Current Events > It says a lot if you became an atheist to be cool...

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but you never went back to being a theist when you matured
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Atheists are cringe.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

Atheists are cringe.

Some are, for sure.
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because theism is somehow logical now?
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TheCurseX2 posted...

Atheists are cringe.

This. Tbqh I have utmost respect for agnostics because they have the most reasonable viewpoint.

Atheist literally have less rational evidence to believe what they do than any major religion.
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ForestLogic posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

Atheists are cringe.

This. Tbqh I have utmost respect for agnostics because they have the most reasonable viewpoint.

Atheist literally have less rational evidence to believe what they do than any major religion.

You're misunderstanding those terms. Agnostic people are atheists. Atheist doesn't mean you claim to know there is no god.
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ForestLogic posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

Atheists are cringe.

This. Tbqh I have utmost respect for agnostics because they have the most reasonable viewpoint.

Atheist literally have less rational evidence to believe what they do than any major religion.

That's ridiculous to pretend like the existence of a god is an equal possibility to there being no god. Like, the chances are so unequal it's just pedantic to call yourself an agnostic over it.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

Atheists are cringe.

I almost never see atheist cringe. I only see butthurt theists who have to pretend that atheists are just edgelords going through a phase because it hurts them to think that so many people legitimately don't believe in magic.
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being atheist is soooooooooo surface
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dolomedes posted...

lol people who believe in gods

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I feel like the number of people who became atheist to be cool is pretty small.

Personally, I became an atheist because I realized that I could no longer hold a theist position if I wanted to keep my integrity.

weapon_d00d816 posted...

I almost never see atheist cringe.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76225032

RNG is the only god.
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This isn't even bait. It's just a hook in the water hoping something will accidentally bite it.
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Annihilated posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

I almost never see atheist cringe.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76225032

Somebody being against the religious right does not make them non-religious.
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nicklebro posted...

You're misunderstanding those terms. Agnostic people are atheists. Atheist doesn't mean you claim to know there is no god.

Actually, you are the one who apparently doesn't understand the terms.

Agnostic is the standpoint of "I don't know if there is or is not a God. I cannot rule out either option."

Athiesm is literally "I believe there is no God." That's what the prefix A- means. Polytheism = belief that there are multiple gods. Monotheism = belief that there is a single god. Atheism = belief that there are no gods at all.

Pure, undeniable facts are not relevant when it comes to the terms. You don't need to "know" that there isn't a god to be atheist. You simply have to believe that there isn't. Just like you don't need to "know" that there is a god to be monotheist of any variety. You just need to believe that there is one and only one god.
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agnostics are just atheists humoring religious people

Aristoph posted...

nicklebro posted...

You're misunderstanding those terms. Agnostic people are atheists. Atheist doesn't mean you claim to know there is no god.

Actually, you are the one who apparently doesn't understand the terms.

Agnostic is the standpoint of "I don't know if there is or is not a God. I cannot rule out either option."

Athiesm is literally "I believe there is no God." That's what the prefix A- means. Polytheism = belief that there are multiple gods. Monotheism = belief that there is a single god. Atheism = belief that there are no gods at all.

Pure, undeniable facts are not relevant when it comes to the terms. You don't need to "know" that there isn't a god to be atheist. You simply have to believe that there isn't. Just like you don't need to "know" that there is a god to be monotheist of any variety. You just need to believe that there is one and only one god.

Atheism is almost always defined as "disbelief" or "lack of belief," and that is what many atheists mean when they say they are an atheist.

Any claim that there is no god is on the part of the individual.

There's nothing wrong with a person being an atheist. But yeah, it speaks very poorly of someone if they'll change what they believe in order to seek the approval of others.

Whatever you believe, you should hold those views because they're what you personally believe in. You should never just go along with what you feel is expected of you or what's popular with the in-crowd.

Aristoph posted...

nicklebro posted...

You're misunderstanding those terms. Agnostic people are atheists. Atheist doesn't mean you claim to know there is no god.

Actually, you are the one who apparently doesn't understand the terms.

Agnostic is the standpoint of "I don't know if there is or is not a God. I cannot rule out either option."

Athiesm is literally "I believe there is no God." That's what the prefix A- means. Polytheism = belief that there are multiple gods. Monotheism = belief that there is a single god. Atheism = belief that there are no gods at all.

Pure, undeniable facts are not relevant when it comes to the terms. You don't need to "know" that there isn't a god to be atheist. You simply have to believe that there isn't. Just like you don't need to "know" that there is a god to be monotheist of any variety. You just need to believe that there is one and only one god.

I've taught this to too many people to care enough to argue with you so I'll just tell you to look up the definition of "theism" so you'll know where you went wrong. If you're still trying to argue with me after that, you're clearly either trolling or just too stubborn to admit when you made a mistake.
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nicklebro posted...

