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Lokarin
01/13/18 5:59:37 PM
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While the devastation of a nuclear weapon is massive - it's still very little on a geological scale.

Assuming a "clean" detonation, a singular warhead can devastate a city - but that's about it.
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PaddysPub
01/13/18 6:00:24 PM
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i feel like that isnt true
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Lokarin
01/13/18 6:01:11 PM
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PaddysPub posted...
i feel like that isnt true


When have I ever lied on GameFAQs, but here's the data

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
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faramir77
01/13/18 6:02:37 PM
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One nuke could wipe out Honolulu. The instant vaporization of over a quarter of a million people and over 100 billion in property damage would be more than enough to say Hawaii is "ruined".
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Lokarin
01/13/18 6:04:10 PM
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faramir77 posted...
One nuke could wipe out Honolulu. The instant vaporization of over a quarter of a million people and over 100 billion in property damage would be more than enough to say Hawaii is "ruined".


Of course one nuke is good for an entire city and surrounding area - but that is all. Total annihilation of an island as small as the main 3 Hawaiian Islands would take a large sustained barrage.
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Mead
01/13/18 6:04:26 PM
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who would nuke hawaii do you really wanna live in a world where macadamia nuts are even more expensive
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TheCyborgNinja
01/13/18 6:05:21 PM
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This is the tech people need if they want to be scary, I guess:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/nazi-sun-gun-space-mirror_n_3015475

Good luck shooting down something in space that casts a ray capable of incinerating anything it's looking at. You'd have to go into orbit and come at it that way, in all likelihood, especially if they had additional ones. Why nobody has done this yet is beyond me. It's basically a free "rule the planet" card. There's no way to actually prevent getting roasted by it. Something I saw pointed out that if fired at NYC, it would've instantly liquefied all the metal. Anything less durable, obviously, would just turn to ash and blow away.
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Lokarin
01/13/18 6:07:19 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
This is the tech people need if they want to be scary, I guess:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/nazi-sun-gun-space-mirror_n_3015475

Good luck shooting down something in space that casts a ray capable of incinerating anything it's looking at. You'd have to go into orbit and come at it that way, in all likelihood, especially if they had additional ones. Why nobody has done this yet is beyond me. It's basically a free "rule the planet" card. There's no way to actually prevent getting roasted by it. Something I saw pointed out that if fired at NYC, it would've instantly liquefied all the metal. Anything less durable, obviously, would just turn to ash and blow away.


A one tonne tungsten rod dropped from high orbit on to, well, anywhere - even deep ocean, would cause enough damage to crack the planet in half
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TheCyborgNinja
01/13/18 6:08:22 PM
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Lokarin posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
This is the tech people need if they want to be scary, I guess:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/nazi-sun-gun-space-mirror_n_3015475

Good luck shooting down something in space that casts a ray capable of incinerating anything it's looking at. You'd have to go into orbit and come at it that way, in all likelihood, especially if they had additional ones. Why nobody has done this yet is beyond me. It's basically a free "rule the planet" card. There's no way to actually prevent getting roasted by it. Something I saw pointed out that if fired at NYC, it would've instantly liquefied all the metal. Anything less durable, obviously, would just turn to ash and blow away.


A one tonne tungsten rod dropped from high orbit on to, well, anywhere - even deep ocean, would cause enough damage to crack the planet in half

Yeah, but then you can't rule it. At least make a lunar base first, I guess.
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Mead
01/13/18 6:13:46 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
This is the tech people need if they want to be scary, I guess:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/nazi-sun-gun-space-mirror_n_3015475

Good luck shooting down something in space that casts a ray capable of incinerating anything it's looking at. You'd have to go into orbit and come at it that way, in all likelihood, especially if they had additional ones. Why nobody has done this yet is beyond me. It's basically a free "rule the planet" card. There's no way to actually prevent getting roasted by it. Something I saw pointed out that if fired at NYC, it would've instantly liquefied all the metal. Anything less durable, obviously, would just turn to ash and blow away.


Constructing and maintaining such a thing would be a near insurmountable nightmare. Youd have to assemble it in space because theres no way you could get something that big into orbit without destroying it. So first youd need space stations in place around it.

