Current Events > Liberals furious due to 4th Graders assignment to list good reasons for slavery.

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butthole666 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Kids should learn the rationale for why slavery existed, and it's not the Tumblr explanation of "racist evil white man want to oppress poor dark skin man!!"

Serious question is there any aspect of your personality and beliefs that is not wholly and unwaveringly repugnant

This dude won't be lasting long with the new flaming rules.

Won't be missed, butthole666
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The Admiral posted...

butthole666 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Kids should learn the rationale for why slavery existed, and it's not the Tumblr explanation of "racist evil white man want to oppress poor dark skin man!!"

Serious question is there any aspect of your personality and beliefs that is not wholly and unwaveringly repugnant

This dude won't be lasting long with the new flaming rules.

Won't be missed, butthole666

Don't call him a dude!
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HypnoCoosh posted...

I think if people actually understood the history of slavery in a more detailed manner they would form more mature opinions and be less emotional about the topic.

You find it shocking people get emotional over fucking slavery?

Okay truther
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k darkfire posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

I think if people actually understood the history of slavery in a more detailed manner they would form more mature opinions and be less emotional about the topic.

Indeed. Slavery led to Blacks being free from poverty and led to a better life. Thats a plus. If it weren't for that then Obama (their messiah) would never have been born.

jesus fucking christ this board
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The Admiral posted...

Kids should learn the rationale for why slavery existed, and it's not the Tumblr explanation of "racist evil white man want to oppress poor dark skin man!!"

Christ, any excuse to bitch about liberals eh Addy?
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Garioshi posted...

This is a good critical thinking exercise

No, no it isn't
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

The Admiral posted...

Kids should learn the rationale for why slavery existed, and it's not the Tumblr explanation of "racist evil white man want to oppress poor dark skin man!!"

Christ, any excuse to bitch about liberals eh Addy?

I didn't even mention liberals, but hope that post made you feel better.
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EnragedSlith posted...

Garioshi posted...

This is a good critical thinking exercise

No, no it isn't

Learning to see things from other peoples' points of view is key to critical thinking.
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Slavery was terrible and cruel and inhuman. Slavery has always existed from Sumeria onwards. But, slavery had a net benefit on the free became superior in ways to the oppressors. Slavery led to Blacks being equal to Whites and harmony in the World.

I think it's probably also be worth teaching kids (and adults, since I doubt most of you know) that slavery still exists today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17/this-map-shows-where-the-worlds-30-million-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/

We think of slavery as a practice of the past, an image from Roman colonies or 18th-century American plantations, but the practice of enslaving human beings as property still exists. There are 29.8 million people living as slaves right now, according to a comprehensive new report issued by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation.

This is not some softened, by-modern-standards definition of slavery. These 30 million people are living as forced laborers, forced prostitutes, child soldiers, child brides in forced marriages and, in all ways that matter, as pieces of property, chattel in the servitude of absolute ownership. Walk Free investigated 162 countries and found slaves in every single one. But the practice is far worse in some countries than others.

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I find it wild that people think this is a proper discussion for 4th graders or that they'd be capable of having a nuanced conversation on the trans Atlantic slave trade.

You guys are so damn kooky with your partisan defenses all I can do is laugh. Thankfully society doesn't take you too seriously
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Without slavery, the Founding Fathers couldnt have ran around spending money they never earned, and they wouldnt have had the time or resources to create the best goddamn nation on this goddamn planet!
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The Admiral posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

The Admiral posted...

Kids should learn the rationale for why slavery existed, and it's not the Tumblr explanation of "racist evil white man want to oppress poor dark skin man!!"

Christ, any excuse to bitch about liberals eh Addy?

I didn't even mention liberals, but hope that post made you feel better.

Oh ffs, don't be semantic when everyone knows what you were saying. That's just silly
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The Admiral posted...

I think it's probably also be worth teaching kids (and adults, since I doubt most of you know) that slavery still exists today.

no shit it still exists today

lets teach the kids this by asking them why slavery still existing is a good thing, why not right
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ROBANN_88 posted...

if they meant the colonial kind of kidnapping from Africa and have them handpick sugar canes etc, it's all shit

however, had they gone with the pre-medieval kind, you could in theory make an argument.
it would still be like walking in a mine-field, but if you're good you could make it, i think

>kidnapping

you do realize that tribes would trade away their own people for goods, right? like full on willingly trade their own people for stuff?
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r4X0r posted...