I've taught this to too many people to care enough to argue with you so I'll just tell you to look up the definition of "theism" so you'll know where you went wrong. If you're still trying to argue with me after that, you're clearly either trolling or just too stubborn to admit when you made a mistake.

Theism: belief in the existence of a god or gods.
Polytheism: belief in the existence of more than one god.
Monotheism: belief in the existence of only one god.
Atheism: disbelief in the existence of a god or gods.
Agnostic: belief that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God

For reference, disbelief is the refusal to accept that something is true or real. In this case, that "something" would be "god exists." Agnostics are not atheists, because they hold the position that he might or he might not, and there's no way to know. Atheists refuse to accept the first possibility.

In other words:
Atheists believe he does not exist.
Agnostics believe he might exist.
Theists believe he does exist.
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Started out as a Christian, became atheist because of bad Christians I was associated, and now I'm a theist but loosely defined one. I think God exists and I would love to meet her someday.
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Aristoph posted...

nicklebro posted...

I've taught this to too many people to care enough to argue with you so I'll just tell you to look up the definition of "theism" so you'll know where you went wrong. If you're still trying to argue with me after that, you're clearly either trolling or just too stubborn to admit when you made a mistake.

Theism: belief in the existence of a god or gods.
Polytheism: belief in the existence of more than one god.
Monotheism: belief in the existence of only one god.
Atheism: disbelief in the existence of a god or gods.
Agnostic: belief that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God

For reference, disbelief is the refusal to accept that something is true or real. In this case, that "something" would be "god exists." Agnostics are not atheists, because they hold the position that he might or he might not, and there's no way to know. Atheists refuse to accept the first possibility.

In other words:
Atheists believe he does not exist.
Agnostics believe he might exist.
Theists believe he does exist.

"Refusal to accept" a claim is not the same as claiming the opposite.

I am an atheist because I do not believe that some god exists. You may also call me an agnostic atheist, because I do not claim to know whether or not a god does or does not exist.

You can call me an agnostic if you want, but I'll call myself an atheist. And ultimately, what I think doesn't change regardless of the label someone puts on it.

Dragonblade01 posted...

"Refusal to accept" a claim is not the same as claiming the opposite.

When the claim is a binary option, yes it does.

The question is "does God exist?"
Theists respond "Yes, He does."
Atheists respond "No, He does not."
Agnostics respond "I don't know."

It doesn't get much more clear-cut than that. The two options are existence or non-existence. You can't partially exist. It's all or nothing. So if you refuse to accept that he exists and say "no, I don't believe that," then the only other option available to you is that he does not.
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meh, dont like atheism, but i can tolerate them.

but, dislike antitheism.
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Aristoph posted...

Theism: belief in the existence of a god or gods.
Polytheism: belief in the existence of more than one god.
Monotheism: belief in the existence of only one god.
Atheism: disbelief in the existence of a god or gods.
Agnostic: belief that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God

there are a bunch of others...

deism.
agnostic theist
agnostic atheist.
pantheism.
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Aristoph posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

"Refusal to accept" a claim is not the same as claiming the opposite.

When the claim is a binary option, yes it does.

The question is "does God exist?"
Theists respond "Yes, He does."
Atheists respond "No, He does not."
Agnostics respond "I don't know."

It doesn't get much more clear-cut than that. The two options are existence or non-existence. You can't partially exist. It's all or nothing. So if you refuse to accept that he exists and say "no, I don't believe that," then the only other option available to you is that he does not.

That isn't how language works at all. Theism is the belief in a deity. Atheism means you are without that belief in a deity. In no way does that mean you claim there are no deities. It just means you are without that belief. This is a fact, you can continue arguing, but you'd be wrong.
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Aristoph posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

"Refusal to accept" a claim is not the same as claiming the opposite.

When the claim is a binary option, yes it does.

The question is "does God exist?"
Theists respond "Yes, He does."
Atheists respond "No, He does not."
Agnostics respond "I don't know."

It doesn't get much more clear-cut than that. The two options are existence or non-existence. You can't partially exist. It's all or nothing. So if you refuse to accept that he exists and say "no, I don't believe that," then the only other option available to you is that he does not.

I don't see how you can honestly claim that there is no third option when you mention it in your own post. If I refuse to accept the claim that something is true, then I don't have to make the claim that it is false. I can just as easily say, "I don't know."

I am an atheist because I do not accept the claim that some god exists, not because I make the claim that no god exists. Again, you can call me an agnostic if you really want, but the reality is that I'm using a perfectly common usage of the term "atheist."

If you're agnostic, you're still an atheist because you do not hold the belief of theism.

It's why we have the terms strong and weak atheist etc.

Why don't people do any research on this before posting? It's so simple...
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Skye Reynolds posted...

There's nothing wrong with a person being an atheist. But yeah, it speaks very poorly of someone if they'll change what they believe in order to seek the approval of others.

Whatever you believe, you should hold those views because they're what you personally believe in. You should never just go along with what you feel is expected of you or what's popular with the in-crowd.

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Dragonblade01 posted...

