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DeanAuryn
01/29/18 1:37:32 PM
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Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men, doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings

This is the ring that came to Frodo which was destroyed in Mount Doom.

What happened to these three rings?
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KazumaKiryu
01/29/18 1:39:39 PM
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I think they forgot about that part
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MC_BatCommander
01/29/18 1:40:42 PM
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DeanAuryn posted...
What happened to these three rings?


What three rings? The bolded lines are all referring to the same ring.
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Darkman124
01/29/18 1:41:39 PM
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https://twitter.com/schrutesays/status/381116431280005120?lang=en
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krazychao5
01/29/18 1:41:42 PM
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Isn't it just alluding that the one ring for the dark lord was to rule them, to find them, and bind them?
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CommonStar
01/29/18 1:43:34 PM
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One Ring refers to the same ring hence the capitalization.
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ghettoraider81
01/29/18 1:45:36 PM
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Is this serious?
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DoctorVader
01/29/18 1:47:29 PM
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The One Ring is the control ring. It rules over the other 19 and thus can find them and bind them.
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DeanAuryn
01/29/18 1:48:17 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
DeanAuryn posted...
What happened to these three rings?


What three rings? The bolded lines are all referring to the same ring.


How?

There are clearly 4 rings being alluded to, each one doing a different job. Sauron created multiple rings but also one which he wore until it was cut off his hand.
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Darkman124
01/29/18 1:48:37 PM
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DeanAuryn posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
DeanAuryn posted...
What happened to these three rings?


What three rings? The bolded lines are all referring to the same ring.


How?

There are clearly 4 rings being alluded to, each one doing a different job. Sauron created multiple rings but also one which he wore until it was cut off his hand.


Darkman124 posted...
https://twitter.com/schrutesays/status/381116431280005120?lang=en

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GOOMFalse
01/29/18 1:48:48 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
https://twitter.com/schrutesays/status/381116431280005120?lang=en

Heh
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DeanAuryn
01/29/18 1:50:05 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
DeanAuryn posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
DeanAuryn posted...
What happened to these three rings?


What three rings? The bolded lines are all referring to the same ring.


How?

There are clearly 4 rings being alluded to, each one doing a different job. Sauron created multiple rings but also one which he wore until it was cut off his hand.


Darkman124 posted...
https://twitter.com/schrutesays/status/381116431280005120?lang=en


I get youre trying to say there are not four rings but just one ring that performs all those functions. But Tolkeins poem does not state that.
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GOOMFalse
01/29/18 1:52:30 PM
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It does if you understand how language works
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LockeMonster
01/29/18 1:53:46 PM
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I think you just suck at English bro.
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KazumaKiryu
01/29/18 2:04:30 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
DeanAuryn posted...
What happened to these three rings?


What three rings? The bolded lines are all referring to the same ring.


Read the first line
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Trigg3rH4ppy
01/29/18 2:10:11 PM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
DeanAuryn posted...
What happened to these three rings?


What three rings? The bolded lines are all referring to the same ring.


Read the first line

*head desk*

The elven rings aren't the same as the One Ring.

How can anyone read the books or watch the movies and not understand that Sauron's Ring WAS the one ring. They literally show the chain of events of how the ring got from Sauron to Frodo.
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MC_BatCommander
01/29/18 2:14:09 PM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
DeanAuryn posted...
What happened to these three rings?


What three rings? The bolded lines are all referring to the same ring.


Read the first line


Fairly certain TC was referring to the bolded lines which are all referring to the One Ring. The three elven rings are all in possession of Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond during the events of LotR if I recall correctly.
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Darkman124
01/29/18 2:18:35 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
The elven rings are all in possession of Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond IIRC.


yep, and secretly in use by them all throughout. gandalf to motivate mankind to save itself, galadriel to preserve lothlorien amidst the darkness.

it's unclear what elrond was using his ring for
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MangaFan462
01/29/18 2:19:39 PM
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What did the other rings do?
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fusespliff
01/29/18 2:20:09 PM
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What I never got is just what do those other rings do?
In fact, why is the One Ring so desired (outside of its "you want me" vibes)? It turns you invisible, into an asshole and allows you to find/control those other rings. They build it up to be this all powerful thing, but I've seen more impressive feats from Captain Planet rings
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Darkman124
01/29/18 2:22:01 PM
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fusespliff posted...
What I never got is just what do those other rings do?
In fact, why is the One Ring so desired (outside of its "you want me" vibes)? It turns you invisible, into an asshole and allows you to find/control those other rings. They build it up to be this all powerful thing, but I've seen more impressive feats from Captain Planet rings


its power is mostly not by the wielder, but rather over the wielder

with the exception of a few very specific individuals--gandalf, galadriel, elrond--who would've been able to use its full power. in so doing, however, they would have simply replaced sauron after destroying him, because the ring's corrupting power over its wielder would actually be worse than it was over the hobbits.

