Current Events > Final Fantasy VII Remake: this is NOT what we asked for

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Lathissamus
02/09/18 3:25:47 AM
#52:


josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."
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creativerealms
02/09/18 3:29:44 AM
#53:


josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit

The Dragon Quest series being as good as always tells me Enix isn't destroyed.
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josifrees
02/09/18 3:30:39 AM
#54:


Lathissamus posted...
josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."


Oh noooo accountabilityyyyyyyyy not that!!!!!
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Lathissamus
02/09/18 3:33:08 AM
#55:


josifrees posted...
Lathissamus posted...
josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."


Oh noooo accountabilityyyyyyyyy not that!!!!!


Accountability for what? Making a game not exactly how you want it to be made? Is having an action battle system really enough to immediately make the game a pile of shit that needs to fail?
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0AbsoluteZero0
02/09/18 3:34:59 AM
#56:


josifrees posted...
Lathissamus posted...
josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."


Oh noooo accountabilityyyyyyyyy not that!!!!!

Accountability? SE is accountable to their shareholders and this is a huge project for them. As it is currently envisioned, the FF7 Remake may or may not be a success. Thats a lot better than the 100% guaranteed flop it would be if they kept the old battle system. They wouldnt even come close to breaking even.
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Lathissamus
02/09/18 3:37:58 AM
#57:


0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
josifrees posted...
Lathissamus posted...
josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."


Oh noooo accountabilityyyyyyyyy not that!!!!!

Accountability? SE is accountable to their shareholders and this is a huge project for them. As it is currently envisioned, the FF7 Remake may or may not be a success. Thats a lot better than the 100% guaranteed flop it would be if they kept the old battle system. They wouldnt even come close to breaking even.


But they need to be held accountable for not making it how I want it to be made. I'm not a developer or a publisher or anything, but I KNOW that this game NEEDS to be made this certain way or it NEEDS to fail so that way I can feel vindicated!!
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cjsdowg
02/09/18 3:42:46 AM
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I like how some people are suggesting to let the past di;Kill it if you have to. But these comments are about a old game being remade.
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josifrees
02/09/18 3:43:49 AM
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Why would it flop with a turn based system? People have been wanting the game remake for 20 fucking years and I didnt hear anyone complaining that it wasnt an action game when it came out.

And since turn based is sooooooo simple and they accountable to their shareholders maybe they should appease everyone and include both and let you choose which one you want to use
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josifrees
02/09/18 3:45:57 AM
#60:


Lathissamus posted...
0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
josifrees posted...
Lathissamus posted...
josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."


Oh noooo accountabilityyyyyyyyy not that!!!!!

Accountability? SE is accountable to their shareholders and this is a huge project for them. As it is currently envisioned, the FF7 Remake may or may not be a success. Thats a lot better than the 100% guaranteed flop it would be if they kept the old battle system. They wouldnt even come close to breaking even.


But they need to be held accountable for not making it how I want it to be made. I'm not a developer or a publisher or anything, but I KNOW that this game NEEDS to be made this certain way or it NEEDS to fail so that way I can feel vindicated!!


I really dont give two shits about it. Let them make it however they want its their shit. have fun playing your shitty game
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Lathissamus
02/09/18 3:47:28 AM
#61:


josifrees posted...
Lathissamus posted...
0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
josifrees posted...
Lathissamus posted...
josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."


Oh noooo accountabilityyyyyyyyy not that!!!!!

Accountability? SE is accountable to their shareholders and this is a huge project for them. As it is currently envisioned, the FF7 Remake may or may not be a success. Thats a lot better than the 100% guaranteed flop it would be if they kept the old battle system. They wouldnt even come close to breaking even.


But they need to be held accountable for not making it how I want it to be made. I'm not a developer or a publisher or anything, but I KNOW that this game NEEDS to be made this certain way or it NEEDS to fail so that way I can feel vindicated!!


I really dont give two shits about it. Let them make it however they want its their shit. have fun playing your shitty game


I will :)
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0AbsoluteZero0
02/09/18 3:50:23 AM
#62:


josifrees posted...
Why would it flop with a turn based system? People have been wanting the game remake for 20 fucking years and I didnt hear anyone complaining that it wasnt an action game when it came out.

And since turn based is sooooooo simple and they accountable to their shareholders maybe they should appease everyone and include both and let you choose which one you want to use

It would flop because turn-based RPGs are incredibly niche these days. There is no mainstream appeal to them any more. The system was fine in 1997, but gamers have vastly different expectations now.