Then youd have to figure out how to actually move the thing not only to keep it in place but to appropriately aim the thing, and more importantly keeping it from reflecting energy to places on earth accidentally.

Not to mention that focusing concentrated sunlight onto the earth would likely damage the ozone layer and contribute to global warming along with possibly weakening the magnetic field and leaving us more vulnerable to solar radiation.
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TheCyborgNinja
01/13/18 6:16:19 PM
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Mead posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
This is the tech people need if they want to be scary, I guess:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/nazi-sun-gun-space-mirror_n_3015475

Good luck shooting down something in space that casts a ray capable of incinerating anything it's looking at. You'd have to go into orbit and come at it that way, in all likelihood, especially if they had additional ones. Why nobody has done this yet is beyond me. It's basically a free "rule the planet" card. There's no way to actually prevent getting roasted by it. Something I saw pointed out that if fired at NYC, it would've instantly liquefied all the metal. Anything less durable, obviously, would just turn to ash and blow away.


Constructing and maintaining such a thing would be a near insurmountable nightmare. Youd have to assemble it in space because theres no way you could get something that big into orbit without destroying it. So first youd need space stations in place around it.

Then youd have to figure out how to actually move the thing not only to keep it in place but to appropriately aim the thing, and more importantly keeping it from reflecting energy to places on earth accidentally.

Not to mention that focusing concentrated sunlight onto the earth would likely damage the ozone layer and contribute to global warming along with possibly weakening the magnetic field and leaving us more vulnerable to solar radiation.

Based on the information we have available, during the late '50s / early '60s, Germany could've had it. I watched a documentary about it.
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Mead
01/13/18 6:19:39 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
Mead posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
This is the tech people need if they want to be scary, I guess:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/nazi-sun-gun-space-mirror_n_3015475

Good luck shooting down something in space that casts a ray capable of incinerating anything it's looking at. You'd have to go into orbit and come at it that way, in all likelihood, especially if they had additional ones. Why nobody has done this yet is beyond me. It's basically a free "rule the planet" card. There's no way to actually prevent getting roasted by it. Something I saw pointed out that if fired at NYC, it would've instantly liquefied all the metal. Anything less durable, obviously, would just turn to ash and blow away.


Constructing and maintaining such a thing would be a near insurmountable nightmare. Youd have to assemble it in space because theres no way you could get something that big into orbit without destroying it. So first youd need space stations in place around it.

Then youd have to figure out how to actually move the thing not only to keep it in place but to appropriately aim the thing, and more importantly keeping it from reflecting energy to places on earth accidentally.

Not to mention that focusing concentrated sunlight onto the earth would likely damage the ozone layer and contribute to global warming along with possibly weakening the magnetic field and leaving us more vulnerable to solar radiation.

Based on the information we have available, during the late '50s / early '60s, Germany could've had it. I watched a documentary about it.


By that point hadnt many of the notable German scientists migrated to the US?

Even the article you posted clarified that there are no schematics available that show this was anything more than a concept
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TheCyborgNinja
01/13/18 6:21:31 PM
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Mead posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Mead posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
This is the tech people need if they want to be scary, I guess:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/nazi-sun-gun-space-mirror_n_3015475

Good luck shooting down something in space that casts a ray capable of incinerating anything it's looking at. You'd have to go into orbit and come at it that way, in all likelihood, especially if they had additional ones. Why nobody has done this yet is beyond me. It's basically a free "rule the planet" card. There's no way to actually prevent getting roasted by it. Something I saw pointed out that if fired at NYC, it would've instantly liquefied all the metal. Anything less durable, obviously, would just turn to ash and blow away.


Constructing and maintaining such a thing would be a near insurmountable nightmare. Youd have to assemble it in space because theres no way you could get something that big into orbit without destroying it. So first youd need space stations in place around it.

Then youd have to figure out how to actually move the thing not only to keep it in place but to appropriately aim the thing, and more importantly keeping it from reflecting energy to places on earth accidentally.

Not to mention that focusing concentrated sunlight onto the earth would likely damage the ozone layer and contribute to global warming along with possibly weakening the magnetic field and leaving us more vulnerable to solar radiation.