I can just as easily say, "I don't know."

And this makes you agnostic, not atheist.

If you held the stance of "I don't know" then you could not have made a firm commitment to "I refuse to accept that he exists." The best you could say was "I think it's unlikely, but I guess it's possible." And that is not the same thing as refusing to accept it.
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Aristoph posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I can just as easily say, "I don't know."

And this makes you agnostic, not atheist.

If you held the stance of "I don't know" then you could not have made a firm commitment to "I refuse to accept that he exists." The best you could say was "I think it's unlikely, but I guess it's possible." And that is not the same thing as refusing to accept it.

Of course it is. If I don't know if something is true, I will reject the claim that it is. I will refuse to accept something because I don't know if it's true or not (or, put another way, because I have not been convinced that it's true).

I reject the claim that god exists, therefore I'm an atheist. Likewise, I don't make any claim regarding god's existence, so I'm agnostic.

I'm an agnostic atheist.

Aristoph posted...

In other words:
Atheists believe he does not exist.
Agnostics believe he might exist.
Theists believe he does exist.

No. Atheists do not believe in a god. That's different from believing there's no god. It's just a lack of belief. Agnosticism and atheism aren't mutually exclusive. Is this 2007 or something?
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Agnosticism is an irrational belief system and is the most cringe of the three.
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atheists are so easy to trigger

It says a lot

Such as...?
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Aristoph posted...

Atheists believe he does not exist.
Agnostics believe he might exist.
Theists believe he does exist

There's agnostic atheists and agnostic theists. The former meaning you're not 100% sure there is no God, but lean on the side of atheism, the latter means you're not 100% sure if there is or not but you're leaning towards yes.

At the end of the day we're all agnostic.
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Gamer99z posted...

There's agnostic atheists and agnostic theists. The former meaning you're not 100% sure there is no God, but lean on the side of atheism, the latter means you're not 100% sure if there is or not but you're leaning towards yes.

At the end of the day we're all agnostic.

These are simply terms to represent the degree to which an agnostic person believes in the possibility of a god. It's basically the equivalent of saying "I'm bisexual, but I tend to prefer the same sex" versus "I'm bisexual, but I tend to prefer the opposite sex." Either way, you are bisexual.
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Ugh.

Gnostic theist: "I know God exists."
Agnostic theist: "I believe God exists."
Gnostic atheist: "I know God doesn't exist."
Agnostic atheist: "I believe God doesn't exist."
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"Believing" in atheism like its a religion is dumb

Dogma is also dumb

It might seem non-committal but being at that level where you don't believe any particular doctrine but also don't rule out the possibility of things greater than yourself seems like the most reasonable scenario to me.
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pinky0926 posted...

"Believing" in atheism like its a religion is dumb

Dogma is also dumb

It might seem non-committal but being at that level where you don't believe any particular doctrine but also don't rule out the possibility of things greater than yourself seems like the most reasonable scenario to me.

I find it technically possible but a complete waste of breath to consider its possibility relevant. How about that?
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Why does everyone insist you make up your mind and choose between atheism or theism? Why would I make up my mind and have a concrete belief about something I can't prove either way? That sounds silly.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

"Believing" in atheism like its a religion is dumb

Dogma is also dumb

It might seem non-committal but being at that level where you don't believe any particular doctrine but also don't rule out the possibility of things greater than yourself seems like the most reasonable scenario to me.

I find it technically possible but a complete waste of breath to consider its possibility relevant. How about that?

fair enough, i wouldn't even know where to start myself
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_Goggalor_ posted...

Why does everyone insist you make up your mind and choose between atheism or theism? Why would I make up my mind and have a concrete belief about something I can't prove either way? That sounds silly.

Read: pascal's wager

TL;DR - most religions demand you take a gamble and go all in, you can't exactly be half-in, half-out
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pinky0926 posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Why does everyone insist you make up your mind and choose between atheism or theism? Why would I make up my mind and have a concrete belief about something I can't prove either way? That sounds silly.

Read: pascal's wager

TL;DR - most religions demand you take a gamble and go all in, you can't exactly be half-in, half-out

Well yeah, I get the theistic viewpoint. But the atheists do the same thing.

"No one is truly agnostic" is something I've seen a lot of people throw out there, and I don't agree.
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pinky0926 posted...

"Believing" in atheism like its a religion is dumb

Dogma is also dumb

It might seem non-committal but being at that level where you don't believe any particular doctrine but also don't rule out the possibility of things greater than yourself seems like the most reasonable scenario to me.

To be fair though, I'd say most atheists quite strongly rule out the scenario of God existing, given that there's no conclusive evidence. Sure they might change their mind in face of new discoveries, but "not ruling it out" sounds a bit weak in my ears. I, for one, am definitely ruling it out as long as it's presented as non-falsifiable conjecture.
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ForestLogic posted...

Atheist literally have less rational evidence to believe what they do than any major religion.

holy fuck this is dumb