Current Events > Final Fantasy VII Remake: this is NOT what we asked for

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Lathissamus posted...

josifrees posted...

Lathissamus posted...

Spiritlittle posted...

Lathissamus posted...

josifrees posted...

Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit

"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."

Persona 5 says hi. It has universally been received as one of, if not, the best JRPG of all time and it sold like hot cakes in Japan and in the West.

An outlier in a sea of failed turn-based RPGs. But you can keep arguing over it if you want, you guys clearly know more than SquareEnix.

Someone proved my point wrong so Ill just call them dumb

Didn't call you dumb. Sounds like you're just reading it that way. Fact is, turn-based is outdated and DOESN'T sell. Persona 5 is a game that had garnered a lot of hype through its fanbase and released at a pretty good time. How does that equate to turn-based being a better option for FFVII's remake when action-RPGs CLEARLY sell better in today's market?

>turn base is out dated and doesn't sell
>just ignore that it sold a lot even though it's turnbased!

mandatory iq testing for CE access when?
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Ulyanyx posted...

Lathissamus posted...

josifrees posted...

Lathissamus posted...

Spiritlittle posted...

Lathissamus posted...

josifrees posted...

Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit

"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."

Persona 5 says hi. It has universally been received as one of, if not, the best JRPG of all time and it sold like hot cakes in Japan and in the West.

An outlier in a sea of failed turn-based RPGs. But you can keep arguing over it if you want, you guys clearly know more than SquareEnix.

Someone proved my point wrong so Ill just call them dumb

Didn't call you dumb. Sounds like you're just reading it that way. Fact is, turn-based is outdated and DOESN'T sell. Persona 5 is a game that had garnered a lot of hype through its fanbase and released at a pretty good time. How does that equate to turn-based being a better option for FFVII's remake when action-RPGs CLEARLY sell better in today's market?

>turn base is out dated and doesn't sell
>just ignore that it sold a lot even though it's turnbased!

mandatory iq testing for CE access when?

On average it does not sell. Persona is an outlier and DQ is one of the most legendary games in Japan. And even still, FFXV, which was action based, sold better than both.

I agree about the IQ testing, maybe then I wouldn't have to point out the obvious that action-RPGs clearly sell much better.
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Its official: turn based is the best type.
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at the end of it, all your spouting is your opinion that turn based isn't as good as action based or trying to act like sales of something mean something is good.

and i think you misunderstand a lot of points here; i think a lot of people come from the "i want to see it graphically enhanced, with additional content relating to all the spin offs if anything is added" school of thought, if it's action based and implemented well it could work, but if it's implemented poorly people will lambast squeenix because it wasn't close enough to the original.

who knows, it could have combat similar and slightly more complex than kingdom hearts. if it played like dmc i would literally buy a ps4 just for the game itself.

tbh though you should maybe simmer down, if people disagree with you and continue to do so, maybe realize constantly spouting about your opinons is derailing the topic. let this be a discussion of the game and mechanics themself, leave whatever might sell better to a different topic please.
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Ulyanyx posted...

at the end of it, all your spouting is your opinion that turn based isn't as good as action based or trying to act like sales of something mean something is good.

and i think you misunderstand a lot of points here; i think a lot of people come from the "i want to see it graphically enhanced, with additional content relating to all the spin offs if anything is added" school of thought, if it's action based and implemented well it could work, but if it's implemented poorly people will lambast squeenix because it wasn't close enough to the original.

who knows, it could have combat similar and slightly more complex than kingdom hearts. if it played like dmc i would literally buy a ps4 just for the game itself.

tbh though you should maybe simmer down, if people disagree with you and continue to do so, maybe realize constantly spouting about your opinons is derailing the topic. let this be a discussion of the game and mechanics themself, leave whatever might sell better to a different topic please.

Dear lord did you even read the whole topic? This started because he wants the game to flop BECAUSE it's an action-RPG. His whole point is an opinion.
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Lathissamus posted...

Ulyanyx posted...

at the end of it, all your spouting is your opinion that turn based isn't as good as action based or trying to act like sales of something mean something is good.

and i think you misunderstand a lot of points here; i think a lot of people come from the "i want to see it graphically enhanced, with additional content relating to all the spin offs if anything is added" school of thought, if it's action based and implemented well it could work, but if it's implemented poorly people will lambast squeenix because it wasn't close enough to the original.

who knows, it could have combat similar and slightly more complex than kingdom hearts. if it played like dmc i would literally buy a ps4 just for the game itself.

tbh though you should maybe simmer down, if people disagree with you and continue to do so, maybe realize constantly spouting about your opinons is derailing the topic. let this be a discussion of the game and mechanics themself, leave whatever might sell better to a different topic please.

Dear lord did you even read the whole topic? This started because he wants the game to flop BECAUSE it's an action-RPG. His whole point is an opinion.