The earlier games were largely turn-based out of necessity, since real time systems are quite a bit more complex and require more computing power. It would be nice if they could find a way to let you choose between the classic battle system and the new one like you said, but I doubt theres enough people who care about having the old system included to justify the extra development costs.
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josifrees
02/09/18 4:00:28 AM
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Didnt Persona 5 do pretty well and also turn based?

Im also curious how well the player retention was with FFXV outside the niche??
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Monolith1676
02/09/18 4:13:03 AM
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You didn't want FFVII to be a cover based shooter?
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Spiritlittle
02/09/18 4:14:51 AM
#65:


RedWhiteBlue posted...
turn-based suck, lack of depth.

Did you play Persona 5? It is the best JRPG ever made and it has amazing turn-based combat.
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Spiritlittle
02/09/18 4:16:39 AM
#66:


Lathissamus posted...
josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."

Persona 5 says hi. It has universally been received as one of, if not, the best JRPG of all time and it sold like hot cakes in Japan and in the West.
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Lathissamus
02/09/18 4:29:47 AM
#67:


Spiritlittle posted...
Lathissamus posted...
josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."

Persona 5 says hi. It has universally been received as one of, if not, the best JRPG of all time and it sold like hot cakes in Japan and in the West.


An outlier in a sea of failed turn-based RPGs. But you can keep arguing over it if you want, you guys clearly know more than SquareEnix.
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josifrees
02/09/18 4:31:53 AM
#68:


Lathissamus posted...
Spiritlittle posted...
Lathissamus posted...
josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."

Persona 5 says hi. It has universally been received as one of, if not, the best JRPG of all time and it sold like hot cakes in Japan and in the West.


An outlier in a sea of failed turn-based RPGs. But you can keep arguing over it if you want, you guys clearly know more than SquareEnix.


Someone proved my point wrong so Ill just call them dumb
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Lathissamus
02/09/18 4:36:33 AM
#69:


josifrees posted...
Lathissamus posted...
Spiritlittle posted...
Lathissamus posted...
josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."

Persona 5 says hi. It has universally been received as one of, if not, the best JRPG of all time and it sold like hot cakes in Japan and in the West.


An outlier in a sea of failed turn-based RPGs. But you can keep arguing over it if you want, you guys clearly know more than SquareEnix.


Someone proved my point wrong so Ill just call them dumb


Didn't call you dumb. Sounds like you're just reading it that way. Fact is, turn-based is outdated and DOESN'T sell. Persona 5 is a game that had garnered a lot of hype through its fanbase and released at a pretty good time. How does that equate to turn-based being a better option for FFVII's remake when action-RPGs CLEARLY sell better in today's market?
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0AbsoluteZero0
02/09/18 4:38:57 AM
#70:


Spiritlittle posted...
Lathissamus posted...
josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."

Persona 5 says hi. It has universally been received as one of, if not, the best JRPG of all time and it sold like hot cakes in Japan and in the West.

While P5 did well, I wouldnt exactly say it sold like hot cakes. Its sold 2 million worldwide with all of its critical acclaim. FFXV, on the other hand, sold close to 7 million with mediocre reviews. Thats over three times as many as P5, and P5 was an outlier as far as turn-based JRPGs go, as Lathissamus noted.

Its pretty clear that theres not a big market for turn-based JRPGs any more.
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jumi
02/09/18 4:41:50 AM
#71:


"But turn-based doesn't sell!"

That's funny. Dragon Quest has always been turn-based, and it sells like chocolate-covered crack.

Slime is SquareEnix's mascot, not fucking chocobo. Nothing wrong with turn-based.
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JE19426
02/09/18 4:50:18 AM
#72:


Lathissamus posted...
Fact is, turn-based is outdated and DOESN'T sell.


Clearly it does. Or DQ11 wouldn't of sold well, nor would P5 or DQ8 remake. Also no doubt the Legend of Heroes games would of dropped turn based if it wasn't successful.
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josifrees
02/09/18 4:51:45 AM
#73:


0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
Spiritlittle posted...
Lathissamus posted...
josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit


"I want a game to flop and developers to maybe lose their jobs and a lot of money because I'm a salty fanboy for the old days of flawed turn-based JRPGs and can't adapt to change."

Persona 5 says hi. It has universally been received as one of, if not, the best JRPG of all time and it sold like hot cakes in Japan and in the West.

While P5 did well, I wouldnt exactly say it sold like hot cakes. Its sold 2 million worldwide with all of its critical acclaim. FFXV, on the other hand, sold close to 7 million with mediocre reviews. Thats over three times as many as P5, and P5 was an outlier as far as turn-based JRPGs go, as Lathissamus noted.

