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YOUHAVENOHOPE
02/05/18 7:04:32 AM
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why the fuck are you still writing those words out with those Ks then

seems silly to me

comeon man...
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DocileOrangeCup
02/05/18 7:05:06 AM
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scar the 1
02/05/18 7:12:18 AM
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You learned that today? That's like... really basic knowledge.
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omega cookie
02/05/18 7:13:49 AM
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What a shitty gimmick.
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Yomi
02/05/18 7:15:43 AM
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I flipped out once I learned that you are not supposed to pronounce the L in "salmon." In Spanish we say "salmn" with all the letters clearly spelled out so it never even crossed my mind >_>

I also didn't know the correct pronunciation of "gauge" until like two months ago, I was foolishly pronouncing the "gau" just like in "gauntlet." lol.
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scar the 1
02/05/18 7:17:00 AM
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Yomi posted...
I also didn't know the correct pronunciation of "gauge" until like two months ago, I was foolishly pronouncing the "gau" just like in "gauntlet." lol.

I still read it like that in my head. Part of me believes that it's actually not wrong to pronounce it like that, only that "gage" is accepted too. But only part of me.
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Garioshi
02/05/18 7:17:23 AM
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english is the least phonetic language ever
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Polycosm
02/05/18 7:20:05 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
You learned that today? That's like... really basic knowledge.

pronounced kuh-nawledge
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Hornezz
02/05/18 7:23:21 AM
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Comb, tomb and bomb should rhyme, really.
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flat_tyre
02/05/18 7:24:34 AM
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Yomi posted...
I flipped out once I learned that you are not supposed to pronounce the L in "salmon." In Spanish we say "salmn" with all the letters clearly spelled out so it never even crossed my mind >_>

I also didn't know the correct pronunciation of "gauge" until like two months ago, I was foolishly pronouncing the "gau" just like in "gauntlet." lol.

Our language really is screwed up :o can't blame you for that at all.

I wonder... if you wrote the word "queue" and showed it to someone learning English, how many of them would pronounce it right??
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
02/05/18 8:14:24 AM
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I don't get why English speakers dont just make up a new word

if they're just gonna pronounce it wrongly
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TrojanPony
02/05/18 8:16:45 AM
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The K wasn't always silent. It's vestigial.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
02/05/18 8:19:50 AM
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A5modeu5
02/05/18 8:22:33 AM
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Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.

Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.

Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.

Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.

Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.

Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.

Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.

Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.

Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.


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flat_tyre
02/05/18 8:31:48 AM
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See? People here are capable of writing works of art when inspired by ce. :D

>_>
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DevsBro
02/05/18 8:41:46 AM
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It's because English is such a mismash of other languages.

This is why in spelling bees they'll sometimes ask for the origin of the word. So if it's French, they'll know that long O sound is like forty letters (French is the worst language ever. Fun fact, the dumbass "chic" word that wannabe fancy people write and that dumbass "sheek" word that wannabe fancy people say are the same word).

English does have phonics that apply in most cases, but they're really complicated, have a lot of ifs in them. Like in the word "frame," the e at the end is silent, by the same rule as in "scene", "bone", "shine" and "tune".

This is also why spelling bees can even be a thing, beyond trivia or whatever
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iClockwork
02/05/18 8:42:43 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
@iClockwork what do you think about this

I think the meltdown is uneeded.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
02/05/18 8:51:04 AM
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DevsBro posted...
It's because English is such a mismash of other languages.

<_< well actually the silent K is a direct descendant of German
but i mean, you're not wrong
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flat_tyre
02/05/18 8:51:39 AM
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DevsBro posted...
French is the worst language ever.

French is awesome, probably the nicest souding language I've ever heard. Fun fact - everyone gets 10x sexier when they speak French.
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scar the 1
02/05/18 9:15:08 AM
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French pronunciation is quite consistent!
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DevsBro
02/05/18 9:16:39 AM
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French pronunciation is quite consistent!

It can be consistent all it wants. It's still ridiculous.
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scar the 1
02/05/18 9:50:58 AM
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DevsBro posted...
French pronunciation is quite consistent!

