to know if something is horribly wrong. If you were served a bowl of soup that smelled and tasted like fecal matter and had flies in it, would you claim that you're not a trained chef so you can't know the proper soup making protocol?</quote> Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 02/15/18 10:48:02 PM #83:	Howl posted... Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. Explain how my analogy is a failure <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:896171834] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. </quote> Explain how my analogy is a failure</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/16/18 12:01:17 AM #84:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. Explain how my analogy is a failure Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:896175543] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. </quote> Explain how my analogy is a failure</quote> Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 02/17/18 8:54:25 PM #85:	Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. Explain how my analogy is a failure Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it. I don't think it takes that much to tell that killing someone is bad. That's something we teach children in elementary school <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:896281523] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. </quote> Explain how my analogy is a failure</quote> Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it.</quote> I don't think it takes that much to tell that killing someone is bad. That's something we teach children in elementary school</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/17/18 9:24:53 PM #86:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. Explain how my analogy is a failure Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it. I don't think it takes that much to tell that killing someone is bad. That's something we teach children in elementary school I think it takes a lot considering the entirety of society has granted law enforcement the right to kill people in justifiable manners. But keep pretending all cops who kill people are bad. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:896283029] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. </quote> Explain how my analogy is a failure </quote> Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it. </quote> I don't think it takes that much to tell that killing someone is bad. That's something we teach children in elementary school</quote> I think it takes a lot considering the entirety of society has granted law enforcement the right to kill people in justifiable manners. But keep pretending all cops who kill people are bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 02/17/18 9:43:05 PM #87:	Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. Explain how my analogy is a failure Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it. I don't think it takes that much to tell that killing someone is bad. That's something we teach children in elementary school I think it takes a lot considering the entirety of society has granted law enforcement the right to kill people in justifiable manners. But keep pretending all cops who kill people are bad. Not all of them. Just the ones who kill those that aren't trying to kill them. Self defense is valid. Preemptive killing is not. <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:896284010] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. </quote> Explain how my analogy is a failure </quote> Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it. </quote> I don't think it takes that much to tell that killing someone is bad. That's something we teach children in elementary school</quote> I think it takes a lot considering the entirety of society has granted law enforcement the right to kill people in justifiable manners. But keep pretending all cops who kill people are bad.</quote> Not all of them. Just the ones who kill those that aren't trying to kill them. Self defense is valid. Preemptive killing is not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/18/18 2:44:56 PM #88:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. Explain how my analogy is a failure Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it. I don't think it takes that much to tell that killing someone is bad. That's something we teach children in elementary school I think it takes a lot considering the entirety of society has granted law enforcement the right to kill people in justifiable manners. But keep pretending all cops who kill people are bad. Not all of them. Just the ones who kill those that aren't trying to kill them. Self defense is valid. Preemptive killing is not. Lol a guy pointing a gun at a police officer or someone else and a cop shooting that person before that person has a chance to fire absolutely is valid. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:896319565] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. </quote> Explain how my analogy is a failure </quote> Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it. </quote> I don't think it takes that much to tell that killing someone is bad. That's something we teach children in elementary school </quote> I think it takes a lot considering the entirety of society has granted law enforcement the right to kill people in justifiable manners. But keep pretending all cops who kill people are bad.</quote> Not all of them. Just the ones who kill those that aren't trying to kill them. Self defense is valid. Preemptive killing is not.</quote> Lol a guy pointing a gun at a police officer or someone else and a cop shooting that person before that person has a chance to fire absolutely is valid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 02/18/18 4:15:36 PM #89:	He should have been awarded a trillion dollars --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:896324255] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote>He should have been awarded a trillion dollars</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 02/18/18 4:21:46 PM #90:	Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. Explain how my analogy is a failure Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it. I don't think it takes that much to tell that killing someone is bad. That's something we teach children in elementary school I think it takes a lot considering the entirety of society has granted law enforcement the right to kill people in justifiable manners. But keep pretending all cops who kill people are bad. Not all of them. Just the ones who kill those that aren't trying to kill them. Self defense is valid. Preemptive killing is not. Lol a guy pointing a gun at a police officer or someone else and a cop shooting that person before that person has a chance to fire absolutely is valid. Where in the article said he was pointing a gun at them? --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:896324555] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. </quote> Explain how my analogy is a failure </quote> Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it. </quote> I don't think it takes that much to tell that killing someone is bad. That's something we teach children in elementary school </quote> I think it takes a lot considering the entirety of society has granted law enforcement the right to kill people in justifiable manners. But keep pretending all cops who kill people are bad.</quote> Not all of them. Just the ones who kill those that aren't trying to kill them. Self defense is valid. Preemptive killing is not.</quote> Lol a guy pointing a gun at a police officer or someone else and a cop shooting that person before that person has a chance to fire absolutely is valid.</quote> Where in the article said he was pointing a gun at them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/18/18 5:54:38 PM #92:	ChainedRedone posted... Where in the article said he was pointing a gun at them? His argument in that post was just that pre emptive killing is not valid and my post was just a direct response to that post. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:896329437] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote> Where in the article said he was pointing a gun at them?