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UnfairRepresent
02/07/18 7:22:20 PM
#51:


Chicken posted...
Number39 posted...
i hear stories like this every couple of years

"oh cell was supposed to be the last saga"
"oh androids were supposed to be the last saga"
"oh frieza was supposed to be the last saga"

next thing you know people are gonna be saying the series was supposed to end at Vegeta

DBZ was supposed to end at the farmer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdL0pxfqVGE

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jumi
02/07/18 7:37:41 PM
#52:


VTBM posted...
Doe posted...
I believe Cell was supposed to be last considering Goku dies again and Hogan inherits his position more or less


https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3302623.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Hulk-Hogan-WWE.jpg


WHEN IT COMES CRASHING DOWN AND IT HURTS INSIDE
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Skye Reynolds
02/07/18 7:41:46 PM
#53:


NeonOctopus posted...
Originally it was supposed to be just Android 19 and 20. But the editor was like "so the villains are an old man and some fat fuck? Get the fuck back in there and fix that shit!"

So then he made Android 17 and 18. Then the editor was like "so now the villains are just 2 normal peeps? Nah brah. Ain't happening."

So then he made Cell and then the editor was like "that's better, but that locust monster is kinda gross. Can you make him handsomer? >_>" Yes, that's the real reason lol

So then finally he made Perfect Cell. And all was right in the world.


Why do I get the feeling this guy was okay with all of these decisions and just wanted to see the arc dragged out as long as possible?

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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/07/18 7:47:42 PM
#54:


Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
Zikten posted...
I'm having trouble picturing how the final battle would go if it was just those 2. They don't come off as being capable of inspiring an epic climactic struggle

OnOy8t1


I legit lol'd
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mcpwnia
02/07/18 7:52:30 PM
#55:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Link HT posted...
mcpwnia posted...
I've always wanted to see Raditz come back and be a good guy or something >_>

raditz really was a throwaway character, no idea why they made him goku's brother

It is crazy how little he does

Yeah. They wasted a good idea
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Crazyman93
02/07/18 7:58:48 PM
#56:


Doe posted...
I believe Cell was supposed to be last considering Goku dies again and Hogan inherits his position more or less

Turn off your auto correct.
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Jiggy101011
02/07/18 7:59:37 PM
#57:


I liked kid buu
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EverDownward
02/07/18 8:03:35 PM
#58:


NeonOctopus posted...
Originally it was supposed to be just Android 19 and 20. But the editor was like "so the villains are an old man and some fat fuck? Get the fuck back in there and fix that shit!"

So then he made Android 17 and 18. Then the editor was like "so now the villains are just 2 normal peeps? Nah brah. Ain't happening."

So then he made Cell and then the editor was like "that's better, but that locust monster is kinda gross. Can you make him handsomer? >_>" Yes, that's the real reason lol

So then finally he made Perfect Cell. And all was right in the world.

Someone has made this topic with this EXACT OP before. Was it you, TC?
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EverDownward
02/07/18 8:04:54 PM
#59:


Doe posted...
I believe Cell was supposed to be last considering Goku dies again and Hogan inherits his position more or less

I would absolutely okay with this
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Crazyman93
02/07/18 8:08:14 PM
#60:


Also, I'm pretty sure the Cell being the last Saga rumor has some Truth to it. Buu is widely considered bad.
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DK9292
02/07/18 8:10:00 PM
#61:


Crazyman93 posted...
Also, I'm pretty sure the Cell being the last Saga rumor has some Truth to it. Buu is widely considered bad.

Different editors is all. As stated, the Android Saga's editor was very difficult to please, while Buu Saga editor was more relaxed and hands-off.
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Behaviorism
02/07/18 8:11:36 PM
#62:


So the editor determines everything. If you had the money, could you just own your own company and do what you want?
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Crazyman93
02/07/18 8:13:06 PM
#63:


DK9292 posted...
Crazyman93 posted...
Also, I'm pretty sure the Cell being the last Saga rumor has some Truth to it. Buu is widely considered bad.

Different editors is all. As stated, the Android Saga's editor was very difficult to please, while Buu Saga editor was more relaxed and hands-off.

That doesn't say much for Toriyama's writing skills.
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DK9292
02/07/18 8:14:16 PM
#64:


Crazyman93 posted...
DK9292 posted...
Crazyman93 posted...
Also, I'm pretty sure the Cell being the last Saga rumor has some Truth to it. Buu is widely considered bad.