Based on the information we have available, during the late '50s / early '60s, Germany could've had it. I watched a documentary about it.


By that point hadnt many of the notable German scientists migrated to the US?

Even the article you posted clarified that there are no schematics available that show this was anything more than a concept

They were implying if Germany hadn't lost any ground, I think. The documentary was assembled using various accounts and what the original weaponized version was based on (an agricultural device).
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Bugmeat
01/13/18 6:42:56 PM
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A nuclear apocalypse scenario is less about the direct blast damage and more about the long term indirect efdects on of hundreds (possibly thousands) of nuclear blasts going off around the world. Such as massive amounts radioactive ash and debris being thrown into the atmosphere. Massive firestorms that would devastate countryside because there are just too many wildfires for us to effectively fight. Large areas affected by EMP blasts. Radiation sickness. Etc.

TheCyborgNinja posted...
This is the tech people need if they want to be scary, I guess:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/nazi-sun-gun-space-mirror_n_3015475

Good luck shooting down something in space that casts a ray capable of incinerating anything it's looking at. You'd have to go into orbit and come at it that way, in all likelihood, especially if they had additional ones. Why nobody has done this yet is beyond me.

Because it's not something that could be quickly done without the rest of the world noticing long before you were able to complete it. The rest of the world isn't going to sit by and allow its slow construction while you violate international treaties that directly ban space based weapons of mass destruction.

The you have all of the hurdles of actually building and maintaining something like that.
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THREADRIPPER
01/13/18 10:39:52 PM
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faramir77 posted...
One nuke could wipe out Honolulu. The instant vaporization of over a quarter of a million people and over 100 billion in property damage would be more than enough to say Hawaii is "ruined".

It takes 2 nukes to kill Grigor II, though.
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Golden Road
01/13/18 11:10:50 PM
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Wait, if it takes only 23 nukes to destroy the entire world, why would it take 50 to destroy Hawaii? Is that 23 nuke factoid a lie?
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Lokarin
01/13/18 11:13:43 PM
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Golden Road posted...
Wait, if it takes only 23 nukes to destroy the entire world, why would it take 50 to destroy Hawaii? Is that 23 nuke factoid a lie?


They're probably talking about total economic collapse, which would only require destroying a handful of critical cities.
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Miroku_of_Nite1
01/13/18 11:14:33 PM
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Golden Road posted...
Wait, if it takes only 23 nukes to destroy the entire world, why would it take 50 to destroy Hawaii? Is that 23 nuke factoid a lie?

Yes.

faramir77 posted...
One nuke could wipe out Honolulu. The instant vaporization of over a quarter of a million people and over 100 billion in property damage would be more than enough to say Hawaii is "ruined".


Depends on the nuke.
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
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Monopoman
01/14/18 12:55:52 AM
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The 50 figure might be talking about absolutely vaporizing all of Hawaii, the point of why Nukes are so ridiculously bad is due to the long term repercussions not about the blast incinerating every building and living being in an entire state or country or something. In some ways the lucky ones are the ones that would die right away from a nuclear blast, the ones that live through it get to enjoy a host of other problems over the next 5-10 years minimum.
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Lokarin
01/14/18 12:59:37 AM
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Monopoman posted...
The 50 figure


Admittedly I only had the website provided for data - so if we have weapons capable of gigatons, well, that's something else
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Miroku_of_Nite1
01/14/18 1:00:53 AM
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Monopoman posted...
The 50 figure might be talking about absolutely vaporizing all of Hawaii, the point of why Nukes are so ridiculously bad is due to the long term repercussions not about the blast incinerating every building and living being in an entire state or country or something. In some ways the lucky ones are the ones that would die right away from a nuclear blast, the ones that live through it get to enjoy a host of other problems over the next 5-10 years minimum.


Depends on the bombs used, how they're deployed, and and weather patterns.
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Yellow
01/14/18 1:04:03 AM
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Wouldn't it be the fallout to cause the apocalypse?
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Miroku_of_Nite1
01/14/18 1:15:27 AM
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Yellow posted...
Wouldn't it be the fallout to cause the apocalypse?


