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darkknight109
01/06/18 1:29:55 AM
#51:


Zeus posted...
Except no, that wasn't the claim. I said that he makes crazy gestures while mocking people on a weekly basis. As for my source, it's Trump.

So then how does him making random gestures while not mocking people (I.E. the pictures you posted) in any way back-up that claim?

Zeus posted...
Again, what's the alternative claim here? That Trump not only knew that the man was disabled but that he studied videos of him (which likely don't exist in the first place) in detail so he could know how to imitate him?

Given that one look at the guy shows he's disabled (his condition is pretty apparent), Trump would hardly need to have looked up videos of him; not to mention, this reporter had covered Trump for six years, so it's not like he was an unfamiliar face. There's also the point that Trump was holding his arm in pretty much the exact way that the reporter's arthrogryposis afflicts him:

https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/trump-reporter.jpg?quality=85&strip=all

Zeus posted...
Occam's Razor cuts through your bullshit argument.

Occam's Razor is a problem solving philosophy that involves minimizing assumptions in competing hypotheses, and is of limited use here. That said, if you want to use the internet version - "The simplest explanation is likely true", then which is the simpler explanation?
-Donald Trump mocked a disabled reporter by imitating his disability
OR
-Donald Trump was unaware of the reporter's disability, despite having been interviewed by him for years, and, through sheer random happenstance, happened to move in a way that was uncannily similar to the reporter's disability while giving an unflattering impersonation of him?

Zeus posted...
Trump constantly gestures, especially when mocking people. There's nothing here to suggest that it was unique and I have to question your motives if you're buying into this manufactroversy.

That's what we asked you to prove and you have yet to do so.

Again, if Trump routinely flails around while mocking people in a way heavily reminiscent of someone with a disability, it should be a relatively straightforward exercise for you to show us another instance of him doing so while mocking someone who isn't disabled.

Strangely, of all the clips I've seen of him mocking someone (with or without gesturing), I've never seen another that could be misinterpreted as mocking a disability.

But, again, I've already admitted I don't watch too many Trump clips. I'm sure you can set me straight with an example, of which you've already stated multiple times that there are many.

Zeus posted...
Then your agenda and method both suck, especially given that you cite measurable evidence instead of taking the route of the people whose viewpoints you're parroting have enough sense to claim "immeasurable damage" so they don't have to prove shit, a judgment that you apparently lack (most likely because you're parroting their views rather than holding your own). Your entire approach is emblematic of the partisan hackery which has divided our nation for roughly 20 years now.

I think you're mistaking "parroting other people's views" with "having a political opinion that's different from mine, which confuses and frightens me". Don't worry, people way too enmeshed in partisanship and cults of personality get those mixed up all the time. I'm sure you'll learn how to deal with those once you get a bit older.
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Ihateyou
01/06/18 1:37:49 AM
#52:


Blighboy posted...
Remember when Trump made fun of a handicapped reporter.


What is an invalid doing reporting on anything anyway? You'd think those people would try to stay out of sight
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Blighboy
01/06/18 9:22:17 AM
#53:


darkknight109 posted...
Occam's Razor is a problem solving philosophy that involves minimizing assumptions in competing hypotheses, and is of limited use here. That said, if you want to use the internet version - "The simplest explanation is likely true", then which is the simpler explanation?
-Donald Trump mocked a disabled reporter by imitating his disability
OR
-Donald Trump was unaware of the reporter's disability, despite having been interviewed by him for years, and, through sheer random happenstance, happened to move in a way that was uncannily similar to the reporter's disability while giving an unflattering impersonation of him?

Keep in mind Zeus believes the simplest explanation for people carrying nazi flags is the presence of definitely-not-nazis.
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AC_Dragonfire
01/06/18 2:28:29 PM
#54:


@Zeus stop beating off to the same meme over and over again. You're like an old married man who can't make up new jokes.
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Zeus
01/06/18 8:38:47 PM
#55:


AC_Dragonfire posted...
@ Zeus stop beating off to the same meme over and over again. You're like an old married man who can't make up new jokes.


@AC_Dragonfire

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None of your shit makes sense, even the "what?" insult you tossed in there. While I could encourage you to stop babbling by being more direct, I thought you could take a hint with the image.

darkknight109 posted...
So then how does him making random gestures while not mocking people (I.E. the pictures you posted) in any way back-up that claim?


Because it demonstrates a general tendency... If somebody is constantly gesticulating, any specific action is less likely to be an intentioned, considered act. And for your conspiracy theory to work, it would NEED to be a pre-planned, researched move.

darkknight109 posted...