ROBANN_88 posted...

if they meant the colonial kind of kidnapping from Africa and have them handpick sugar canes etc, it's all shit

however, had they gone with the pre-medieval kind, you could in theory make an argument.
it would still be like walking in a mine-field, but if you're good you could make it, i think

Well, to play the Devil's Advocate, the result of slavery in America is that their descendants enjoy a standard of living FAR in excess of what they would had they remained in western Africa. You have all these people screaming that African Americans today are still suffering because of slavery... UHH, would they be better off in Ghana or Sierra Leone?

i meant more like, back a couple thousand years ago, slaves were majority captured on the battlefield.
what would have happened to them if slavery wasn't a thing?
the answer to that is that several would have just been killed instead.
that brings the ethical question of "is living a slave better than getting your head chopped off?"

some other people actively chose to become a slave, cause they were so damn poor that they would starve to death anyway, so they became a slave in exhange for food and shelter.
i don't know for sure, but i have to imagine that these would be more household slaves than silver mine slaves.

then you have the societal progress question of, if people like Sokrates, Pythagoras, Hippokrates etc didn't have a slave to care of the household, how much time would they be able to spend on their studies?
could they have figured out the Pythagorean theorem or Hippocratic theories if they had to spend all day cleaning the house, fixing up dinner etc?
(i'm assuming they had slaves, cause just about anyone who could, did)
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k darkfire posted...

But, slavery had a net benefit on the free became superior in ways to the oppressors. Slavery led to Blacks being equal to Whites and harmony in the World.

^ wont be modded for this post.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

I find it wild that people think this is a proper discussion for 4th graders or that they'd be capable of having a nuanced conversation on the trans Atlantic slave trade.

You guys are so damn kooky with your partisan defenses all I can do is laugh. Thankfully society doesn't take you too seriously

How do you know it was about the Transatlantic Slave Trade? To me it seems like the question was about slavery in general, which has existed in pretty much all civilizations.
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The Admiral posted...

I think it's probably also be worth teaching kids (and adults, since I doubt most of you know) that slavery still exists today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17/this-map-shows-where-the-worlds-30-million-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/

We think of slavery as a practice of the past, an image from Roman colonies or 18th-century American plantations, but the practice of enslaving human beings as property still exists. There are 29.8 million people living as slaves right now, according to a comprehensive new report issued by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation.

This is not some softened, by-modern-standards definition of slavery. These 30 million people are living as forced laborers, forced prostitutes, child soldiers, child brides in forced marriages and, in all ways that matter, as pieces of property, chattel in the servitude of absolute ownership. Walk Free investigated 162 countries and found slaves in every single one. But the practice is far worse in some countries than others.

We should ask those kids to list some good reasons for this...
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

k darkfire posted...

But, slavery had a net benefit on the free became superior in ways to the oppressors. Slavery led to Blacks being equal to Whites and harmony in the World.

^ wont be modded for this post.

I said nothing wrong.

Ulyanyx posted...

>kidnapping

you do realize that tribes would trade away their own people for goods, right? like full on willingly trade their own people for stuff?

I'm sure the distinction mattered greatly to the abductees. -_-
Also are you under the impression that they only took slaves in the form of transactions between tribes?
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TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

I think it's probably also be worth teaching kids (and adults, since I doubt most of you know) that slavery still exists today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17/this-map-shows-where-the-worlds-30-million-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/

We think of slavery as a practice of the past, an image from Roman colonies or 18th-century American plantations, but the practice of enslaving human beings as property still exists. There are 29.8 million people living as slaves right now, according to a comprehensive new report issued by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation.

This is not some softened, by-modern-standards definition of slavery. These 30 million people are living as forced laborers, forced prostitutes, child soldiers, child brides in forced marriages and, in all ways that matter, as pieces of property, chattel in the servitude of absolute ownership. Walk Free investigated 162 countries and found slaves in every single one. But the practice is far worse in some countries than others.

We should ask those kids to list some good reasons for this...