think of it as having a sliding scale--the more powerful it is in your hands, the more power it has over you. the hobbits were chosen to bear it because they were the least powerful of all; as such it had the least power over them.
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krazychao5
01/29/18 2:22:47 PM
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fusespliff posted...
What I never got is just what do those other rings do?
In fact, why is the One Ring so desired (outside of its "you want me" vibes)? It turns you invisible, into an asshole and allows you to find/control those other rings. They build it up to be this all powerful thing, but I've seen more impressive feats from Captain Planet rings

Only Sauron can truly use the One ring, as far as i know
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Letron_James
01/29/18 2:25:59 PM
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fusespliff posted...
What I never got is just what do those other rings do?
In fact, why is the One Ring so desired (outside of its "you want me" vibes)? It turns you invisible, into an asshole and allows you to find/control those other rings. They build it up to be this all powerful thing, but I've seen more impressive feats from Captain Planet rings


It basically amplifies the power of whoever holds it.

In the hands of a hobbit (lowest part of the Lotr food chain) it doesnt help them that much. But if you gave the ring to someone strong like Gandalf, Aragon or any other high tier character then they would basically become sauron 2.0 if not stronger and become corrupted with power.

This is why the duty was intrusted to the hobbits to begin with. Even if they turned it wouldn't' be that hard to kill them to recover the ring, also they are more kind hearted and peaceful to begin with so there's that
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ledbowman
01/29/18 2:26:49 PM
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The Rings of finding and bringing are tricks to get two schmucks to be gofers.
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SilvosForever
01/29/18 2:28:15 PM
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Sauron gave the other rings as gifts to enslave the leaders of each race. That's why he's called the betrayer.

Elrond still has a Ring IIRC.
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fusespliff
01/29/18 2:28:41 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
fusespliff posted...
What I never got is just what do those other rings do?
In fact, why is the One Ring so desired (outside of its "you want me" vibes)? It turns you invisible, into an asshole and allows you to find/control those other rings. They build it up to be this all powerful thing, but I've seen more impressive feats from Captain Planet rings


its power is mostly not by the wielder, but rather over the wielder

with the exception of a few very specific individuals--gandalf, galadriel, elrond--who would've been able to use its full power. in so doing, however, they would have simply replaced sauron after destroying him, because the ring's corrupting power over its wielder would actually be worse than it was over the hobbits.

think of it as having a sliding scale--the more powerful it is in your hands, the more power it has over you. the hobbits were chosen to bear it because they were the least powerful of all; as such it had the least power over them.

krazychao5 posted...
fusespliff posted...
What I never got is just what do those other rings do?
In fact, why is the One Ring so desired (outside of its "you want me" vibes)? It turns you invisible, into an asshole and allows you to find/control those other rings. They build it up to be this all powerful thing, but I've seen more impressive feats from Captain Planet rings

Only Sauron can truly use the One ring, as far as i know


So we've never seen what it can actually do? I get that it's the saying "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" in action. But I never understood why anyone would actively search for the thing as no one ever saw it do anything but make an already powerful creature slightly more powerful.
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MC_BatCommander
01/29/18 2:31:15 PM
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fusespliff posted...
So we've never seen what it can actually do? I get that it's the saying "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" in action. But I never understood why anyone would actively search for the thing as no one ever saw it do anything but make an already powerful creature slightly more powerful.


They can't help it, the ring lures them in and essentially tricks them. They don't think logically because the ring is forecefully compelling them.
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Darkman124
01/29/18 2:33:09 PM
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fusespliff posted...

