Current Events > Liberals furious due to 4th Graders assignment to list good reasons for slavery.

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voldothegr8 posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

Why do teachers keep doing this shit?

Its a debate assignment. It is good to argue things like this so we have a better understanding of situations. I've had to do debate assignments for positions I did not agree with and it makes you really understand how the 'other side' felt what they did was right.

I'm sorry but 4th graders aren't capable of debate beyond name calling.

HypnoCoosh posted...

Because it's called teaching. Critical thinking.

4th fucking grade.

You do not give them enough credit. I work with that age group; and it is amazing how much they know and are willing to share if you treat them like people and not children.
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voldothegr8 posted...

That is pretty fucked up, especially for 4th graders.

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WEW LAD
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I don't think 4th graders are capable of having this level of philosophical discussion nor should they be indoctrinated on this level of moral relativism.

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Has anyone actually refuted this? :D
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Yes ask 4th graders to discuss a topic that grown people have issues differentiating the positives and negatives about. Might as well ask them what their opinion on abortions are as well
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Letron_James posted...

Yes ask 4th graders to discuss a topic that grown people have issues differentiating the positives and negatives about. Might as well ask them what their opinion on abortions are as well

Kids can surprise you.

I'm just not sure how I feel about this being a school homework assignment.
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fenderbender321 posted...

I remember in 6th grade I had a writing assignment where I had to come up with a solution for overpopulation (I chose overpopulation as the problem). One of the solutions I came up with was to round up the military and start executing a bunch of people randomly. I got a C+ on it.

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The Admiral posted...

Kids should learn the rationale for why slavery existed, and it's not the Tumblr explanation of "racist evil white man want to oppress poor dark skin man!!"

this might be the most admiral post of all time
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Delirious_Beard posted...

The Admiral posted...

Kids should learn the rationale for why slavery existed, and it's not the Tumblr explanation of "racist evil white man want to oppress poor dark skin man!!"

this might be the most admiral post of all time

Maybe you can get @FrisbeeDude to use this one as his new sig, since he enjoys mentioning me there.
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The Admiral posted...

But slaves weren't just used because people were evil

IDK Admiral, being so motivated by wealth and power that you are willing to force another human being to work for you for free under the threat of violent retaliation and/or rape while deliberately keeping them uneducated so they can't retaliate against you is pretty fucking evil.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The Admiral posted...

But slaves weren't just used because people were evil

IDK Admiral, being so motivated by wealth and power that you are willing to force another human being to work for you for free under the threat of violent retaliation and/or rape while deliberately keeping them uneducated so they can't retaliate against you is pretty fucking evil.

Welcome to literally every country in the world -- including all the African ones -- before 1800.

Let's get real, by modern standards, most of the world has been fucked up for 95% of humanity's existence. That's not a particularly intelligent or useful way to teach history. Almost none of the ways people treated each other hundreds of years ago would be okay today.
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Of course there are good reasons for slavery, some of the best nations in the world were built on the back of it.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

"I am still offended and I feel some type of way.

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The Admiral posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The Admiral posted...

But slaves weren't just used because people were evil

IDK Admiral, being so motivated by wealth and power that you are willing to force another human being to work for you for free under the threat of violent retaliation and/or rape while deliberately keeping them uneducated so they can't retaliate against you is pretty fucking evil.

Welcome to literally every country in the world -- including all the African ones -- before 1800.

Let's get real, by modern standards, most of the world has been fucked up for 95% of humanity's existence. That's not a particularly intelligent or useful way to teach history. Almost none of the ways people treated each other hundreds of years ago would be okay today.

I mean, I didn't deny this.

But what happened to simply presenting the facts and letting people come to their own conclusion? I know the real reason why slavery exists and I didn't have to go through an exercise asking me to justify slavery.
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The Admiral posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The Admiral posted...

But slaves weren't just used because people were evil

IDK Admiral, being so motivated by wealth and power that you are willing to force another human being to work for you for free under the threat of violent retaliation and/or rape while deliberately keeping them uneducated so they can't retaliate against you is pretty fucking evil.

Welcome to literally every country in the world -- including all the African ones -- before 1800.

Let's get real, by modern standards, most of the world has been fucked up for 95% of humanity's existence. That's not a particularly intelligent or useful way to teach history. Almost none of the ways people treated each other hundreds of years ago would be okay today.

and wasnt defending slavery one of the reasons for the american Revolution ?( someone here on CE mentioned it was one of the things they dont teach in schools )
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The Admiral posted...

Kids should learn the rationale for why slavery existed, and it's not the Tumblr explanation of "racist evil white man want to oppress poor dark skin man!!"

Lmao
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Presenting slavery as it actually happened is Tumblr sjw snowflakeland, but going out of your way to find positives for it is...keeping it real?

Like....WHAT LOL
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FrisbeeDude posted...

Presenting slavery as it actually happened is Tumblr sjw snowflakeland, but going out of your way to find positives for it is...keeping it real?

Like....WHAT LOL

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FrisbeeDude posted...

Presenting slavery as it actually happened is Tumblr sjw snowflakeland, but going out of your way to find positives for it is...keeping it real?

Like....WHAT LOL

Admiral Logic

FrisbeeDude posted...