Its a fact that people are furious about this bastardization of a classic.
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southcoast09 posted...

Lathissamus posted...

Ulyanyx posted...

at the end of it, all your spouting is your opinion that turn based isn't as good as action based or trying to act like sales of something mean something is good.

and i think you misunderstand a lot of points here; i think a lot of people come from the "i want to see it graphically enhanced, with additional content relating to all the spin offs if anything is added" school of thought, if it's action based and implemented well it could work, but if it's implemented poorly people will lambast squeenix because it wasn't close enough to the original.

who knows, it could have combat similar and slightly more complex than kingdom hearts. if it played like dmc i would literally buy a ps4 just for the game itself.

tbh though you should maybe simmer down, if people disagree with you and continue to do so, maybe realize constantly spouting about your opinons is derailing the topic. let this be a discussion of the game and mechanics themself, leave whatever might sell better to a different topic please.

Dear lord did you even read the whole topic? This started because he wants the game to flop BECAUSE it's an action-RPG. His whole point is an opinion.

Its a fact that people are furious about this bastardization of a classic.

That's an opinion.
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Actually its not. You can find people all over the Net who dont like whats going on with the sequel. Its a fact that certain people are unhappy.
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southcoast09 posted...

Actually its not. You can find people all over the Net who dont like whats going on with the sequel. Its a fact that certain people are unhappy.

Not that, the "bastardization of a classic" part. That is an opinion. There are a lot of people that will prefer the action-RPG combat.

Not that they can't screw it up. But to say immediately that's it's shit is ridiculous as yourself and all the other detractors haven't even played it.
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Its a crime to remake something like that. It goes without saying. SquareEnix should never redo a game squaresoft made.
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southcoast09 posted...

Its a crime to remake something like that. It goes without saying. SquareEnix should never redo a game squaresoft made.

That is an opinion. Also, a "remake" can have a new combat system. It's a "remake" not a "remaster."
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It isnt an opinion to say the game is a classic and that changing it is a bastardization
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josifrees posted...

It isnt an opinion to say the game is a classic and that changing it is a bastardization

Yes it is.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

As much as I loved Squares turn-based RPGs on the SNES and PS1, the fact is its largely an archaic and uninteresting way to present a battle system in the present day.

To justify the remake, they have to reasonably expect to be able to make money on it. If they kept the same battle system from the original, theres no way theyd even come close to breaking even. Theres little to no mainstream appeal in turn-based RPGs these days, and the FF7 Remake is shaping up to be a very expensive game.

Im fine with that, though. I can always revisit the PS1 original for a nice nostalgia trip, and Im cautiously optimistic that theyll come up with a serviceable action-based system.

Theyre going to make less money with this than turn-based lmao

Yeah I highly doubt that.
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Ffvii remake is going to be horrible. Fanboys will defend it. Watch it be like 25 hours.
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southcoast09 posted...

Ffvii remake is going to be horrible. Fanboys will defend it. Watch it be like 25 hours.

It's not how you want it to be so it's going to be horrible.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

As much as I loved Squares turn-based RPGs on the SNES and PS1, the fact is its largely an archaic and uninteresting way to present a battle system in the present day.

To justify the remake, they have to reasonably expect to be able to make money on it. If they kept the same battle system from the original, theres no way theyd even come close to breaking even. Theres little to no mainstream appeal in turn-based RPGs these days, and the FF7 Remake is shaping up to be a very expensive game.

Im fine with that, though. I can always revisit the PS1 original for a nice nostalgia trip, and Im cautiously optimistic that theyll come up with a serviceable action-based system.

Theyre going to make less money with this than turn-based lmao

Im not surprised youre laughably wrong here, just like every other time I see you post. Youre like the nutty uncle everyone has who just says wacky shit nonstop.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

As much as I loved Squares turn-based RPGs on the SNES and PS1, the fact is its largely an archaic and uninteresting way to present a battle system in the present day.

To justify the remake, they have to reasonably expect to be able to make money on it. If they kept the same battle system from the original, theres no way theyd even come close to breaking even. Theres little to no mainstream appeal in turn-based RPGs these days, and the FF7 Remake is shaping up to be a very expensive game.

Im fine with that, though. I can always revisit the PS1 original for a nice nostalgia trip, and Im cautiously optimistic that theyll come up with a serviceable action-based system.

Theyre going to make less money with this than turn-based lmao

Im not surprised youre laughably wrong here, just like every other time I see you post. Youre like the nutty uncle everyone has who just says wacky shit nonstop.

Hes right, though.
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southcoast09 posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

As much as I loved Squares turn-based RPGs on the SNES and PS1, the fact is its largely an archaic and uninteresting way to present a battle system in the present day.