It can be consistent all it wants. It's still ridiculous.

that's racist
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teepan95
02/05/18 10:05:09 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
DevsBro posted...
It's because English is such a mismash of other languages.

<_< well actually the silent K is a direct descendant of German
but i mean, you're not wrong

The German word for knee is Knie. The k is not silent
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Tezlok
02/05/18 10:13:02 AM
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I usually defend TC but not this time
I don't believe him
How could he just now know that you don't say the K? Has he never heard someone say those words out loud before? I think he is lying
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
02/05/18 10:20:14 AM
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teepan95 posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
DevsBro posted...
It's because English is such a mismash of other languages.

<_< well actually the silent K is a direct descendant of German
but i mean, you're not wrong

The German word for knee is Knie. The k is not silent

i meant that the K comes from German

I left off "...where they pronounce the K"
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teepan95
02/05/18 1:05:54 PM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
teepan95 posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
DevsBro posted...
It's because English is such a mismash of other languages.

<_< well actually the silent K is a direct descendant of German
but i mean, you're not wrong

The German word for knee is Knie. The k is not silent

i meant that the K comes from German

I left off "...where they pronounce the K"

Oh I see.

Fun fact: I can't pronounce the 'ch' in words like "milch" correctly. I pronounce it "sch" like "schule"
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scar the 1
02/05/18 1:18:28 PM
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teepan95 posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
teepan95 posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
DevsBro posted...
It's because English is such a mismash of other languages.

<_< well actually the silent K is a direct descendant of German
but i mean, you're not wrong

The German word for knee is Knie. The k is not silent

i meant that the K comes from German

I left off "...where they pronounce the K"

Oh I see.

Fun fact: I can't pronounce the 'ch' in words like "milch" correctly. I pronounce it "sch" like "schule"

Is it supposed to be the ach-laut like in Bach or the ich-laut like in ich and zwanzig?
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orcus_snake
02/05/18 1:23:52 PM
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flat_tyre posted...
Yomi posted...
I flipped out once I learned that you are not supposed to pronounce the L in "salmon." In Spanish we say "salmn" with all the letters clearly spelled out so it never even crossed my mind >_>

I also didn't know the correct pronunciation of "gauge" until like two months ago, I was foolishly pronouncing the "gau" just like in "gauntlet." lol.

Our language really is screwed up :o can't blame you for that at all.

I wonder... if you wrote the word "queue" and showed it to someone learning English, how many of them would pronounce it right??


I just say "Q" and call it a day :v
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orcus_snake
02/05/18 1:25:55 PM
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Also when you are listing a group that includes you do you say:

X, Y, Z, and myself/ me/ I?
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kirbymuncher
02/05/18 1:27:59 PM
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DevsBro posted...
So if it's French, they'll know that long O sound is like forty letters (French is the worst language ever. Fun fact, the dumbass "chic" word that wannabe fancy people write and that dumbass "sheek" word that wannabe fancy people say are the same word).

it's kinda funny you hate on french for this when pronouncing things in french is actually quite easy once you know a few rules of how letter combos work. french has a lot of annoying parts imo but being able to read a word and know how to say it is one of the parts it definitely gets right
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teepan95
02/05/18 1:53:17 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
teepan95 posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
teepan95 posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
DevsBro posted...
It's because English is such a mismash of other languages.

<_< well actually the silent K is a direct descendant of German
but i mean, you're not wrong

The German word for knee is Knie. The k is not silent

i meant that the K comes from German

I left off "...where they pronounce the K"

Oh I see.

Fun fact: I can't pronounce the 'ch' in words like "milch" correctly. I pronounce it "sch" like "schule"

Is it supposed to be the ach-laut like in Bach or the ich-laut like in ich and zwanzig?

The latter
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r4X0r
02/05/18 2:04:48 PM
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DevsBro posted...
It's because English is such a mismash of other languages.

This is why in spelling bees they'll sometimes ask for the origin of the word. So if it's French, they'll know that long O sound is like forty letters (French is the worst language ever. Fun fact, the dumbass "chic" word that wannabe fancy people write and that dumbass "sheek" word that wannabe fancy people say are the same word).