So we've never seen what it can actually do? I get that it's the saying "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" in action. But I never understood why anyone would actively search for the thing as no one ever saw it do anything but make an already powerful creature slightly more powerful.


again: its power is over the wielder. you see the ring's power frequently: everyone who comes near it goes crazy with lust for its power, even though they could only have a fraction of that power. the ring in the dark lord's hands had such power that he almost destroyed a united world.
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Letron_James
01/29/18 2:33:53 PM
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fusespliff posted...
Darkman124 posted...
fusespliff posted...
What I never got is just what do those other rings do?
In fact, why is the One Ring so desired (outside of its "you want me" vibes)? It turns you invisible, into an asshole and allows you to find/control those other rings. They build it up to be this all powerful thing, but I've seen more impressive feats from Captain Planet rings


its power is mostly not by the wielder, but rather over the wielder

with the exception of a few very specific individuals--gandalf, galadriel, elrond--who would've been able to use its full power. in so doing, however, they would have simply replaced sauron after destroying him, because the ring's corrupting power over its wielder would actually be worse than it was over the hobbits.

think of it as having a sliding scale--the more powerful it is in your hands, the more power it has over you. the hobbits were chosen to bear it because they were the least powerful of all; as such it had the least power over them.

krazychao5 posted...
fusespliff posted...
What I never got is just what do those other rings do?
In fact, why is the One Ring so desired (outside of its "you want me" vibes)? It turns you invisible, into an asshole and allows you to find/control those other rings. They build it up to be this all powerful thing, but I've seen more impressive feats from Captain Planet rings

Only Sauron can truly use the One ring, as far as i know


So we've never seen what it can actually do? I get that it's the saying "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" in action. But I never understood why anyone would actively search for the thing as no one ever saw it do anything but make an already powerful creature slightly more powerful.


There was no need to show its potential in the Books/Movies because LOTR has never been about a power scaling universe even though people like to make it one. The fact Gandalf didn't personally take the ring to Mordor is proof enough of the dangers of the ring, also the corruption of King Theoden was shown to illustrate how even the most noble and righteous can be turned by sauron, and that was without the ring being used.

If any of the stronger characters actually obtained the ring than the story would end there, Toiken would have to use an even bigger dues ex machina to rationalize how the rest of the fellowship could have beaten whoever got the ring.
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Balrog0
01/29/18 2:38:25 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
yep, and secretly in use by them all throughout. gandalf to motivate mankind to save itself, galadriel to preserve lothlorien amidst the darkness.

it's unclear what elrond was using his ring for


contextually it seems pretty similar to galadriel's ring tbh
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fusespliff
01/29/18 2:39:46 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
fusespliff posted...

So we've never seen what it can actually do? I get that it's the saying "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" in action. But I never understood why anyone would actively search for the thing as no one ever saw it do anything but make an already powerful creature slightly more powerful.


again: its power is over the wielder. you see the ring's power frequently: everyone who comes near it goes crazy with lust for its power, even though they could only have a fraction of that power. the ring in the dark lord's hands had such power that he almost destroyed a united world.


But got beaten by a human with a sword. Not all that impressive power. You say it's power is only over the wielder, followed by stating it amplified power. Maybe LotR just isn't for me...
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Darkman124
01/29/18 2:41:09 PM
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fusespliff posted...
But got beaten by a human with a sword. Not all that impressive power. You say it's power is only over the wielder, followed by stating it amplified power. Maybe LotR just isn't for me...


he did. sauron's defeat by isildur is, unfortunately, a necessary gigantic plot hole.
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fusespliff
01/29/18 2:41:45 PM
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Letron_James posted...
fusespliff posted...
Darkman124 posted...
fusespliff posted...
What I never got is just what do those other rings do?
In fact, why is the One Ring so desired (outside of its "you want me" vibes)? It turns you invisible, into an asshole and allows you to find/control those other rings. They build it up to be this all powerful thing, but I've seen more impressive feats from Captain Planet rings


its power is mostly not by the wielder, but rather over the wielder

with the exception of a few very specific individuals--gandalf, galadriel, elrond--who would've been able to use its full power. in so doing, however, they would have simply replaced sauron after destroying him, because the ring's corrupting power over its wielder would actually be worse than it was over the hobbits.

think of it as having a sliding scale--the more powerful it is in your hands, the more power it has over you. the hobbits were chosen to bear it because they were the least powerful of all; as such it had the least power over them.

krazychao5 posted...
fusespliff posted...
What I never got is just what do those other rings do?
In fact, why is the One Ring so desired (outside of its "you want me" vibes)? It turns you invisible, into an asshole and allows you to find/control those other rings. They build it up to be this all powerful thing, but I've seen more impressive feats from Captain Planet rings

Only Sauron can truly use the One ring, as far as i know


So we've never seen what it can actually do? I get that it's the saying "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" in action. But I never understood why anyone would actively search for the thing as no one ever saw it do anything but make an already powerful creature slightly more powerful.