To justify the remake, they have to reasonably expect to be able to make money on it. If they kept the same battle system from the original, theres no way theyd even come close to breaking even. Theres little to no mainstream appeal in turn-based RPGs these days, and the FF7 Remake is shaping up to be a very expensive game.

Im fine with that, though. I can always revisit the PS1 original for a nice nostalgia trip, and Im cautiously optimistic that theyll come up with a serviceable action-based system.

Theyre going to make less money with this than turn-based lmao

Im not surprised youre laughably wrong here, just like every other time I see you post. Youre like the nutty uncle everyone has who just says wacky shit nonstop.

Hes right, though.

The market and mainstream appeal of turn-based games is only a fraction of real-time systems these days. Theres no contest.

Thats all Im going to say on that. I know information and facts dont play any role in your beliefs, lolcoast. Youve made it quite clear how precarious your relationship with reality is when you constantly vomit out easily disproved garbage like Trump won over 50% of the popular vote!!
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JRPGs were once my favorite genre, but I've tried playing newer turn-based games in recent years, and I just have trouble getting into them. I've tried really hard to like Bravely Default and Persona, but it really feels unintentionally retro. The battles really slows things down, and the random battles messes up the flow of gameplay.

The combat in games has gotten complex and well-developed enough that we don't need this style anymore for triple-A games. And having more real time action elements doesn't dumb it down either. For games going for an old-school style, it's fine though, but leave turn-based battles with retro nostalgic titles
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southcoast09 posted...

Ffvii remake is going to be horrible. Fanboys will defend it. Watch it be like 25 hours.

I like how youve covered all your bases in one simple comment.

Itll be horrible and if anyone says anything good about it theyre a fanboy

Imagine being so ignorant you cant envision a world in which the game will be a success.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

southcoast09 posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

As much as I loved Squares turn-based RPGs on the SNES and PS1, the fact is its largely an archaic and uninteresting way to present a battle system in the present day.

To justify the remake, they have to reasonably expect to be able to make money on it. If they kept the same battle system from the original, theres no way theyd even come close to breaking even. Theres little to no mainstream appeal in turn-based RPGs these days, and the FF7 Remake is shaping up to be a very expensive game.

Im fine with that, though. I can always revisit the PS1 original for a nice nostalgia trip, and Im cautiously optimistic that theyll come up with a serviceable action-based system.

Theyre going to make less money with this than turn-based lmao

Im not surprised youre laughably wrong here, just like every other time I see you post. Youre like the nutty uncle everyone has who just says wacky shit nonstop.

Hes right, though.

The market and mainstream appeal of turn-based games is only a fraction of real-time systems these days. Theres no contest.

Thats all Im going to say on that. I know information and facts dont play any role in your beliefs, lolcoast. Youve made it quite clear how precarious your relationship with reality is when you constantly vomit out easily disproved garbage like Trump won over 50% of the popular vote!!

Here you go, bringing politics into a discussion about video games.
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Turn based is archaic and only appeals to 30+ year old nerds. This is why pokemon games have no mainstream appeal, sell like crap, and are hated by kids.
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You can play the original if you want the original.
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foreverzero212 posted...

Turn based is archaic and only appeals to 30+ year old nerds. This is why pokemon games have no mainstream appeal, sell like crap, and are hated by kids.

UltraSun and UltraMoon were soulless though, and I felt the boring tedium of turn-based combat about halfway into the game.

By the way, that series probably has other reasons for why it sells so well.

I honestly had no idea his topic would make people so mad.
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FFVII sucked from the day it was released
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Two of the JRPG franchises that sell the best are always turn-based: Dragon Quest and Pokemon.
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no new video ?

why are people answerin to this thread
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southcoast09 posted...

Guten_Tag posted...

did that come out already fam?

Not yet, but theyre very aggressive about how this game is NOT for the original fans. What a disgrace. This new generation of designers sucks. The square-Enix merger should never have happened. It created a power vacuum that caused the best minds at square to leave. Now we have these dipshit kids making poorly done action games.

Free market.
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To be honest Square is playing against their strengths like this.

Turn based means they could make every move its own cutscene. :p
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southcoast09 posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

The market and mainstream appeal of turn-based games is only a fraction of real-time systems these days. Theres no contest.

Thats all Im going to say on that. I know information and facts dont play any role in your beliefs, lolcoast. Youve made it quite clear how precarious your relationship with reality is when you constantly vomit out easily disproved garbage like Trump won over 50% of the popular vote!!

Here you go, bringing politics into a discussion about video games.

Im only bringing up the Trump statement to establish your complete disregard for facts. Its a perfectly valid thing to do to show your pattern of believing whatever suits you best regardless of reality, as you are doing again ITT.
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There are so many questions no one thought about when there werent enough bits for anyone to have fingers.