Current Events > Senate to vote on 20-week abortion ban tonight

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If you really want to bring math into this, then let's look at some actual RELEVANT stats, such as the yearly birth rate, which is about 4 million American births per year.

That means that 14% of all babies are aborted.
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I just cringe at seeing some of the posts on here defending abortion.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

ghettoraider81 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I don't see anything wrong with it. Pre-natal screenings start happening at 3 months, which is about 13 weeks. And further pre-natal screening happens during week 15-20, which is more than enough time to find out if your child has a defect and you can choose to abort or not abort during that time.

Wrong.

There is a lot that can happen and be discovered after that time frame.

And a baby at 20 weeks can start moving and kicking. And a lot can happen at any time, there is no magic formula that works 100%. Brain defects, which can be caught early are the most important part of the screening.

99% of abortions take place before 20 weeks and provides enough coverage supporters and opponents of abortion.

Is everything perfect? No, it isn't, but if people need a sign of life, it's the baby moving and kicking.

Autonomic and reflexive movement in neonates only signifies that the most primitive part of the brain is firing. For reference, you can see this in coma victims.
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number of babies born in 2015 3,978,497

so around 16% of babies were aborted
is that high enough for you guys

see i can play with numbers too

abortion is the easy way out

Steve Nick posted...

If you really want to bring math into this, then let's look at some actual RELEVANT stats, such as the yearly birth rate, which is about 4 million American births per year.

That means that 14% of all babies are aborted.

oh this guy beat me to it
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Tmaster148 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

I'm sorry I don't view parasites as living person.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Zikten posted...

It is actually. The only reason you don't see it that way is you don't see fetuses as living humans

Probably because they're not.

Eh, I don't think it helps to minimize the kids. Doesn't help the cause. Many people feel emotional connections to their unborn child.

I'm pretty much pro choice, but pretty negative on abortion. It really should be a last last resort thing.

That's kind of the whole point of the pro-choice side. It's not about forcing people to have abortions but letting it be an option for those who need/want one.

I agree, I don't think there's some huge amount of it happening, but it's when some people try to minimize the seriousness of it that makes no sense. It doesn't help the cause.
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Its always bothered me that the people who tend to be against abortion for some asinine reason are the same people who tend to be against the social safety nets that aid people who arent able to support their children. Life for the sake of life is a really inconvincing argument, particularly coming from the mouths of people who dont stop caring about it once the baby is born!

Abortion is prominent throughout nature. Many animals will sacrifice a pregnancy for their own survival. Many will also eat or even abandon their own young, particularly when they arent a viable candidate for survival. But humans are better! So be better. Forcing a pregnancy and then abandoning the child is the embodiment of cruelty. Not to mention that this assumes that life begins at conception, which is an argument of semantics and not supported by science.
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masticatingman posted...

I just cringe at seeing some of the posts on here defending abortion.

The only cringey thing in this topic is the pro-lifers, their fake empathy isn't fooling anyone. Not now, not ever.
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I don't get why people always bring up animals and nature.

like we're literally above that
like we're so smart
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Zikten posted...

my goofy ass viewpoint is endorsed by like half the country. and is a major cornerstone of the catholic faith. you probably hate catholics though. by your logic, the pope is not mentally sound

Why are you so eager to bring Catholics into this?
This isn't some 'gotcha liberals' moment. Most American Catholics voted for Trump.
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armandro posted...

I don't get why people always bring up animals and nature.

like we're literally above that
like we're so smart

Humans are still animals at the end of the day.
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Tmaster148 posted...

armandro posted...

I don't get why people always bring up animals and nature.

like we're literally above that
like we're so smart

Humans are still animals at the end of the day.

we can literally fight our urges tho

free will and stuff
sometimes its hard tho
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armandro posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

armandro posted...

I don't get why people always bring up animals and nature.

like we're literally above that
like we're so smart

Humans are still animals at the end of the day.

we can literally fight our urges tho

free will and stuff
sometimes its hard tho

This could be said for any animal. My dog knows how to wait even when he sees food in front of him

masticatingman posted...

I just cringe at seeing some of the posts on here defending abortion.

Yeah how dare they have different views on something than you! They are WRONG!
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Conflict posted...

@masticatingman posted...

I just cringe at seeing some of the posts on here defending abortion.

I cringe at people who don't grasp that not every pregnancy is ideal for the child. You'd be for a baby being born to a poor family and irresponsible parents if it meant them "not being murdurrrrred" in the womb.

See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect

Post 106 knows what's up.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

masticatingman posted...

I just cringe at seeing some of the posts on here defending abortion.

The only cringey thing in this topic is the pro-lifers, their fake empathy isn't fooling anyone. Not now, not ever.

Ah, gotcha...still cringing.
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armandro posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

armandro posted...