There was no need to show its potential in the Books/Movies because LOTR has never been about a power scaling universe even though people like to make it one. The fact Gandalf didn't personally take the ring to Mordor is proof enough of the dangers of the ring, also the corruption of King Theoden was shown to illustrate how even the most noble and righteous can be turned by sauron, and that was without the ring being used.

If any of the stronger characters actually obtained the ring than the story would end there, Toiken would have to use an even bigger dues ex machina to rationalize how the rest of the fellowship could have beaten whoever got the ring.


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Balrog0
01/29/18 2:44:15 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
he did. sauron's defeat by isildur is, unfortunately, a necessary gigantic plot hole.


Is it? Both elrond and cirdan were there with their rings
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butthole666
01/29/18 2:46:08 PM
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DeanAuryn posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
DeanAuryn posted...
What happened to these three rings?


What three rings? The bolded lines are all referring to the same ring.


How?

There are clearly 4 rings being alluded to, each one doing a different job. Sauron created multiple rings but also one which he wore until it was cut off his hand.

No, you are just stupid.
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MC_BatCommander
01/29/18 2:47:35 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Darkman124 posted...
he did. sauron's defeat by isildur is, unfortunately, a necessary gigantic plot hole.


Is it? Both elrond and cirdan were there with their rings


Also Isildur didn't do the deed despite what the movies show. Elendil and Gil-Galad killed Sauron at the cost of their lives and Isildur just looted the corpse.
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Darkman124
01/29/18 2:49:39 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Darkman124 posted...
he did. sauron's defeat by isildur is, unfortunately, a necessary gigantic plot hole.


Is it? Both elrond and cirdan were there with their rings


Also Isildur didn't do the deed despite what the movies show. Elendil and Gil-Galad killed Sauron at the cost of their lives and Isildur just looted the corpse.


ah, a good clarification forgotten by those of us who saw the movies much more recently than reading the books

the films' presentation of his defeat suggests sauron is a jobber.
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spanky1
01/29/18 3:01:51 PM
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What I didn't understand is how the three main elves are still hangin' around literally using their elf rings during Lord of the Rings. Can someone explain this. I mean shouldn't they have been corrupted by Sauron way back in the day?
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Darkman124
01/29/18 3:08:27 PM
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spanky1 posted...
What I didn't understand is how the three main elves are still hangin' around literally using their elf rings during Lord of the Rings. Can someone explain this. I mean shouldn't they have been corrupted by Sauron way back in the day?


when sauron forged his ring and put it on, they realized and took theirs off, hiding from him.

they then prepared their forces and launched the war of the last alliance against him, which culminated in his destruction along with their leader, gil-gilad high king of the elves

sauron was separated from his ring at that point and they were free to use theirs again

also only two of the rings are in possession of elves. the third--nenya, ring of fire--was given to gandalf as he had been given the task of motivating mankind to defeat sauron for good
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DeanAuryn
01/29/18 6:07:09 PM
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So there is only one ring that rules, finds and binds the other rings (ie the even, dwarven and human rings)?

This ring is the One ring?

And this is the ring Frodo is to destroy?
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butthole666
01/29/18 9:27:56 PM
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DeanAuryn posted...
So there is only one ring that rules, finds and binds the other rings (ie the even, dwarven and human rings)?

This ring is the One ring?

And this is the ring Frodo is to destroy?

Yes

Anyone with like a third grade reading level could pick up on that breh
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DeanAuryn
01/30/18 12:59:39 PM
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butthole666 posted...
DeanAuryn posted...
So there is only one ring that rules, finds and binds the other rings (ie the even, dwarven and human rings)?

This ring is the One ring?

And this is the ring Frodo is to destroy?

Yes

Anyone with like a third grade reading level could pick up on that breh


Ok, thanks for the help.
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K181
01/30/18 1:01:37 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKU0qDpu3AM

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prince_leo
01/30/18 1:07:09 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Also Isildur didn't do the deed despite what the movies show. Elendil and Gil-Galad killed Sauron at the cost of their lives and Isildur just looted the corpse.

also this was still when the race of man was great. 8 foot tall Elendil fighting Sauron isn't the same as Aragorn (who is still above even other men)
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Sativa_Rose
01/30/18 1:08:16 PM
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http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Rings_of_Power
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DeanAuryn
01/30/18 1:13:10 PM
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I wish I had a ring of power.
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