Given that one look at the guy shows he's disabled (his condition is pretty apparent), Trump would hardly need to have looked up videos of him; not to mention, this reporter had covered Trump for six years, so it's not like he was an unfamiliar face. There's also the point that Trump was holding his arm in pretty much the exact way that the reporter's arthrogryposis afflicts him:

https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/trump-reporter.jpg?quality=85&strip=all


That's your best image and it's not even close. More importantly, I seem to recall that was a photo taken AFTER the event. When you consider that the reporter -- who has financial incentive to garner attention -- could mirror Trump rather than the other way around, the case is even weaker.

darkknight109 posted...
Occam's Razor is a problem solving philosophy that involves minimizing assumptions in competing hypotheses, and is of limited use here. That said, if you want to use the internet version - "The simplest explanation is likely true", then which is the simpler explanation?
-Donald Trump mocked a disabled reporter by imitating his disability
OR
-Donald Trump was unaware of the reporter's disability, despite having been interviewed by him for years, and, through sheer random happenstance, happened to move in a way that was uncannily similar to the reporter's disability while giving an unflattering impersonation of him?


Care to back up that claim about having been interviewed by him in-person for years? Last I checked, Sergei isn't a tv journalist. He's most likely to talk to him by phone and, of course, is one of countless other reporters to do so. You act like the two of them were roommates. The reality is that if Trump ever met Sergei in person at all, it would have been decades ago and it's unlikely that he'd remember at all (unless you take seriously his claim of having "the best memory" at which point you'd arguably also have to take seriously his claim of not remembering because, you know, consistency when taking his word; otherwise, if he criticize Trump's memory, it supports Trump's clam that he wouldn't remember -- which isn't an unreasonable suggestion, considering that people I interacted with regularly for a few years don't necessarily remember me even a decade later without prompting details).

Again, nothing strongly suggests that Trump even knew how to specifically mock the disability, therefore making it unlikely that he had intended to mock the disability.
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Zeus
01/06/18 8:44:49 PM
#56:


darkknight109 posted...
That's what we asked you to prove and you have yet to do so.

Again, if Trump routinely flails around while mocking people in a way heavily reminiscent of someone with a disability, it should be a relatively straightforward exercise for you to show us another instance of him doing so while mocking someone who isn't disabled.

Strangely, of all the clips I've seen of him mocking someone (with or without gesturing), I've never seen another that could be misinterpreted as mocking a disability.

But, again, I've already admitted I don't watch too many Trump clips. I'm sure you can set me straight with an example, of which you've already stated multiple times that there are many.


He literally gestures all the time. Many of his gestures when specifically mocking somebody or something could be willfully misconstrued as mocking a disability if a disabled person then photographs himself in a similar stance. Alternatively this once again brings us back to you relying on Trump's memory -- which you frequently criticize -- and relying on his ability to plan -- which you also criticize -- for it to work.

darkknight109 posted...
I think you're mistaking "parroting other people's views" with "having a political opinion that's different from mine, which confuses and frightens me". Don't worry, people way too enmeshed in partisanship and cults of personality get those mixed up all the time. I'm sure you'll learn how to deal with those once you get a bit older.


And I think your partisan hackery has blinded you to the point where any criticism in your obviously wrong belief -- which you'd see if you were blinded, mind you -- makes somebody firmly in the opposition camp. Frankly, you've already admitted you're deeply embedded in the #NeverTrump and #Resist camps so pretending that you're nonpartisan is folly, especially when you complain about your implausible suggestions being undermined by a plausible one.
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Zeus
01/06/18 8:49:41 PM
#57:


Blighboy posted...
darkknight109 posted...
Occam's Razor is a problem solving philosophy that involves minimizing assumptions in competing hypotheses, and is of limited use here. That said, if you want to use the internet version - "The simplest explanation is likely true", then which is the simpler explanation?
-Donald Trump mocked a disabled reporter by imitating his disability
OR
-Donald Trump was unaware of the reporter's disability, despite having been interviewed by him for years, and, through sheer random happenstance, happened to move in a way that was uncannily similar to the reporter's disability while giving an unflattering impersonation of him?

Keep in mind Zeus believes the simplest explanation for people carrying nazi flags is the presence of definitely-not-nazis.


Keep in mind that Blighboy believes that Nazis don't age which is why most of the crowd didn't even look old enough to be the grandchildren of Nazis. More importantly, Bligh believes that an entire crowd's beliefs aren't represented by its organizers or leaders, but instead by any random person who wants into the group with a sign. Therefore I guess if somebody had walked into the group with a rainbow flag (which they might have, it was a huge group and people were walking in & out of it), then it's automatically a LGBT rally.
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darkknight109
01/06/18 9:11:31 PM
#58:


Zeus posted...
And for your conspiracy theory to work, it would NEED to be a pre-planned, researched move.