Its pretty clear that theres not a big market for turn-based JRPGs any more.


There isnt a big market for any JRPGs not named Final Fantasy in America is a more accurate statement. Comparing P5 to FF is foolish because of popularity disparity to begin with
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SGT_Conti
02/09/18 4:53:05 AM
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I can't believe I still remember that people mocked Final Fantasy for years for not straying from a turn-based formula. It's weird to see how, now that they finally shifted from it, how many people are clamouring for it back.
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SwayM
02/09/18 5:20:03 AM
#75:


I dont want midgar, or one of the thousand iconic FF7 locals to just be a backdrop for a battle to take place in.

I want full control of my character in the environment.

People look back at turn based combat in Final Fantasy with nostalgia goggles. How strategic did it ever get? You call action combat button mashing yet how many times did you spam the button to select attack after yet another boring random encounter? You dont ever bother to use magic or summons because it was too pointless and drawn out for the trash mobs you fought.

Id rather be constantly engaged in battle, worrying about positioning and timing. Then you give me magic and summons on top of that? Why have turn based when you literally have all the same options and be able to move, dodge and attack as you like.
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jumi
02/09/18 5:22:20 AM
#76:


SwayM posted...
I dont want midgar, or one of the thousand iconic FF7 locals to just be a backdrop for a battle to take place in.

I want full control of my character in the environment.

People look back at turn based combat in Final Fantasy with nostalgia goggles. How strategic did it ever get? You call action combat button mashing yet how many times did you spam the button to select attack after yet another boring random encounter? You dont ever bother to use magic or summons because it was too pointless and drawn out for the trash mobs you fought.

Id rather be constantly engaged in battle, worrying about positioning and timing. Then you give me magic and summons on top of that? Why have turn based when you literally have all the same options and be able to move, dodge and attack as you like.


Play a Dragon Quest game and tell me there's no strategy involved. Mash the action button and see how far you get.
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Illuminoius
02/09/18 5:22:34 AM
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i'd be fine with an rpg being turn-based if it at least had depth or actually punishing encounters
the average rpg is piss-fucking-easy and the combat is a constant drag
there's other rpgs that require your constant attention due to the "strategy" required but are so tedious and lacking in variety that they're arguably even worse than a mindless rpg because it's constantly draining on you
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Lathissamus
02/09/18 5:25:13 AM
#78:


jumi posted...
SwayM posted...
I dont want midgar, or one of the thousand iconic FF7 locals to just be a backdrop for a battle to take place in.

I want full control of my character in the environment.

People look back at turn based combat in Final Fantasy with nostalgia goggles. How strategic did it ever get? You call action combat button mashing yet how many times did you spam the button to select attack after yet another boring random encounter? You dont ever bother to use magic or summons because it was too pointless and drawn out for the trash mobs you fought.

Id rather be constantly engaged in battle, worrying about positioning and timing. Then you give me magic and summons on top of that? Why have turn based when you literally have all the same options and be able to move, dodge and attack as you like.


Play a Dragon Quest game and tell me there's no strategy involved. Mash the action button and see how far you get.


That's funny that you're telling someone to give a turn-based system a shot right after you said "fuck action battles."
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Yomi
02/09/18 5:33:19 AM
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As someone who never played FFVII, I'm excited for this remake X)
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SwayM
02/09/18 5:34:32 AM
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I I try to be pretty open minded but I just cant relate to the turn based fanatics. We have the technology to realize these worlds, characters and battles, and you would rather just Look at them then engage in them.

I mean thats the biggest dealbreaker about turn based for me. We got one turn based FF7, we got to see what that feels like. How much better is that really going to be with todays technology? There are prettier sprites and backgrounds for you to stare at while select an action from a menu and you watch cool things happen on screen?

Id actually like to take part in performing the cool shit on screen, interacting with the environment and getting fully immersed into the world. We have the technology for that these days. I would hate to see it wasted with archaic gameplay.
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jumi
02/09/18 5:35:47 AM
#81:


Lathissamus posted...
jumi posted...
SwayM posted...
I dont want midgar, or one of the thousand iconic FF7 locals to just be a backdrop for a battle to take place in.

I want full control of my character in the environment.

People look back at turn based combat in Final Fantasy with nostalgia goggles. How strategic did it ever get? You call action combat button mashing yet how many times did you spam the button to select attack after yet another boring random encounter? You dont ever bother to use magic or summons because it was too pointless and drawn out for the trash mobs you fought.