I'd like to ask you why you're so much angrier about slavery that happened 300 years ago than you are about slavery happening today.
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The Admiral posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

I think it's probably also be worth teaching kids (and adults, since I doubt most of you know) that slavery still exists today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17/this-map-shows-where-the-worlds-30-million-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/

We think of slavery as a practice of the past, an image from Roman colonies or 18th-century American plantations, but the practice of enslaving human beings as property still exists. There are 29.8 million people living as slaves right now, according to a comprehensive new report issued by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation.

This is not some softened, by-modern-standards definition of slavery. These 30 million people are living as forced laborers, forced prostitutes, child soldiers, child brides in forced marriages and, in all ways that matter, as pieces of property, chattel in the servitude of absolute ownership. Walk Free investigated 162 countries and found slaves in every single one. But the practice is far worse in some countries than others.

We should ask those kids to list some good reasons for this...

I'd like to ask you why you're so much angrier about slavery that happened 300 years ago than you are about slavery today.

who said i'm not angry about this?
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TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

I think it's probably also be worth teaching kids (and adults, since I doubt most of you know) that slavery still exists today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17/this-map-shows-where-the-worlds-30-million-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/

We think of slavery as a practice of the past, an image from Roman colonies or 18th-century American plantations, but the practice of enslaving human beings as property still exists. There are 29.8 million people living as slaves right now, according to a comprehensive new report issued by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation.

This is not some softened, by-modern-standards definition of slavery. These 30 million people are living as forced laborers, forced prostitutes, child soldiers, child brides in forced marriages and, in all ways that matter, as pieces of property, chattel in the servitude of absolute ownership. Walk Free investigated 162 countries and found slaves in every single one. But the practice is far worse in some countries than others.

We should ask those kids to list some good reasons for this...

I'd like to ask you why you're so much angrier about slavery that happened 300 years ago than you are about slavery today.

who said i'm not angry about this?

Your lack of ever mentioning it, for one.
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The Admiral posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

I think it's probably also be worth teaching kids (and adults, since I doubt most of you know) that slavery still exists today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17/this-map-shows-where-the-worlds-30-million-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/

We think of slavery as a practice of the past, an image from Roman colonies or 18th-century American plantations, but the practice of enslaving human beings as property still exists. There are 29.8 million people living as slaves right now, according to a comprehensive new report issued by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation.

This is not some softened, by-modern-standards definition of slavery. These 30 million people are living as forced laborers, forced prostitutes, child soldiers, child brides in forced marriages and, in all ways that matter, as pieces of property, chattel in the servitude of absolute ownership. Walk Free investigated 162 countries and found slaves in every single one. But the practice is far worse in some countries than others.

We should ask those kids to list some good reasons for this...

I'd like to ask you why you're so much angrier about slavery that happened 300 years ago than you are about slavery today.

who said i'm not angry about this?

Your lack of ever mentioning it, for one.

Someone not mentioning something means they aren't angry about it? That's some bad logic

The Admiral posted...

I'd like to ask you why you're so much angrier about slavery that happened 300 years ago than you are about slavery happening today.

And I'd also ask you why you perceive him to be more angry about the older one that on the present.
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The Admiral posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

I think it's probably also be worth teaching kids (and adults, since I doubt most of you know) that slavery still exists today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17/this-map-shows-where-the-worlds-30-million-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/

We think of slavery as a practice of the past, an image from Roman colonies or 18th-century American plantations, but the practice of enslaving human beings as property still exists. There are 29.8 million people living as slaves right now, according to a comprehensive new report issued by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation.

This is not some softened, by-modern-standards definition of slavery. These 30 million people are living as forced laborers, forced prostitutes, child soldiers, child brides in forced marriages and, in all ways that matter, as pieces of property, chattel in the servitude of absolute ownership. Walk Free investigated 162 countries and found slaves in every single one. But the practice is far worse in some countries than others.

We should ask those kids to list some good reasons for this...

I'd like to ask you why you're so much angrier about slavery that happened 300 years ago than you are about slavery today.

who said i'm not angry about this?