Again depends on the weapons, and how they're deployed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY

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Mead
01/14/18 1:17:51 AM
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Yellow posted...
Wouldn't it be the fallout to cause the apocalypse?


Depends where the nukes went off. A few well placed bombs could wipe out a lot of the worlds crop yield and start an earthspanning dust bowl
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Yellow
01/14/18 1:26:15 AM
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Mead posted...
Depends where the nukes went off. A few well placed bombs could wipe out a lot of the worlds crop yield and start an earthspanning dust bowl

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Lokarin
01/14/18 1:26:42 AM
#26:


Mead posted...
Yellow posted...
Wouldn't it be the fallout to cause the apocalypse?


Depends where the nukes went off. A few well placed bombs could wipe out a lot of the worlds crop yield and start an earthspanning dust bowl


If you wanna get technical - it's possible a single attack on farmland California is all it would take to end the world.
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Miroku_of_Nite1
01/14/18 1:39:03 AM
#27:


Lokarin posted...
Mead posted...
Yellow posted...
Wouldn't it be the fallout to cause the apocalypse?


Depends where the nukes went off. A few well placed bombs could wipe out a lot of the worlds crop yield and start an earthspanning dust bowl


If you wanna get technical - it's possible a single attack on farmland California is all it would take to end the world.


Price of almonds, and California wine would go through the roof. A cobalt bomb in Iowa or Nebraska would wreck the worlds corn supply which would affect beef and other things.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Corn_belt.svg/1200px-Corn_belt.svg.png
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Yellow
01/14/18 1:39:57 AM
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Do not give NK the rebel plans
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SinisterSlay
01/14/18 9:51:57 AM
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The giant mirror thing would never work. Earths orbit is full of high speed garbage that acts as bullets. The mirror would be destroyed faster than you could build it.
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RoboXgp89
01/14/18 10:09:07 AM
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It would take 100 nukes to block out the sun so your fact is irrelevant we'd be halfway there to 90% of all life dying if that happened
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CacciatoPart2
01/14/18 10:13:28 AM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
It would take 100 nukes to block out the sun so your fact is irrelevant we'd be halfway there to 90% of all life dying if that happened

Is your hobby just posting about shit you dont know about?
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RoboXgp89
01/14/18 10:15:09 AM
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CacciatoPart2 posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
It would take 100 nukes to block out the sun so your fact is irrelevant we'd be halfway there to 90% of all life dying if that happened

Is your hobby just posting about shit you dont know about?


dont use the word shit with me trollbot2.0

detonating that many nukes at once would send dust up into the air blocking out the sun
https://www.globalzero.org/blog/how-many-nukes-would-it-take-render-earth-uninhabitable

the videos shown either had them explode underground or surronded by water
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CacciatoPart2
01/14/18 1:19:45 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
CacciatoPart2 posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
It would take 100 nukes to block out the sun so your fact is irrelevant we'd be halfway there to 90% of all life dying if that happened

Is your hobby just posting about shit you dont know about?


dont use the word shit with me trollbot2.0

detonating that many nukes at once would send dust up into the air blocking out the sun
https://www.globalzero.org/blog/how-many-nukes-would-it-take-render-earth-uninhabitable

the videos shown either had them explode underground or surronded by water

Its a little weird when you use the word nuke as a unit of measurement. Thats why its so fucking stupid.
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RoboXgp89
01/15/18 2:40:12 AM
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eff off
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WindMouseHanpan
01/15/18 3:01:52 AM
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It's not just the blast radius...it's the radiation fallout, which covers a much wider area. It would only take a few nukes to make Hawaii uninhabitable for generations.
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CacciatoPart2
01/15/18 3:48:57 AM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
eff off

Oh, so youre not smart enough to specify tonnage?
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RoboXgp89
01/15/18 3:51:05 AM
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even the smallest nukes have vaporized cities
we're talking about atoms being vaporized into thin air and you want tonnage?
go look at your nearest city and imagine that as dust in the air
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CacciatoPart2
01/15/18 4:06:13 AM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
even the smallest nukes have vaporized cities
we're talking about atoms being vaporized into thin air and you want tonnage?
go look at your nearest city and imagine that as dust in the air

You poor guy. You just dont get it, do you?
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