</quote> His argument in that post was just that pre emptive killing is not valid and my post was just a direct response to that post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 02/18/18 9:48:49 PM #93:	Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. Explain how my analogy is a failure Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it. I don't think it takes that much to tell that killing someone is bad. That's something we teach children in elementary school I think it takes a lot considering the entirety of society has granted law enforcement the right to kill people in justifiable manners. But keep pretending all cops who kill people are bad. Not all of them. Just the ones who kill those that aren't trying to kill them. Self defense is valid. Preemptive killing is not. Lol a guy pointing a gun at a police officer or someone else and a cop shooting that person before that person has a chance to fire absolutely is valid. If a police officer approached my car pointing a gun at me, would you think it valid that I defend myself? Or do you think this only applies in reverse --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:896341519] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Lol, first attempt at making an analogy and failing miserably. Good try though with your utterly falacious comparison. </quote> Explain how my analogy is a failure </quote> Because knowing whether or not a soup is not supposed to have flys or fecal matter in it is a simple non-ambiguous issue. Knowing whether or not a police killing is justifiable is a complex issue that requires more than just a glance. Sometimes it requires literal teams of higly knowlegeable expert investigators years of debate and inquiry to reach a consensus about a particular incident, if one can even be reached at all. It takes no actual training to identify instantly that a bowl of soup isn't supposed to have flys in it. </quote> I don't think it takes that much to tell that killing someone is bad. That's something we teach children in elementary school </quote> I think it takes a lot considering the entirety of society has granted law enforcement the right to kill people in justifiable manners. But keep pretending all cops who kill people are bad. </quote> Not all of them. Just the ones who kill those that aren't trying to kill them. Self defense is valid. Preemptive killing is not.</quote> Lol a guy pointing a gun at a police officer or someone else and a cop shooting that person before that person has a chance to fire absolutely is valid.</quote> If a police officer approached my car pointing a gun at me, would you think it valid that I defend myself? Or do you think this only applies in reverse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/18/18 10:00:35 PM #94:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Lol a guy pointing a gun at a police officer or someone else and a cop shooting that person before that person has a chance to fire absolutely is valid. If a police officer approached my car pointing a gun at me, would you think it valid that I defend myself? Or do you think this only applies in reverse No, he probably thinks that cops have free reign on executing people. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:896342156] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>Lol a guy pointing a gun at a police officer or someone else and a cop shooting that person before that person has a chance to fire absolutely is valid.</quote> If a police officer approached my car pointing a gun at me, would you think it valid that I defend myself? Or do you think this only applies in reverse</quote> No, he probably thinks that cops have free reign on executing people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/18/18 11:08:18 PM #95:	Kineth posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Lol a guy pointing a gun at a police officer or someone else and a cop shooting that person before that person has a chance to fire absolutely is valid. If a police officer approached my car pointing a gun at me, would you think it valid that I defend myself? Or do you think this only applies in reverse No, he probably thinks that cops have free reign on executing people. Of couse it only applies in reverse. Society has granted cops authority to act in defense for themselves and to protect others. There's no logical reason for you to assume that a cop pointing a gun at you means he definitely intends to shoot you. Just that he is readying himself for the possibility of shooting you if he has to. The reverse is not true. A person who points a gun at a cop gives a cop a fully logical reason to assume that they intend to shoot them. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:896345776] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Lol a guy pointing a gun at a police officer or someone else and a cop shooting that person before that person has a chance to fire absolutely is valid. </quote> If a police officer approached my car pointing a gun at me, would you think it valid that I defend myself? Or do you think this only applies in reverse </quote> No, he probably thinks that cops have free reign on executing people.</quote> Of couse it only applies in reverse. Society has granted cops authority to act in defense for themselves and to protect others. There's no logical reason for you to assume that a cop pointing a gun at you means he definitely intends to shoot you. Just that he is readying himself for the possibility of shooting you if he has to. The reverse is not true. A person who points a gun at a cop gives a cop a fully logical reason to assume that they intend to shoot them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/19/18 12:27:26 AM #96:	Howl posted... There's no logical reason for you to assume that a cop pointing a gun at you means he definitely intends to shoot you. Uh, they've done it before. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:896349892] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>There's no logical reason for you to assume that a cop pointing a gun at you means he definitely intends to shoot you.</quote> Uh, they've done it before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 02/19/18 10:01:10 AM #97:	Howl posted... Kineth posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Howl posted... Lol a guy pointing a gun at a police officer or someone else and a cop shooting that person before that person has a chance to fire absolutely is valid. If a police officer approached my car pointing a gun at me, would you think it valid that I defend myself? Or do you think this only applies in reverse No, he probably thinks that cops have free reign on executing people. Of couse it only applies in reverse. Society has granted cops authority to act in defense for themselves and to protect others. There's no logical reason for you to assume that a cop pointing a gun at you means he definitely intends to shoot you. Just that he is readying himself for the possibility of shooting you if he has to. The reverse is not true. A person who points a gun at a cop gives a cop a fully logical reason to assume that they intend to shoot them. This would be true in a just world, but this is not a just world. Cops kill over a thousand people a year, while the amount of cops people kill is less than a tenth of that. If someone points a gun at me, I am not going to take the risk --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:896364864] in Police off... [t:76314377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Lol a guy pointing a gun at a police officer or someone else and a cop shooting that person before that person has a chance to fire absolutely is valid. </quote> If a police officer approached my car pointing a gun at me, would you think it valid that I defend myself? Or do you think this only applies in reverse </quote> No, he probably thinks that cops have free reign on executing people.</quote> Of couse it only applies in reverse. Society has granted cops authority to act in defense for themselves and to protect others. There's no logical reason for you to assume that a cop pointing a gun at you means he definitely intends to shoot you. Just that he is readying himself for the possibility of shooting you if he has to. The reverse is not true. A person who points a gun at a cop gives a cop a fully logical reason to assume that they intend to shoot them.</quote> This would be true in a just world, but this is not a just world. Cops kill over a thousand people a year, while the amount of cops people kill is less than a tenth of that. If someone points a gun at me, I am not going to take the risk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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