Different editors is all. As stated, the Android Saga's editor was very difficult to please, while Buu Saga editor was more relaxed and hands-off.

That doesn't say much for Toriyama's writing skills.

Welcome to the DBZ fandom.
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Funkydog
02/07/18 8:14:52 PM
#65:


Crazyman93 posted...
That doesn't say much for Toriyama's writing skills.

Everyone knows his actual ability to write a story is pretty shit.
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St0rmFury
02/07/18 8:15:31 PM
#66:


Then what the hell inspired Android 16?
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Skye Reynolds
02/07/18 8:16:54 PM
#67:


That's part of the charm of DBZ. As an 11 year old, I knew the writing wasn't good. But there's just this unfiltered imaginative quality about it that makes it endearing.
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xxdudeyy
02/07/18 8:16:58 PM
#68:


Just shows Toriyama doesn't have complete control over Dragon ball at all.
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Crazyman93
02/07/18 8:19:36 PM
#69:


Funkydog posted...
Crazyman93 posted...
That doesn't say much for Toriyama's writing skills.

Everyone knows his actual ability to write a story is pretty shit.

Characters aren't really a strong suit either judging by Super... *glares at Jaco's existence*
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Skye Reynolds
02/07/18 8:20:55 PM
#70:


xxdudeyy posted...
Just shows Toriyama doesn't have complete control over Dragon ball at all.


Few writers do.
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jblrulez
02/07/18 8:22:30 PM
#71:


UnfairRepresent posted...
He also once made a comic about a female superhero who got brutally raped every time she tried to stop crimes.

In the end the rapes made her quit being a hero and instead she became a hooker.

Toryama is a weird man.


Nah, its just a Japanese guy being, well... Japanese.
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goodJT
02/07/18 8:24:32 PM
#72:


UnfairRepresent posted...
DemonBuffet posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
He also once made a comic about a female superhero who got brutally raped every time she tried to stop crimes.

In the end the rapes made her quit being a hero and instead she became a hooker.

Toryama is a weird man.

Is this real lol. Proof? >_>

Yes it's real

Can't post it because it's not TOU friendly for obvious reasons.

PM?
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St0rmFury
02/07/18 8:34:34 PM
#74:


OK I just read Red Lady, it's actually rather tame lol.
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NeonOctopus
02/07/18 8:35:11 PM
#75:


St0rmFury posted...
OK I just read Red Lady, it's actually rather tame lol.

Elaborate?
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soulunison2
02/07/18 8:41:52 PM
#76:


NeonOctopus posted...
St0rmFury posted...
OK I just read Red Lady, it's actually rather tame lol.

Elaborate?


Its six pages long

No nudity

World martial arts announcer is a rapist
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I4NRulez
02/07/18 8:45:53 PM
#77:


Good, cause Perfect Cell was awesome
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St0rmFury
02/07/18 8:48:35 PM
#78:


NeonOctopus posted...
St0rmFury posted...
OK I just read Red Lady, it's actually rather tame lol.

Elaborate?

Broke lady decided to become a part time crime fighter to earn some side income. After attempting to fight crime with 0 crime fighting skills and ended up getting raped (the criminal paid her for some reason), she decided it's easier to just prostitute herself.
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mehmeh1
02/07/18 8:49:22 PM
#79:


btw, I think in the manga trunks tells goku that the androids he fought were 19 and 20 when explaining why he came to the past. Plot hole?
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NeonOctopus
02/07/18 8:51:27 PM
#80:


mehmeh1 posted...
btw, I think in the manga trunks tells goku that the androids he fought were 19 and 20 when explaining why he came to the past. Plot hole?

I remember he explicitly says in the anime that 19 and 20 weren't the androids and had no fucking clue who they were.
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DK9292
02/07/18 8:56:10 PM
#81:


NeonOctopus posted...
mehmeh1 posted...
btw, I think in the manga trunks tells goku that the androids he fought were 19 and 20 when explaining why he came to the past. Plot hole?

I remember he explicitly says in the anime that 19 and 20 weren't the androids and had no fucking clue who they were.

5Mdh3y6
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Ivynn
02/07/18 8:56:32 PM
#82:


Sami1000 posted...
DK9292 posted...
We know this.


I didn't.

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St0rmFury
02/07/18 9:03:25 PM
#83:


DK9292 posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
mehmeh1 posted...
btw, I think in the manga trunks tells goku that the androids he fought were 19 and 20 when explaining why he came to the past. Plot hole?