Your lack of ever mentioning it, for one.

why would i mention it in this topic? Nice deflection. Slavery going on today is just as bad as slavery that happened years ago. there are no GOOD reasons for either. Your argument implies that we need to teach kids that there were maybe some good reasons for slavery years ago...so since you think there were good reasons for slavery 300 years ago, i ask, do you think there are good reasons for the slavery you brought up, going on today?
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Interesting that the usual suspects are ok with this but dislike it when sjws on tumblr hate white people.
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It should've been worded differently and I don't think 4th graders are really old enough for a debate like this anyway, but I don't think its that bad. You know, assuming it meant like "3 reasons why people wanted to use slaves and 3 reasons why it was a bad thing" and not just "3 reasons why it was good". Even then, you can find some benefits in all negative things and atrocities, that doesn't mean it was good for them to happen, though again, I don't think its really something kids that young would understand. Calling it "oppressive" is a bit much though lol.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Ulyanyx posted...

>kidnapping

you do realize that tribes would trade away their own people for goods, right? like full on willingly trade their own people for stuff?

I'm sure the distinction mattered greatly to the abductees. -_-
Also are you under the impression that they only took slaves in the form of transactions between tribes?

considering they weren't kidnapped but traded, yeah i assume that distinction would be worse. i'd rather be kidnapped and forced to work than to watch my family sell me for grain/oxen/etc.

although re-reading what i posted, it definitely comes off that i think kidnapping didn't happen. i would say it did, but not as often as slaves were traded. tribes would enslave other tribes, sell people from tribes etc.

i mean, (this is probably going to be a terrible thing to read) if you think about it, a tribe conquering another tribe and so to speak, "breaking in" slaves to sell if probably the most common occurrence of that time.

regardless, to assume that they were only kidnapped is foolish.
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LightningAce11 posted...

Interesting that the usual suspects are ok with this but dislike it when sjws on tumblr hate white people.

its getting more and more obvious by the day that they're genuine racist shit bags.
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btw, some of you should read this article about a guy whos family had a slave in present day in america
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/lolas-story/524490/

it's absolutely heart-wrenching at times
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How many of those slaves sold by africans in africa were willingly letting themselves be sold?
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TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

I think it's probably also be worth teaching kids (and adults, since I doubt most of you know) that slavery still exists today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17/this-map-shows-where-the-worlds-30-million-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/

We think of slavery as a practice of the past, an image from Roman colonies or 18th-century American plantations, but the practice of enslaving human beings as property still exists. There are 29.8 million people living as slaves right now, according to a comprehensive new report issued by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation.

This is not some softened, by-modern-standards definition of slavery. These 30 million people are living as forced laborers, forced prostitutes, child soldiers, child brides in forced marriages and, in all ways that matter, as pieces of property, chattel in the servitude of absolute ownership. Walk Free investigated 162 countries and found slaves in every single one. But the practice is far worse in some countries than others.

We should ask those kids to list some good reasons for this...

I'd like to ask you why you're so much angrier about slavery that happened 300 years ago than you are about slavery today.

who said i'm not angry about this?

Your lack of ever mentioning it, for one.

why would i mention it in this topic? Nice deflection. Slavery going on today is just as bad as slavery that happened years ago. there are no GOOD reasons for either. Your argument implies that we need to teach kids that there were maybe some good reasons for slavery years ago...so since you think there were good reasons for slavery 300 years ago, i ask, do you think there are good reasons for the slavery you brought up, going on today?

i suggest you go to a community college and get some reading comprehension classes in.

even reading the paper, "good" is used in a context that implies there were reasons slaves were owned (i.e. cutting costs by not having to pay people for work) but not that it was a good thing.
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asking people to discuss "good" reasons for slavery is something that belongs in a college debate event, not a 4th grade homework assignment.
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Ulyanyx posted...

even reading the paper, "good" is used in a context that implies there were reasons slaves were owned (i.e. cutting costs by not having to pay people for work) but not that it was a good thing.

Yes, as we all know, 4th graders are fully capable of understanding the complexities of the issue and being able to put it in context
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ChromaticAngel posted...

asking people to discuss "good" reasons for slavery is something that belongs in a college debate event, not a 4th grade homework assignment.

Why do you think 4th graders are too young for this kind of discussion? You think they're more than old enough to be taught that someone born a boy is really a girl, and don't worry about the confusion there. This seems much more intuitive than that.
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Ulyanyx posted...

regardless, to assume that they were only kidnapped is foolish.