I don't get why people always bring up animals and nature.

like we're literally above that
like we're so smart

Humans are still animals at the end of the day.

we can literally fight our urges tho

free will and stuff
sometimes its hard tho

Only because we are conditioned to do so

Any animal can be conditioned to do something. The only difference between us and other animals is our cognitive abilities
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EnragedSlith posted...

Its always bothered me that the people who tend to be against abortion for some asinine reason are the same people who tend to be against the social safety nets that aid people who arent able to support their children. Life for the sake of life is a really inconvincing argument, particularly coming from the mouths of people who dont stop caring about it once the baby is born!

Abortion is prominent throughout nature. Many animals will sacrifice a pregnancy for their own survival. Many will also eat or even abandon their own young, particularly when they arent a viable candidate for survival. But humans are better! So be better. Forcing a pregnancy and then abandoning the child is the embodiment of cruelty. Not to mention that this assumes that life begins at conception, which is an argument of semantics and not supported by science.

I don't personally know anyone who is pro-life that also thinks there should not be a social safety net set up to aid people who aren't able to support their children, and I know a lot of pro-life people. My guess is that you've been inundated with a lot of extremely biased claims from pro-choicers.

Something being prominent throughout nature does not automatically make it an ethical practice for humans. This is a ridiculous argument.

Human life beginning at conception is not a semantic argument. It is scientific fact that human life begins at conception. I repeat this and remind you that the debate is now over personhood, not when human life begins. Pro-choicers like yourself already lost that argument. Time to move on.
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Why are any dems crossing the isle for this? What do they think they're getting in return? How is a 20-week ban even constitutional? Are they mad?

Ginsberg preserve us.
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hollow_shrine posted...

Why are any dems crossing the isle for this? What do they think they're getting in return? How is a 20-week ban even constitutional? Are they mad?

they're from west virginia, indiana, and pennsylvania
it's not crazy, especially manchin
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prince_leo posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Why are any dems crossing the isle for this? What do they think they're getting in return? How is a 20-week ban even constitutional? Are they mad?

they're from west virginia, indiana, and pennsylvania
it's not crazy, especially manchin

And they're all up for reelection this year.
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hollow_shrine posted...

Why are any dems crossing the isle for this? What do they think they're getting in return?

Not clobbered in the midterm primaries or later.

I don't buy the "they don't care about life after birth" narrative. They might agree with care and aid in different manner, but to say they don't care about kids past birth is not true
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emblem boy posted...

I don't buy the "they don't care about life after birth" narrative. They might agree with care and aid in different manner, but to say they don't care about kids past birth is not true

People say this because they like to demonize their opposition. It's a pretty lame tactic.

And it's something both sides need to stop doing. It halts progress and prevents compromise.
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Conflict posted...

Especially considering you don't actually give a shit about the baby once it's born

that's not true but please feel free to keep making up lies about me. I am in favor of increased public funding for adoption programs to better care for unwanted children

Waluigi7 posted...

Why are you so eager to bring Catholics into this?

I was raised catholic. it's part of where my anti aborton stance comes from. I no longer practice, but I still take that away from my upgbringing. it's something very important to me that i never let go of

Zikten posted...

Waluigi7 posted...

Why are you so eager to bring Catholics into this?

I was raised catholic. it's part of where my anti aborton stance comes from. I no longer practice, but I still take that away from my upgbringing. it's something very important to me that i never let go of

So the one thing you took away from a religion you no longer practice is something to punish women for having sex and essentially trying to control their behavior.
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emblem boy posted...

I don't buy the "they don't care about life after birth" narrative. They might agree with care and aid in different manner, but to say they don't care about kids past birth is not true

their idea of care is "that 15 year old mom should pull herself up by her bootstraps"
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it's not about punishing women. dude you have a fucked up way of looking at it. I do not know how to make you understand. we both look at it in vastly different ways. it's like 2 aliens meeting each other. if you dont consider a fetus to be a human life and important to the world, then you will never understand where I stand. and since I do, I will never understand where pro abortion people stand. to me it is horrifying that our world is accepting of mass executions of innocent unborn children.

Tyranthraxus posted...

their idea of care is "that 15 year old mom should pull herself up by her bootstraps"

federal programs to either give monthly money to the mom, or if she gives it up, improve the orphanage programs to give better love and care to the kids as they cope with living as an orphan

Zikten posted...

if you dont consider a fetus to be a human life and important to the world, then you will never understand where I stand.

So...
Just how many children have you adopted?

It is entirely about punishing women.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Just how many children have you adopted?

my parents adopted an 8 year old chinese girl who is now grown up and more successful in life than I am

I have autism and barely take care of my cat, and live on welfare. I can't adopt people

I said I am willing to pay for federal programs in taxes but you keep ignoring that

Zikten posted...

it's not about punishing women. dude you have a fucked up way of looking at it. I do not know how to make you understand. we both look at it in vastly different ways. it's like 2 aliens meeting each other. if you dont consider a fetus to be a human life and important to the world, then you will never understand where I stand. and since I do, I will never understand where pro abortion people stand. to me it is horrifying that our world is accepting of mass executions of innocent unborn children.