English does have phonics that apply in most cases, but they're really complicated, have a lot of ifs in them. Like in the word "frame," the e at the end is silent, by the same rule as in "scene", "bone", "shine" and "tune".

This is also why spelling bees can even be a thing, beyond trivia or whatever


The e at the end is silent because it's a signal letter which combined with the single consonant indicates the long vowel sound in all of those examples. It's why shine and shin sound the ways they do, as well as the archaic "shinne." Take the British spelling of the word "programme." The double m means the short a. We just simplified it in American English. Tone and tonne is another example.
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scar the 1
02/05/18 2:07:38 PM
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teepan95 posted...
scar the 1 posted...
teepan95 posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
teepan95 posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
DevsBro posted...
It's because English is such a mismash of other languages.

<_< well actually the silent K is a direct descendant of German
but i mean, you're not wrong

The German word for knee is Knie. The k is not silent

i meant that the K comes from German

I left off "...where they pronounce the K"

Oh I see.

Fun fact: I can't pronounce the 'ch' in words like "milch" correctly. I pronounce it "sch" like "schule"

Is it supposed to be the ach-laut like in Bach or the ich-laut like in ich and zwanzig?

The latter

It's inconceivable to me how people can struggle with that sound. But then again, it's also inconceivable how they can struggle with s or the rolling r, and I'm quite content with realizing that different sounds are differently easy to produce for different people.
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r4X0r
02/05/18 2:10:54 PM
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teepan95 posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
teepan95 posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
DevsBro posted...
It's because English is such a mismash of other languages.

<_< well actually the silent K is a direct descendant of German
but i mean, you're not wrong

The German word for knee is Knie. The k is not silent

i meant that the K comes from German

I left off "...where they pronounce the K"

Oh I see.

Fun fact: I can't pronounce the 'ch' in words like "milch" correctly. I pronounce it "sch" like "schule"


There's multiple accents and multiple ways to pronounce that sound. Somebody from Schwerin and somebody from Frankfurt and somebody from Munich are going to say that word differently.
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teepan95
02/05/18 2:50:33 PM
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r4X0r posted...
teepan95 posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
teepan95 posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
DevsBro posted...
It's because English is such a mismash of other languages.

<_< well actually the silent K is a direct descendant of German
but i mean, you're not wrong

The German word for knee is Knie. The k is not silent

i meant that the K comes from German

I left off "...where they pronounce the K"

Oh I see.

Fun fact: I can't pronounce the 'ch' in words like "milch" correctly. I pronounce it "sch" like "schule"


There's multiple accents and multiple ways to pronounce that sound. Somebody from Schwerin and somebody from Frankfurt and somebody from Munich are going to say that word differently.

I'm referring to the Swabian pronounciation
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dave_is_slick
02/05/18 2:56:27 PM
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A5modeu5 posted...
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,

Yes it does. So what that the G is different.
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dave_is_slick
02/05/18 2:57:27 PM
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A5modeu5 posted...
haunt but aunt,

Also rhymes
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r4X0r
02/05/18 2:58:39 PM
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Stranger comes from French, anger comes from Germanic roots. French words favor the soft G while Germanic words favor the hard G.
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r4X0r
02/05/18 2:59:15 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
A5modeu5 posted...
haunt but aunt,

Also rhymes


Depends on your accent. Many people pronounce aunt the same as ant.
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dave_is_slick
02/05/18 3:10:49 PM
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r4X0r posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
A5modeu5 posted...
haunt but aunt,

Also rhymes


Depends on your accent. Many people pronounce aunt the same as ant.

But why? AU is a pretty damn consistent sound in English.
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scar the 1
02/05/18 3:56:54 PM
#42:


dave_is_slick posted...
r4X0r posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
A5modeu5 posted...
haunt but aunt,

Also rhymes


Depends on your accent. Many people pronounce aunt the same as ant.

But why? AU is a pretty damn consistent sound in English.

Except when it isn't.
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