Presenting slavery as it actually happened is Tumblr sjw snowflakeland, but going out of your way to find positives for it is...keeping it real?

Like....WHAT LOL

Can't say I'm shocked that this is your level of education with regards to historical events.
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Apparently students shouldn't be encouraged to think critically about subjects over which they morally or fundamentally disagree...
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Like, addy...you killed kaepernick for listing the positives of Castro's regime...do you have any consistency?
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FrisbeeDude posted...

Like, addy...you killed kaepernick for listing the positives of Castro's regime...do you have any consistency?

LOL, he didn't list the positives, he openly supported Castro.
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Broken_Zeus posted...

Apparently students shouldn't be encouraged to think critically about subjects over which they morally or fundamentally disagree...

4th grade.
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The Admiral posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

Like, addy...you killed kaepernick for listing the positives of Castro's regime...do you have any consistency?

LOL, he didn't list the positives, he openly supported Castro.

He supported, what he believed, to be positive aspects of his regime (education and health care) how does him pointing these things out make it him insensitive, yet this assignment is not?
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I remember in 11th grade social studies my teacher put a question "can you understand Hitlers motives" and my answer explained he was awful but tried to explain from his point of view as best I could.

I got the question wrong cause he wanted the answer "no".

Kinda reminds me of this....
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The former mod keeps topping himself with every topic.
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@The_Admiral posted...

butthole666 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Kids should learn the rationale for why slavery existed, and it's not the Tumblr explanation of "racist evil white man want to oppress poor dark skin man!!"

Serious question is there any aspect of your personality and beliefs that is not wholly and unwaveringly repugnant

This dude won't be lasting long with the new flaming rules.

Won't be missed, butthole666

So the answer is no?

I don't think there's any CE regulars that are not put off by you in some capacity, besides the ones that exude the same miserable angry energy that you do (Capn_Circus, darkjedilink, r4X0r, glitteringfairy)
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not really a suitable assignment for a 4th grader but nobody intelligent is outraged over this
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Broken_Zeus posted...

Apparently students shouldn't be encouraged to think critically about subjects over which they morally or fundamentally disagree...

4th graders
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What is your opinion on this unfair?
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HypnoCoosh posted...

Because it's called teaching. Critical thinking.

Don't stick your head in the sand bad things happened and are still happening in some places. Ignoring or acting like it's taboo doesn't help a single thing or person.

4th graders. Some of them don't fully understand the concept of sarcasm yet. And we're trying to get them to think about the motivations underpinning why some people exploited others for their own gain?

The Admiral posted...

Kids should learn the rationale for why slavery existed, and it's not the Tumblr explanation of "racist evil white man want to oppress poor dark skin man!!"

I agree with you. At a developmentally appropriate age. As mentioned several times in this thread, the minutiae in understanding complex social histories is a bit over their heads at that age. It's like trying to teach them calculus. Which is why people are jumping on you in this thread. It really comes off as disingenuous and you being a bit too eager in the exercise of thinking of "good" reasons for slavery.
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Garioshi posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

Garioshi posted...

This is a good critical thinking exercise

No, no it isn't

Learning to see things from other peoples' points of view is key to critical thinking.

@Garioshi

I can see what youre going for, but the way questions are worded is a statement in and of itself. A lesson in learning to call your teacher out on their bullshit doesnt excuse a horribly offensive idea.

For example, a comparable prompt would be something like list some reasons why the Jewish people deserved the holocaust.
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EnragedSlith posted...

Garioshi posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

Garioshi posted...

This is a good critical thinking exercise

No, no it isn't

Learning to see things from other peoples' points of view is key to critical thinking.

@Garioshi

For example, a comparable prompt would be something like list some reasons why the Jewish people deserved the holocaust.

That question is not the same as the one regarding slavery because it is already loaded with bias.
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lubmelubyou posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

Garioshi posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

Garioshi posted...

This is a good critical thinking exercise

No, no it isn't

Learning to see things from other peoples' points of view is key to critical thinking.

@Garioshi

For example, a comparable prompt would be something like list some reasons why the Jewish people deserved the holocaust.

That question is not the same as the one regarding slavery because it is already loaded with bias.

You're being pedantic with semantics.

Ok

3 good and 3 bad reasons for the Jewish holocaust
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God, that would result in so much modding...
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UnfairRepresent posted...

When prompted to provide "good" reasons for slavery, Jerome wrote, "I feel there is no good reason for slavery, that's why I did not write."

i think that was the point of the assignment
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A better way to phrase this would be something like "give three arguments that could be used in support of slavery" instead of "good reasons for slavery"
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i dont think there is nothing wrong with the assignment

is close to one i had
it was about prejudices we were asked several questions about positive and negative traits based on race income

if youd hire a chinese or an ex convict and many more one of them was about who would you trust and showed a pic with people from different races but it wasnt just about race
it was about their clothing and hair ...people choose the ones that looked like they were wearing new / clean or expensive clothes

the teacher wanted to talk about the difference between having prejudices and acting on them

the one on this story probably wanted to the students to write stuff like "I feel there is no good reason for slavery, that's why I did not write." on their own instead of telling them
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The kids are too young for this assignment regardless
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So some of y'all would be ok with a teacher asking students to list the positives of 9/11?
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