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_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 8:50:47 AM #1: |
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/12/stephen-mader-west-virginia-police-officer-settles-lawsuit?CMP=
A former police officer who alleged he was fired for not shooting a black suspect during a standoff has settled a wrongful termination suit with his former department for $175,000. Good on him - should have gotten more tbh. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime |Brian-Dawkins|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoubleDare 02/13/18 8:57:20 AM #2: |
All police officers should strive to be like this officer.
While there is scenerios they should shoot, it should only be an absolute last resort. --- On Your Mark...Get Set........GO!!!!!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GATTJT 02/13/18 8:59:55 AM #3: |
_OujiDoza_ posted...
But amid Maders attempts to convince Williams to drop the weapon, two veteran officers arrived on the scene and, almost immediately, shot and killed Williams. This is fucked up. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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luigi13579 02/13/18 9:00:13 AM #4: |
wtf i love cops now
But amid Maders attempts to convince Williams to drop the weapon, two veteran officers arrived on the scene and, almost immediately, shot and killed Williams. Oh. :( DoubleDare posted... All police officers should strive to be like this officer. Yep. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/13/18 9:02:58 AM #5: |
The left-leaning Guardian leaves out a fairly important piece of additional context
City officials held a news conference shortly after the Post-Gazette story was published, saying the Williams shooting was not the only reason they fired Mader. A news release from the city described two other incidents that officials say led to Maders termination. One involved allegedly mishandling a death investigation by failing to determine that it was a homicide. The other involved allegedly searching a mans vehicle without probable cause or a search warrant and cursing at the mans wife. In the Williams shooting, officials said, Mader froze and did not communicate with the other officers at the scene. The legitimacy of those other claims is likely why the settlement amount is relatively low. This doesn't appear to be some one-off example of "heroic" restraint, but rather a continuation of not following protocol. Nevertheless, I don't mind him getting this money, but he's not cut out for law enforcement. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turtlebread 02/13/18 9:07:06 AM #6: |
The Admiral posted...
Nevertheless, I don't mind him getting this money, but he's not cut out for law enforcement. this a real police officer shoots on sight --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/13/18 9:07:39 AM #7: |
Turtlebread posted...
The Admiral posted...Nevertheless, I don't mind him getting this money, but he's not cut out for law enforcement. A good police officer communicates the situation to other officers so he doesn't put them in danger. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 02/13/18 9:10:09 AM #8: |
The Admiral posted...
Turtlebread posted...The Admiral posted...Nevertheless, I don't mind him getting this money, but he's not cut out for law enforcement. I find it hard to believe he didn't say anything to the other officers who rolled up guns blazing. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 1 (1) | THE Ohio State: 11-2 | Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Howl 02/13/18 9:13:06 AM #9: |
The Admiral posted...
The left-leaning Guardian leaves out a fairly important piece of additional contextCity officials held a news conference shortly after the Post-Gazette story was published, saying the Williams shooting was not the only reason they fired Mader. A news release from the city described two other incidents that officials say led to Maders termination. One involved allegedly mishandling a death investigation by failing to determine that it was a homicide. The other involved allegedly searching a mans vehicle without probable cause or a search warrant and cursing at the mans wife. In the Williams shooting, officials said, Mader froze and did not communicate with the other officers at the scene. We can't have logical explanations to situations that don't support the narrative that cops are blood thirsty tyrants now though. That would just be inconvenient. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 9:15:43 AM #10: |
The Admiral posted...
The left-leaning Guardian leaves out a fairly important piece of additional contextCity officials held a news conference shortly after the Post-Gazette story was published, saying the Williams shooting was not the only reason they fired Mader. A news release from the city described two other incidents that officials say led to Maders termination. One involved allegedly mishandling a death investigation by failing to determine that it was a homicide. The other involved allegedly searching a mans vehicle without probable cause or a search warrant and cursing at the mans wife. In the Williams shooting, officials said, Mader froze and did not communicate with the other officers at the scene. The fact that he didn't get fired over the other two alleged incidents kinda lends to him being scape-goated for this one, but of course you would feel this guy isn't cut out for law enforcement when other shootings/incidents you sided 100% with law enforcement... --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime |Brian-Dawkins|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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luigi13579 02/13/18 9:16:40 AM #11: |
The Admiral posted...