Wait, you need research and planning to make gestures to mock people?

Zeus posted...
That's your best image and it's not even close.

It's actually something I came up with after about 15 seconds on google, but whatever. If that fits your definition of "it's not even close", I think you're probably beyond my help.

Zeus posted...
More importantly, I seem to recall that was a photo taken AFTER the event. When you consider that the reporter -- who has financial incentive to garner attention -- could mirror Trump rather than the other way around, the case is even weaker.

It's actually kind of sad how far you're trying to reach on this now - blaming the disabled guy for his posture rather than the guy mocking him? Really, Zeus?

By the way, here's a picture of him from 2008 in that exact same pose. Unless he's a psychic, I'm pretty sure he's not imitating Trump there. http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Serge-Kovaleski-New-York-Times-reporter-pics.jpg

Or, y'know, just google his name and you'll see that he's not only not "mirroring Trump", his disability doesn't let him hold his hand in any other posture.

Zeus posted...
Care to back up that claim about having been interviewed by him in-person for years?

Sure.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/reporter-donald-trump-mocked-spent-day-mogul-1989-article-1.2448381
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/11/30/another-witness-contradicts-donald-trumps-claims-about-disabled-reporter/?utm_term=.6310a026021c
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darkknight109
01/06/18 9:11:34 PM
#59:


Zeus posted...
He's most likely to talk to him by phone and, of course, is one of countless other reporters to do so.

I mean, Trump did say immediately before he started flailing his arms around "Now, the poor guy, you ought to see the guy." Kinda makes me think he knew what he looked like.

Zeus posted...
Many of his gestures when specifically mocking somebody or something could be willfully misconstrued as mocking a disability if a disabled person then photographs himself in a similar stance.

You've said this several times now and have yet to back it up, despite several of us asking you to. So go ahead and do so. Again, if he has a habit of looking like he's mocking a disabled person while gesturing and he does it "literally all the time", it should be child's play to show it.

Zeus posted...
Alternatively this once again brings us back to you relying on Trump's memory - which you frequently criticize

Source on me criticizing Trump's memory, please.

I criticize Trump's inability to plan all the time, that I'll agree with. I don't recall ever criticizing his memory, and certainly not "frequently".

Zeus posted...
Again, nothing strongly suggests that Trump even knew how to specifically mock the disability, therefore making it unlikely that he had intended to mock the disability.


I mean, Trump did say immediately before he started flailing his arms around "Now, the poor guy, you ought to see the guy." Kinda makes me think he knew what he looked like.

Zeus posted...
And I think your partisan hackery has blinded you to the point where any criticism in your obviously wrong belief -- which you'd see if you were blinded, mind you -- makes somebody firmly in the opposition camp

Translation: "Someone has a different political belief than me and that terrifies me, so instead of accepting that people have different political beliefs, I'll just call them wrong and blind and hope no one notices."

Also, "partisan hackery" - I like that. Your sense of irony is impeccable.

Zeus posted...
Frankly, you've already admitted you're deeply embedded in the #NeverTrump and #Resist camps

Hard for me to admit that when I don't even know what those are. I'm not on any form of social media, so any word with a hashtag next to it pretty much gets ignored.

Zeus posted...
so pretending that you're nonpartisan is folly

I've never pretended to be non-partisan, because no one save the uninformed is truly non-partisan; everyone, everywhere has an agenda or they wouldn't be talking. Anyone who claims otherwise is either ignorant or a liar.
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PKMNsony
01/06/18 9:12:14 PM
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Its like when you have two idiots arguing on YouTube or gamefaqs.
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Blighboy
01/06/18 10:48:29 PM
#61:


Zeus posted...
Therefore I guess if somebody had walked into the group with a rainbow flag (which they might have, it was a huge group and people were walking in & out of it), then it's automatically a LGBT rally.

Nah then you might actually have criticised it.
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SteamedHams
01/06/18 11:43:50 PM
#62:


Blighboy posted...
Zeus posted...
Therefore I guess if somebody had walked into the group with a rainbow flag (which they might have, it was a huge group and people were walking in & out of it), then it's automatically a LGBT rally.

Nah then you might actually have criticised it.


Or if a black person killed a white person it would have been BLM terrorism for sure
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AC_Dragonfire
01/07/18 3:49:48 PM
#63:


Zeus posted...
None of your s*** makes sense, even the "what?" insult you tossed in there. While I could encourage you to stop babbling by being more direct, I thought you could take a hint with the image.

Take a hint bruh, you aint the only chief in this tribe.

PKMNsony posted...
Its like when you have two idiots arguing on YouTube or gamefaqs.

Gamefaqs is high IQ arguing.
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