I remember he explicitly says in the anime that 19 and 20 weren't the androids and had no fucking clue who they were.

5Mdh3y6

Strange, in my native language translated version, Trunks also has no idea who 19 & 20 were.
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I4NRulez
02/07/18 9:17:20 PM
#84:


DK9292 posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
mehmeh1 posted...
btw, I think in the manga trunks tells goku that the androids he fought were 19 and 20 when explaining why he came to the past. Plot hole?

I remember he explicitly says in the anime that 19 and 20 weren't the androids and had no fucking clue who they were.

5Mdh3y6


that doesnt even make sense lol. Isnt Gero 20? How the fuck did he kill himself lol
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St0rmFury
02/07/18 9:18:33 PM
#85:


Obviously it was a smoke screen by Gero.
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DK9292
02/07/18 9:22:46 PM
#86:


Ladies and gentleman, a retcon in action:
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Doe
02/07/18 11:12:38 PM
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goodJT
02/08/18 2:27:31 AM
#89:


DK9292 posted...
Ladies and gentleman, a retcon in action:
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Cb5PVSq

OK..... The hell?
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Game_Fan09
02/08/18 2:29:50 AM
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Got any other DBZ fun facts?
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Ricemills
02/08/18 2:46:18 AM
#91:


UnfairRepresent posted...
DemonBuffet posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
He also once made a comic about a female superhero who got brutally raped every time she tried to stop crimes.

In the end the rapes made her quit being a hero and instead she became a hooker.

Toryama is a weird man.

Is this real lol. Proof? >_>

Yes it's real

Can't post it because it's not TOU friendly for obvious reasons.


i posted that a year ago in anime board and it didnt get modded. but the mods these days are hyper sensitive, so maybe youre right.

anyway, the title is Lady Red by Akira Toriyama.
it's not as bad as it sounds because it's a crude 80's humor. still bad for today's standards tho.
basically just an office lady got sick of low wage job and changed profession into wannabe superhero for fame. the criminals she tried to stop thought she was a cosplaying prostitute, and pay her after he was done raping her. then after she saw how much money she get, she decides to become a hooker.
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LArcEnCieIX
02/08/18 3:12:57 AM
#92:


UnfairRepresent posted...
DemonBuffet posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
He also once made a comic about a female superhero who got brutally raped every time she tried to stop crimes.

In the end the rapes made her quit being a hero and instead she became a hooker.

Toryama is a weird man.

Is this real lol. Proof? >_>

Yes it's real

Can't post it because it's not TOU friendly for obvious reasons.


I thought you were bullshitting, but it's real...wow lmao That is some fucked up stuff there
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NeonOctopus
02/08/18 4:42:06 AM
#93:


Ricemills posted...
it's not as bad as it sounds because it's a crude 80's humor. still bad for today's standards tho.
basically just an office lady got sick of low wage job and changed profession into wannabe superhero for fame. the criminals she tried to stop thought she was a cosplaying prostitute, and pay her after he was done raping her. then after she saw how much money she get, she decides to become a hooker.

lol
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Dash_Harber
02/08/18 4:57:39 AM
#94:


That actually explains why the Android saga just sort of ends without resolution. It really only exists to bridge the gap between the Frieza saga and the Cell saga.
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UnfairRepresent
02/08/18 7:49:56 AM
#95:


St0rmFury posted...
OK I just read Red Lady, it's actually rather tame lol.

A superhero being repeatedly raped until she is broken and becomes a hooker is tame.

Uhuh

Says a lot about comic book fans there.
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Kaname_Madoka
02/08/18 11:51:34 AM
#96:


UnfairRepresent posted...
St0rmFury posted...
OK I just read Red Lady, it's actually rather tame lol.

A superhero being repeatedly raped until she is broken and becomes a hooker is tame.

Uhuh

Says a lot about comic book fans there.

he means he thought it would be hentai
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Laserion
02/08/18 12:01:08 PM
#97:


l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
No wonder one of the most terrifying villains in the series history is just said editor made of bubble gum.

Wait. This is Toriyama's androids/Cell editor?

OnOy8t1 ?
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NeonOctopus
02/08/18 12:53:30 PM
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Kaname_Madoka
02/08/18 12:55:22 PM
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was she a thicc slimegirl like android 21
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