The left-leaning Guardian leaves out a fairly important piece of additional context They touched on that, aside from the part saying he froze. The initial article had more info: Despite the fact that the termination letter focuses most of its attention on the decision not to shoot Williams, department officials subsequently told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette the incident was not a primary factor in his termination. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/10/rj-williams-shooting-stephen-mader-fired-lawsuit It's a bit of a "he said she said" type situation. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turtlebread 02/13/18 9:16:59 AM #12: |
what was the logical explanation for immediately shooting a suicidal dude I must have missed it
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_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 9:17:12 AM #13: |
Howl posted...
We can't have logical explanations to situations that don't support the narrative that cops are blood thirsty tyrants now though. That would just be inconvenient. You find that to be a logical explanation? If what he did previously is true he shouldn't have been on the force ages ago, but they sure as hell kept him - this is what they release him over? That's shady as fuck. But you go ahead and think it's logical... --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime |Brian-Dawkins|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NinjaBreakfast 02/13/18 9:18:11 AM #14: |
The Admiral posted...
The left-leaning Guardian leaves out a fairly important piece of additional contextCity officials held a news conference shortly after the Post-Gazette story was published, saying the Williams shooting was not the only reason they fired Mader. A news release from the city described two other incidents that officials say led to Maders termination. One involved allegedly mishandling a death investigation by failing to determine that it was a homicide. The other involved allegedly searching a mans vehicle without probable cause or a search warrant and cursing at the mans wife. In the Williams shooting, officials said, Mader froze and did not communicate with the other officers at the scene. Lol I love how you tried to frame this as a massive bunkerbuster of a point when it's...not? --- http://i.imgur.com/nGZeEqw.png Do you really think you can beat me? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sada_Pop 02/13/18 9:19:08 AM #15: |
Turtlebread posted...
what was the logical explanation for immediately shooting a suicidal dude I must have missed it Because... Protocol? --- People would have you believe that the accusation of racism is more offensive than ACTUAL racism. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/13/18 9:20:14 AM #16: |
Turtlebread posted...
what was the logical explanation for immediately shooting a suicidal dude I must have missed it The two cops who arrived later didn't know the man was likely suicidal, because the cop who was fired failed to communicate that critical piece of information. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scorpion41 02/13/18 9:25:38 AM #17: |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/12/an-officer-who-was-fired
Now according to this one posted by Antifar in another topic, Williams raised his weapon, which prompted the other officers to shoot. TCs article says they just rolled up and shot him. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 02/13/18 9:26:14 AM #18: |
Turtlebread posted...
what was the logical explanation for immediately shooting a suicidal dude I must have missed it From what I've gathered, the man was actually trying suicide by cop. This cop was talking him down, the others rolled in and granted the wish by shooting him down when he waved the gun in their direction. The good cop here, a former Marine vet, says it comes down to training. The military, believe it or not, has stricter rules of engagement in a war zone than US cops have on the streets here, thus are trained to assess situations and act on them in a far better manner. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 1 (1) | THE Ohio State: 11-2 | Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GunmaN1905 02/13/18 9:26:14 AM #19: |
Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black?
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Twin3Turbo 02/13/18 9:30:49 AM #20: |
The Admiral posted...
Turtlebread posted...what was the logical explanation for immediately shooting a suicidal dude I must have missed it It's not entirely clear but it kinda sounds like they rolled in there pretty quickly and shot the dude pretty quickly. If true, then he may not have necessarily had the time to do so. Also if true, it reflects worse on them, not him. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 02/13/18 9:37:02 AM #21: |
The Admiral posted...
Nevertheless, I don't mind him getting this money, but he's not cut out for law enforcement. BTW Addy you're completely backwards here. All these trigger happy cops are the ones not cut out for law enforcement. This man correctly assessed the situation and was almost successful deescalating it, we need more cops like him. He's also a former Marine, far more cut out for law enforcement than most. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 1 (1) | THE Ohio State: 11-2 | Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 10:02:03 AM #22: |
GunmaN1905 posted...
Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black? You didn't click the article I see - that is the header of it, so fuck off. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime |Brian-Dawkins|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/13/18 10:26:13 AM #23: |
_OujiDoza_ posted...
GunmaN1905 posted...Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black? You choosing a left-leaning source with a race baiting title doesn't absolve you. You could have picked a real source that didn't harp on his race in the title for shock value: http://wapo.st/2o2BHmW --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CookieMarvin 02/13/18 10:32:42 AM #24: |
The Admiral posted...
_OujiDoza_ posted...GunmaN1905 posted...Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black? its generally advisable to leave race out of the title, but considering cops killing black men for no reason is virtually an epidemic in America, I reckon its probably pertinent. Saying that its race-baiting is just ignorant. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ammonitida 02/13/18 10:35:24 AM #25: |
CookieMarvin posted...
The Admiral posted..._OujiDoza_ posted...GunmaN1905 posted...Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black? There's no such epidemic. Pure left-wing fantasy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/13/18 10:35:52 AM #26: |
CookieMarvin posted...
The Admiral posted..._OujiDoza_ posted...GunmaN1905 posted...Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black? It's always race baiting when race is unrelated to the story. Also, there is no epidemic of police killing specifically black people. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 02/13/18 10:36:23 AM #27: |
CookieMarvin posted...
its generally advisable to leave race out of the title, but considering cops killing black men for no reason is virtually an epidemic in America, I reckon its probably pertinent. Saying that its race-baiting is just ignorant. In this case there was a reason and it wasn't race, he wanted the cops to kill him and pointed a gun at them. He got his wish. It's a pretty sad state of affairs where "suicide by cop" is a very viable thing. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 1 (1) | THE Ohio State: 11-2 | Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CookieMarvin 02/13/18 10:36:55 AM #28: |
Ammonitida posted...
CookieMarvin posted...The Admiral posted..._OujiDoza_ posted...GunmaN1905 posted...Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black? *sigh* ok, buddy --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CookieMarvin 02/13/18 10:39:13 AM #29: |
The Admiral posted...
CookieMarvin posted...The Admiral posted..._OujiDoza_ posted...GunmaN1905 posted...Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black? thats one hell of a cop out --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/13/18 10:42:33 AM #30: |
CookieMarvin posted...
The Admiral posted...CookieMarvin posted...The Admiral posted..._OujiDoza_ posted...GunmaN1905 posted...Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black? I'm sorry if the facts don't support your feelings. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CookieMarvin 02/13/18 10:44:05 AM #31: |
Im sorry that you dislike minorities to the point that youre ok with cops killing them for shits n giggles
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Ammonitida 02/13/18 10:44:23 AM #32: |
CookieMarvin posted...
Ammonitida posted...CookieMarvin posted...The Admiral posted..._OujiDoza_ posted...GunmaN1905 posted...Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black? Poster thinks a handful of cherry-picked cases by the far left news media (many of which were justified if you bothered to closely examine the circumstances) constitutes an "epidemic". sigh ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/13/18 10:44:46 AM #33: |
CookieMarvin posted...
Im sorry that you dislike minorities to the point that youre ok with cops killing them for shits n giggles Ah, the old "I can't make an intelligent rebuttal, so you're a racist" routine. *yawn* --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CookieMarvin 02/13/18 10:46:41 AM #34: |
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NinjaBreakfast 02/13/18 10:47:33 AM #35: |
Ammonitida posted...
many of which were justified if you bothered to closely examine the circumstances Lol --- http://i.imgur.com/nGZeEqw.png Do you really think you can beat me? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ammonitida 02/13/18 10:49:08 AM #36: |
NinjaBreakfast posted...
