Current Events > windows 10 is absolute trash from an IT perspective

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COVxy posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

And don't point to hospitals not keeping their shit up to date as some sort of case for this, hospitals are a shitty conglomeration of some random corporation buying a building and not knowing anything about a business, cheap ass management that has run a business but doesn't know shit about nursing, pharmacy, patient needs, or technology, and the medical staff. IT is never factored in except for a last ditch "ah fuck" moment where some contractor comes in and fixes the printer.

I mean, for the most part, Microsoft has done a really good job rolling out security patches. So why are Windows machines notoriously vulnerable?

It's because users put off updating indefinitely. Taking that away was the best thing Microsoft could have done to increase the security of their systems. You don't like it because it inconveniences you, not because it's a bad feature. And it wouldn't inconvenience you if you didn't just keep clicking "install at a later date" and then selecting the latest option, rather then actually scheduling a time that works for you.

The largest security threat in any given system is the end user sure, but this doesn't fix the problems you think it does. I schedule my updates, my machine updates weekly without my intervention. Average users just get the crippling updates straight out of the gate and can't use their PC until someone who knows computers rolls it back or whatever. It does nothing for enterprise user's because businesses either invest in having a decent IT department or have essentially nothing around, maybe somd guy that is constantly running around fixing problems. You act like Windows 10 is extraordinarily secure when in reality, it's basically the same thing except worse again. It hasn't been out long enough to suffer from really large hacks (though honestly I still think people will migrate to Mac over Windows 10) so there's no reason to have any faith in it at this point. Forced updates are a bandaid on a much larger problem which is the Windows kernel.
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can't stand any of the new OS Microsoft has been putting out. Windows XP was the best and it went downhill from there

the only feature I really like is being able to quickly put two windows side by side and have them fill the whole screen

Rexdragon125 posted...

COVxy posted...

I mean, for the most part, Microsoft has done a really good job rolling out security patches. So why are Windows machines notoriously vulnerable?It's because users put off updating indefinitely. Taking that away was the best thing Microsoft could have done to increase the security of their systems. You don't like it because it inconveniences you, not because it's a bad feature. And it wouldn't inconvenience you if you didn't just keep clicking "install at a later date" and then selecting the latest option, rather then actually scheduling a time that works for you.

If you only have your computer on while you're using it this doesn't work because some genius decided to remove the "Update and shut down" option.

Yeah I forgot about this point, I don't really care about leaving my computer on.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

The largest security threat in any given system is the end user sure, but this doesn't fix the problems you think it does.

Let's not pretend it doesn't alleviate the issue. Is it a fix all? Obviously not. Is the way other OSes deal with security much much better? Of course. But a large proportion of insecurity in the population of Windows machines are really simply due to delaying updates.

P4wn4g3 posted...

You act like Windows 10 is extraordinarily secure when in reality

No, I'm acting like general security is improved when security updates are installed.
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have to get Windows 10 because Overwatch and a lot of games don't run on Windows 7.

COVxy posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

The largest security threat in any given system is the end user sure, but this doesn't fix the problems you think it does.

Let's not pretend it doesn't alleviate the issue. Is it a fix all? Obviously not. Is the way other OSes deal with security much much better? Of course. But a large proportion of insecurity in the population of Windows machines are really simply due to delaying updates.

P4wn4g3 posted...

You act like Windows 10 is extraordinarily secure when in reality

No, I'm acting like general security is improved when security updates are installed.

And you ignored my point that vulnerabilities will always be there, updates or not. Keeping up to date helps sure but that's not why Windows machines are the most vulnerable.
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voldothegr8 posted...

And you ignored my point that vulnerabilities will always be there, updates or not. Keeping up to date helps sure but that's not why Windows machines are the most vulnerable.

Do you think that Windows machines would be less vulnerable with less vulnerabilities?
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Again, not sure how that relates to corporations refusing to fund proper IT in the first place. Your arguments on this are bad.
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Anisoptera posted...

have to get Windows 10 because Overwatch and a lot of games don't run on Windows 7.

Windows 7 is fine with Overwatch. The 32-bit version doesn't work though.
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COVxy posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

And you ignored my point that vulnerabilities will always be there, updates or not. Keeping up to date helps sure but that's not why Windows machines are the most vulnerable.