You live in a world were you choose to believe chosing to remove what is essentially a parasite atm is murder.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Zikten posted...

it's not about punishing women. dude you have a fucked up way of looking at it. I do not know how to make you understand. we both look at it in vastly different ways. it's like 2 aliens meeting each other. if you dont consider a fetus to be a human life and important to the world, then you will never understand where I stand. and since I do, I will never understand where pro abortion people stand. to me it is horrifying that our world is accepting of mass executions of innocent unborn children.

You live in a world were you choose to believe chosing to remove what is essentially a parasite atm is murder.

it's very sad that you see life that way. I wonder if you have a fucked up relationship with your parents. and I hope you never are in charge of kids

Zikten posted...

I said I am willing to pay for federal programs in taxes but you keep ignoring that

How, when you're already on welfare?

My daughter can have all the abortions she wants.
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davyheinz posted...

My daughter can have all the abortions she wants.

why does your love end at your daughter and not extend to your grandchildren?

Tmaster148 posted...

Zikten posted...

it's not about punishing women. dude you have a fucked up way of looking at it. I do not know how to make you understand. we both look at it in vastly different ways. it's like 2 aliens meeting each other. if you dont consider a fetus to be a human life and important to the world, then you will never understand where I stand. and since I do, I will never understand where pro abortion people stand. to me it is horrifying that our world is accepting of mass executions of innocent unborn children.

You live in a world were you choose to believe chosing to remove what is essentially a parasite atm is murder.

Do you think that's how an unborn kid is seen by many people?

Tyranthraxus posted...

emblem boy posted...

I don't buy the "they don't care about life after birth" narrative. They might agree with care and aid in different manner, but to say they don't care about kids past birth is not true

their idea of care is "that 15 year old mom should pull herself up by her bootstraps"

No, not really
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Conflict posted...

Fuck "public funding for adoption". Children shouldn't have to be sent to adoption in the first place

but it happens and needs to be helped. one of my siblings is adopted and I know that it is hard on kids, living without parents

Zikten posted...

davyheinz posted...

My daughter can have all the abortions she wants.

why does your love end at your daughter and not extend to your grandchildren?

How do you love people who dont exist yet? What?
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Zikten posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Zikten posted...

it's not about punishing women. dude you have a fucked up way of looking at it. I do not know how to make you understand. we both look at it in vastly different ways. it's like 2 aliens meeting each other. if you dont consider a fetus to be a human life and important to the world, then you will never understand where I stand. and since I do, I will never understand where pro abortion people stand. to me it is horrifying that our world is accepting of mass executions of innocent unborn children.

You live in a world were you choose to believe chosing to remove what is essentially a parasite atm is murder.

it's very sad that you see life that way. I wonder if you have a fucked up relationship with your parents. and I hope you never are in charge of kids

A parasite is an organism that lives inside a host and benefits from nutrients from the host giving nothing in return.

If a women wants to give the fetus nutrients and give birth that's fine. But forcing women don't want to is turning that fetus into a parasite more than a child.

There's also reasons for terminal diseases a child would be born with that will kill them after birth and pregnancy is a painful process. You would rather see the women suffer and give birth only to watch them see the child die as well.
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emblem boy posted...

I don't buy the "they don't care about life after birth" narrative. They might agree with care and aid in different manner, but to say they don't care about kids past birth is not true

hahahahahahhahhaaha lmfao
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emblem boy posted...

Do you think that's how an unborn kid is seen by many people?

Not for the people who want to give birth to it.

But if we're focus on abortion, the people making the decision either don't want it or would rather end the pregnancy knowing the child will die shortly after birth.
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if it's going to kill the mother, then it can be excepted after telling the mother all the options and letting her choose who to live, her or her child. I have already said before that there are some extreme situations where I reluctantly allow abortions. but we are talking in the general sense. most abortions are not ok to do and that is what I wish was illegal.

Zikten posted...

if it's going to kill the mother, then it can be excepted after telling the mother all the options and letting her choose who to live, her or her child. I have already said before that there are some extreme situations where I reluctantly allow abortions. but we are talking in the general sense. most abortions are not ok to do and that is what I wish was illegal.

Because you would rather punish the women.
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I wish we had the technology to show the child's face to it's mother before she aborts. similar to the story in spiderman One More Day, when Mephisto shows Peter and MJ a vision of their future daughter that would be one day born if they don't take the demonic deal he proposes. They take the deal anyway, and basically "abort" their daughter (MJ wasn't pregnant) but everyone should have to do that

Tmaster148 posted...

Because you would rather punish the women.

you only think that because you can't wrap you brain about why I care about fetuses. because you don't see them as human life. my focus is on preserving life. I am not punishing anyone