Current Events > so, can Bruce Banner not...*Thor: Ragnarok spoilers*

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...die?

it looked like he should have died from that one fall
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Idk about MCU but typically Banner will Hulk out if his life is in danger. Once he was sniped and hulked out as soon as the bullet hit his skin and it never penetrated. So he probably wasnt in any real danger in that scene.
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Once he tried to shoot himself in the head and he also hulked out before the bullet can penetrate his skull.
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Unless whatever hits him is also strong enough to kill The Hulk then no Bruce can't die.
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Jiek_Fafn posted...

Idk about MCU but typically Banner will Hulk out if his life is in danger. Once he was sniped and hulked out as soon as the bullet hit his skin and it never penetrated. So he probably wasnt in any real danger in that scene.

Invincibility is the most boring attribute.

thanks.

I was just asking because it looked like he was out, and it didn't look like he had an opportunity to become Hulk...if he were to have died
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Skye Reynolds posted...

Jiek_Fafn posted...

Idk about MCU but typically Banner will Hulk out if his life is in danger. Once he was sniped and hulked out as soon as the bullet hit his skin and it never penetrated. So he probably wasnt in any real danger in that scene.

Invincibility is the most boring attribute.

He's not invincible, he just gets a reflexive powerup if Bruce would have died.
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Wasn't there a story arc where Bruce Banner died but Hulk lived? And not like he just couldn't turn back. Bruce legit died but Hulk was his own separate entity basically.
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Hulk can die, it's just that it takes considerable power to do so. In Wolverine's first appearance, he and Hulk had a 3 bout fight. Wolverine put Hulk down once. Hulk was less than pleased at this result, and proceeded to open a can on Wolverine.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Wasn't there a story arc where Bruce Banner died but Hulk lived? And not like he just couldn't turn back. Bruce legit died but Hulk was his own separate entity basically.

Probably. Hulk has been his own entity several times. I can't remember one where Bruce died, though.

There was one where Hulk fucks shit up so hard that both east coast and west coast avengers have to team up to stop him and can't and Dr. Strange ends up putting Hulk back in Bruce's body and is like "sorry Bruce but you're literally the only thing that can contain him" and then there is another one where Bruce actually fights The Hulk but I haven't read that one though I'm sure it also ends with they become one person again.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

Invincibility is the most boring attribute.

only as boring as the story
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St0rmFury posted...

Once he tried to shoot himself in the head and he also hulked out before the bullet can penetrate his skull.

lol comics
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Nah. Conflict relies on the potential for failure.

That said, I'd forgotten that this issue had already been brought up. In the first Avengers movie, Banner says that he ate a bullet and the Hulk spit it back out. There's no sense in me getting annoyed by it now if I thought it was tragically clever then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYPodDJMjOY
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Short Answer: No.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

Nah. Conflict relies on the potential for failure.

There is no potential for failure if and only if you define failure as death.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

Nah. Conflict relies on the potential for failure.

invincible characters can very easily fail when others are not invincible
unless you mean dying, but yeah in fiction, especially superhero related, rarely allows the possibility for death. doesn't matter if it's Superman, Iron Man, Batman, or Jubilee -- they're not gonna die. the only difference is that Superman is written as invincible and the others try to deny that theirs aren't
the rare piece of fiction where the characters can die broadcasts that very wide
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RebelElite791 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYPodDJMjOY

oh yea, I remember this.

but that seemed more like Hulk not allowing Banner to die out of self-preservation, but Hulk didn't do anything in this case, unless if Banner was slowly dying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbTQcpLzusU
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It's almost like suspension of disbelief is the difference between being entertained and not being entertained. Saying that the character isn't going to die is like looking at a flying hero and saying that it's just a special effect.

Besides, why remove all potential for defeat? Sports movies always come down to the good guys' team winning (or losing) by a narrow margin. Would anyone watch a football or basketball film about a one-sided game?

I dislike Wolverine simply because he can't be killed. His victories mean nothing because he gets an infinite number of attempts and nothing is on the line on his end.

It's like watching a high stakes poker game, but one player is allowed to bet monopoly money instead of real cash. Where's the fun in that?

tbf, when Banner is Hulk, he doesn't retain the memory, iirc.

so while Hulk might be invincible, it takes away from Banner, and you could see it as two competing forces rather than just some guy that can become "invincible"
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I remember Hulk split into Banner and Hulk when he punched Onslaught.
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oh yea, I remember that.

it created some kinda pocket dimension, or something, where the Avengers were kept separate from the main universe
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prince_leo posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

Invincibility is the most boring attribute.

only as boring as the story

Eh, I gotta agree with Skye on this. Any type of invincibility just absolutely kills any "tension" there is. I can still like the story and all that, but not nearly as much as I might have.
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Most likely Banner was Hulking out before he hit the ground.
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dave_is_slick posted...

Eh, I gotta agree with Skye on this. Any type of invincibility just absolutely kills any "tension" there is. I can still like the story and all that, but not nearly as much as I might have.

there are so many other forms of conflict than "will this specific character be hurt" though, many with their own tension
execution is much more important than concept
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Wasn't there a story arc where Bruce Banner died but Hulk lived? And not like he just couldn't turn back. Bruce legit died but Hulk was his own separate entity basically.

Probably. Hulk has been his own entity several times. I can't remember one where Bruce died, though.

There was one where Hulk fucks shit up so hard that both east coast and west coast avengers have to team up to stop him and can't and Dr. Strange ends up putting Hulk back in Bruce's body and is like "sorry Bruce but you're literally the only thing that can contain him" and then there is another one where Bruce actually fights The Hulk but I haven't read that one though I'm sure it also ends with they become one person again.

There's a oneshot where the entire planet died and Bruce was the only one still around. Bruce wanted to die, but the Hulk stopped him every time. Bruce eventually convinced Hulk to let him "die" and Hulk becomes the only persona.
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prince_leo posted...

there are so many other forms of conflict than "will this specific character be hurt" though, many with their own tension
execution is much more important than concept

I'm gonna sound like an ass, but I don't care. If nothing can kill someone, if someone is immortal, or they have a passive ability that makes them unkillable, I lose interest.
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dave_is_slick posted...

prince_leo posted...

there are so many other forms of conflict than "will this specific character be hurt" though, many with their own tension
execution is much more important than concept

I'm gonna sound like an ass, but I don't care. If nothing can kill someone, if someone is immortal, or they have a passive ability that makes them unkillable, I lose interest.

That's dumb
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...People realize Hulk can die right? He's far from invincible and many of his villains and fellow heroes can kill him if need be. Banner's just invincible for a normal human (as in regular weapons/non-Hulk-killing things won't kill him).
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That scene was hilarious. That entire movie was. It was a bit too slap stick at some parts but never bad.
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You have to use Bat Anti-Hulk Spray
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To kill Banner you have to kill the Hulk.

In other words, if it's anything short of instantly vaporizing him, Banner will hulk out and heal, even from a head shot.
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