Do you think that Windows machines would be less vulnerable with less vulnerabilities?

A little, but there are new ones every single day so it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Again, Windows is by and large the most used OS on the planet thus that's what attackers focus the most on.
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TC, what's your opinion on Gentoo from an IT perspective?
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bigotry posted...

TC, what's your opinion on Gentoo from an IT perspective?

Never used it. Have used debian though and its alright. Only for servers, not for end users
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Seriously dude most security solutions have been in existence for at least a decade, and incompetent/cheap/lazy organizations ignore them. Simple shit like locking your screen or having universal settings. The list seriously goes on forever. Those aren't problems that will be magically fixed with a patch to your OS. And it's relatively few security updates that actually patch major security exploits, especially in proportion to the amount of junk or DRM that gets labeled as an update. Is it any wonder people don't want that shit?
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Soundgarden posted...

I've refused to buy a new laptop since 2012 because every Windows version after 7 has been garbage-tier.

Nope.

justyouropinion
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You can change when the updates should be installed, but I forget how. Either way, now Windows doesn't randomly restart to install them, it just minimizes my games by forcing a reminder to appear instead, hurray!
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If i dare to walk away from my desk to get a coffee while an update is pending in the background it will force a restart because it thinks im not in the middle of anything
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We have two domains at work, one for staff and one for "public" users. I managed to delay having any Windows 10 machines on our staff domain for another year, but I'm about to head up a total migration on our other domain.

Group policy is the thing I'm worried about the most, we don't know what's going to break yet.

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Buzz Killjoy posted...

We have two domains at work, one for staff and one for "public" users. I managed to delay having any Windows 10 machines on our staff domain for another year, but I'm about to head up a total migration on our other domain.

Group policy is the thing I'm worried about the most, we don't know what's going to break yet.

Just convert them to mac.
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I believe you need a certain version of 10 or some stupid shit like that to be able to stop Windows from restarting like that.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Buzz Killjoy posted...

We have two domains at work, one for staff and one for "public" users. I managed to delay having any Windows 10 machines on our staff domain for another year, but I'm about to head up a total migration on our other domain.

Group policy is the thing I'm worried about the most, we don't know what's going to break yet.

Just convert them to mac.

Not an option if you need to run any software at all that isnt web based, or if you have more than like 3 users
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Rika_Furude posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Buzz Killjoy posted...

We have two domains at work, one for staff and one for "public" users. I managed to delay having any Windows 10 machines on our staff domain for another year, but I'm about to head up a total migration on our other domain.

Group policy is the thing I'm worried about the most, we don't know what's going to break yet.

Just convert them to mac.

Not an option if you need to run any software at all that isnt web based, or if you have more than like 3 users

Schools manage it
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Thats a bold claim
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i dont like being inconvenienced because other users have poor computer and computer security skills
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Things I hate about Windows 10:
- Windows update is now evil.
- It seems like Windows is always doing something the background without asking.
- Even at the lowest setting, telemetry is gathering WAY too much data.
- Updates continually fuck with your ability to stop data harvesting via telemetry.
- Stuff seems to move around every big update. Pick a consistent design and stick to it, damn it.

I played around with Windows XP in a virtual machine recently and I was surprised at how easy to use it was. Windows was honestly pretty good straight through 7, but after that it was downhill. The weird mobile stuff added to 8 dragged it down, and I hate 10 for the above mentioned reasons. I miss the days when Windows was consistent, stable, recognized the computer was yours (not the other way around!) and didn't gather data from you like you owed it money.

Is Windows 10 really that bad or are you just not used to it?

Wait until you meet Server 2016.
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Life Sympathy posted...

Wait until you meet Server 2016.

Beats the shit out of 12
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Anisoptera posted...

Is Windows 10 really that bad or are you just not used to it?

Ive been using it since its been available, including the beta. It has its pros. It has way to many downsides
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Life Sympathy posted...

Wait until you meet Server 2016.

Ive been looking to get microsoft certified. Ive been putting it off though cause i want my ccent/ccna first and then maybe ITIL
Is server 2016 bad as well
Were on a mix of 2008 and 2012 at work
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