Ammonitida posted...many of which were justified if you bothered to closely examine the circumstances Yep. https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/17/us/tulsa-police-shooting-trial/index.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/13/18 10:49:57 AM #37: |
CookieMarvin posted...
oh yeah, youre a real bastion of intellectualism lmfao You're certainly making the case for me. But just to interject some actual facts, the total number of unarmed black men killed by police in 2016 was... Ready for it.... Sixteen http://www.newsweek.com/police-killings-unarmed-black-men-538542 Yes, out of the tens of thousands of interactions police had with black people, 16 unarmed black men were killed over the span of an entire year. And this does not even mean those killings were unjustified, because often the suspect was assaulting the cop or trying to take his weapon. This is the epidemic you're so emotional about. For comparison, there are 16 homicides committed by black gang members every two days in the U.S. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CookieMarvin 02/13/18 10:50:59 AM #38: |
not even bothering to read that, werent you just complaining about cherry picking? then you come in with a single link?
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The Admiral 02/13/18 10:51:36 AM #39: |
CookieMarvin posted...
not even bothering to read that, werent you just complaining about cherry picking? then you come in with a single link? You're done, bro. Just take the L and stop humiliating yourself. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CookieMarvin 02/13/18 10:53:19 AM #40: |
ooh, throwing in gang violence statistics? thats totally not entirely transparent
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CookieMarvin 02/13/18 10:53:44 AM #41: |
The Admiral posted...
CookieMarvin posted...not even bothering to read that, werent you just complaining about cherry picking? then you come in with a single link? that post wasnt at you --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GunmaN1905 02/13/18 10:55:27 AM #42: |
_OujiDoza_ posted...
GunmaN1905 posted...Why excatly do you have to point out that suspect was black? I'm not an American and English isn't my first language, but from my understanding: suspect - An individual suspicious of doing some criminal activity. crime - an illegal action Therefore, unless there are US laws stating some crimes are specifically tied to a given race, black suspect in the title is just a typical clickbait. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ammonitida 02/13/18 10:55:59 AM #43: |
CookieMarvin posted...
not even bothering to read that, werent you just complaining about cherry picking? then you come in with a single link? I said many were justified, and I gave an example. Geez. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CookieMarvin 02/13/18 10:58:07 AM #44: |
Ammonitida posted...
CookieMarvin posted...not even bothering to read that, werent you just complaining about cherry picking? then you come in with a single link? lmao --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 10:58:25 AM #45: |
The Admiral posted...
CookieMarvin posted...not even bothering to read that, werent you just complaining about cherry picking? then you come in with a single link? You point out crimes committed by black people more than almost anyone on this site - you haven't given an L of any kind - you've only reinforced that you keep the "black stats" locked and loaded for your rebuttal whenever necessary. We know who you are at this point, man. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime |Brian-Dawkins|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 11:00:33 AM #46: |
GunmaN1905 posted...
Therefore, unless there are US laws stating some crimes are specifically tied to a given race, black suspect in the title is just a typical clickbait. English may not be your first language, but that has zero to do with why you're being slow right now. I.COPIED.AND.PASTED.THE.HEADER.OF.THE.ACTUAL.ARTICLE.I.LINKED. If the site itself is clickbait, that's their issue, not mine - it's not like I earn money from sharing the article, you bright shiny bulb. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime |Brian-Dawkins|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/13/18 11:01:35 AM #47: |
_OujiDoza_ posted...
The Admiral posted...CookieMarvin posted...not even bothering to read that, werent you just complaining about cherry picking? then you come in with a single link? Yep, Im the guy who uses facts to destroy your racial oppression narrative. Get used to it. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CookieMarvin 02/13/18 11:02:12 AM #48: |
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GunmaN1905 02/13/18 11:03:05 AM #49: |
_OujiDoza_ posted...
GunmaN1905 posted...Therefore, unless there are US laws stating some crimes are specifically tied to a given race, black suspect in the title is just a typical clickbait. It's still a clickbait, no need to get agitated. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 11:09:54 AM #50: |
GunmaN1905 posted...
_OujiDoza_ posted...GunmaN1905 posted...Therefore, unless there are US laws stating some crimes are specifically tied to a given race, black suspect in the title is just a typical clickbait. Grrrrroooooowwwwl --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime |Brian-Dawkins|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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