Id rather be constantly engaged in battle, worrying about positioning and timing. Then you give me magic and summons on top of that? Why have turn based when you literally have all the same options and be able to move, dodge and attack as you like.


Play a Dragon Quest game and tell me there's no strategy involved. Mash the action button and see how far you get.


That's funny that you're telling someone to give a turn-based system a shot right after you said "fuck action battles."


What are you talking about? I like turn-based. I dislike action (at least of the FFXV or Type-0 variety). I like Dragon Quest, and I dislike what FF has become. What's the issue?
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D-Lo_BrownTown
02/09/18 5:47:56 AM
#82:


"All we wanted was Final Fantasy VII with better graphics"

*points out PC version with mods*

"No, not that!"
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AuraBlaze1
02/09/18 5:55:11 AM
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I'd love it if they took some pointers from Divinity: Original Sin 1&2, where there are a variety of builds and and tactical decisions you can make.
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Foppe
02/09/18 6:36:13 AM
#85:


Final Fantasy VII is such a golden calf so people will hate Square no matter what they do with it.
They changed something? THEY CHANGED IT, NOW IT SUCKS!!!
They didnt change something? IT IS A QUICK CASHIN, THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US MORE!!!
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CyricZ
02/09/18 6:48:16 AM
#86:


Three years since the announcement and next to nothing in terms of info.

Anyone with greater emotions than "vague interest" regarding this ghost of a project has attached way too much of their lives to it.

Foppe posted...
Final Fantasy VII is such a golden calf so people will hate Square no matter what they do with it.

Exactly the point. This very topic proves that everyone who "knows what fans want" all actually want different things for themselves. S-E would be doing the smart thing by saying "screw those fans" and doing something to try to attract a new generation.
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cjsdowg
02/09/18 6:48:54 AM
#87:


Foppe posted...
IT IS A QUICK CASHIN, THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US MORE!!!


No onewill be saying that.
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Foppe
02/09/18 6:50:14 AM
#88:


cjsdowg posted...
Foppe posted...
IT IS A QUICK CASHIN, THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US MORE!!!


No onewill be saying that.

Thats exactly what they said when they ported the Steam port to consoles.
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VerisimiIitude
02/09/18 6:52:23 AM
#89:


People wanting strategy in the remake are going to be disappointed in how little strategy was involved in the original game.
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SuperShake666
02/09/18 7:12:20 AM
#90:


Combat looks KH-style, and that totally doesn't have strategy to its combat. Nope, no ability combos with timing and you can just totally smack enemies without anything else.

Good lord.
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l Dudeboy l
02/09/18 7:17:35 AM
#91:


Whenever I talk about games I like to pretend I speak for everyone, and that every developer should be catering specifically to what I like.
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COVxy
02/09/18 7:18:44 AM
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Idk why people are pretending like action rpg's are just the technological advance of turn based rpg's. Both have existed since like the nes days lmao.
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dirtycommunist
02/09/18 8:02:35 AM
#93:


I never wanted a remake. I'm perfectly content to replay the original every few years when the urge arises.

So now I'm a tiny bit amused that people are now getting something very different from what they wanted.
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southcoast09
02/09/18 2:07:46 PM
#94:


josifrees posted...
Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit

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FaytlessHearts
02/09/18 2:12:18 PM
#95:


I agree with TC. Ff7 sucked before, falling on the lowest tier in the franchise imo, but the remake looks to be lol worthy.
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TheCyborgNinja
02/09/18 2:24:05 PM
#96:


RedWhiteBlue posted...
turn-based suck, lack of depth.

Because everyone thinks XCOM 2 and SP: The Fractured but Whole sucked. Oh, and the original FF7 is deemed unplayable.
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IngSlayer
02/09/18 4:03:11 PM
#97:


I agree with SwayM about turn based RPGs.
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BlueBoy675
02/09/18 4:07:43 PM
#98:


Foppe posted...
cjsdowg posted...
Foppe posted...
IT IS A QUICK CASHIN, THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US MORE!!!


No onewill be saying that.

Thats exactly what they said when they ported the Steam port to consoles.

That's more because that was a lazy port with a lot of technical hiccups
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SavenForever
02/09/18 4:12:01 PM
#99:


This is topical.
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southcoast09
02/09/18 10:28:06 PM
#100:


Bump for the outrage we should all be feeling right now.
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Lathissamus
02/09/18 10:41:44 PM
#101:


southcoast09 posted...
Bump for the outrage we should all be feeling right now.


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