Nobody thinks this, nobody possibly could because people are always quick as fuck to point out how "blacks were complicit in slavery too!"
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Ulyanyx posted...

i suggest you go to a community college and get some reading comprehension classes in.

You sure got me with that one...This is in context to a 4th grade assignment. no 4th grader is thinking about it in that way. Plus, even if you can rationalize the good that came from work that slaves did...that is still not a good reason to OWN A SLAVE or ENSLAVE ANYONE...you can't turn this into a positive thing no matter how you try and rationalize it.
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The Admiral posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

asking people to discuss "good" reasons for slavery is something that belongs in a college debate event, not a 4th grade homework assignment.

Why do you think 4th graders are too young for this kind of discussion? You think they're more than old enough to be taught that someone born a boy is really a girl, and don't worry about the confusion there. This seems much more intuitive than that.

I don't think 4th graders should be asked to list "good" reasons to ban transgender surgery either.

Teaching them about the subject of slavery is fine, asking them to defend it is not.
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The Admiral posted...

Why do you think 4th graders are too young for this kind of discussion? You think they're more than old enough to be taught that someone born a boy is really a girl, and don't worry about the confusion there. This seems much more intuitive than that

That has absolutely nothing to do with this subject and likewise I'm sure it's something you have an issue with. So, following your own logic, how is that bad and this okay?

And likewise I don't think they are proper because I have coached as well as interned places where I was responsible for them. If you think a 4th grader could handle those discussions then you're revealing your pure ignorance of how children are and their capabilities.
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The Admiral posted...

This seems much more intuitive than that.

"Pondering the merits of slavery is more intuitive to kids than just telling them someone feels like they were born in the wrong body, as if they were born without legs or some other handicap or deformity." ~ Addy
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Ulyanyx posted...

ROBANN_88 posted...

if they meant the colonial kind of kidnapping from Africa and have them handpick sugar canes etc, it's all shit

however, had they gone with the pre-medieval kind, you could in theory make an argument.
it would still be like walking in a mine-field, but if you're good you could make it, i think

>kidnapping

you do realize that tribes would trade away their own people for goods, right? like full on willingly trade their own people for stuff?

i mean, that was an unimportant simplification to get to the point i was actually trying to make.
of course i know some were traded for.

though, you could make the argument then that just means the "kidnapping" happened at an earlier stage by the other Africans, since i doubt many of them went by their own choice.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Teaching them about the subject of slavery is fine, asking them to defend it is not.

This.

I mean, let's pretend it said "justifications" instead of "good reasons". What are three justifications for slavery that 4th graders could come up with?
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Asherlee10 posted...

Some of the posts in this topic are more abrasive, unempathetic, and kind of upsetting than I expected. :(

Here's a picture of a cute dog to cheer you up


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It's simply poor wording. I'm a history teacher myself (I teach in an inner city school where 90% of the population is black) and I've done a similar exercise like this only I worded it as list the justifications that society/slave owners gave for owning slaves/allowing slavery. I understand what the teacher was trying to go for, but labeling it as "good", even with the quotation marks, is a poor choice.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Our Redeemer Lutheran School

Of course it's a christian school

And who the fuck asks 4th graders to justify slavery

justaguy3492 posted...

I'm a history teacher myself (I teach in an inner city school where 90% of the population is black) and I've done a similar exercise like this

With 4th graders?


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justaguy3492 posted...

It's simply poor wording. I'm a history teacher myself (I teach in an inner city school where 90% of the population is black) and I've done a similar exercise like this only I worded it as list the justifications that society/slave owners gave for owning slaves/allowing slavery. I understand what the teacher was trying to go for, but labeling it as "good", even with the quotation marks, is a poor choice.

This right here. I sincerely hope the parents know this, too.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

justaguy3492 posted...

I'm a history teacher myself (I teach in an inner city school where 90% of the population is black) and I've done a similar exercise like this

With 4th graders?

Should have specified, I teach high school. I think i would have gotten some flack for asking them the "good" reasons for slavery too, but like I said if you are talking about the societal justifications for slavery that is a more than acceptable topic.
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