Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 2: The Continuation (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

(+) Yeah! (+)

also I was looking at my times and 3-4, 3-1, and 1-1 combined are shorter than E1-4, so I can hopefully pick up a little momentum once I finish here

although E1-4 is basically a middle of the road case in terms of length (about 5 hours) so this is going to take me a long time either way
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i believe in you leon chan!
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maybe part of it is starting with a case I've never been super fond of and I'll never be able to come around on for various reasons

c'mon 3-4
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that's what ya get for doing chronological
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but the good news is once I'm done I won't have to play it again for a long time
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as of the end of E1-4 Middle, Manfred had more lines than Kay

I imagine that will change by the end
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that's not too surprising. Kay is absent through a lot of E1-4.
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I think it was more Manfred having a lot more to say than I remembered. I thought his role in E1-4 was just a bit part.

I mean, it kind of is, but I thought it was shorter than it is.
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trying to figure out if I should count "I won't rest until I've inspected every suspicious-looking nook and cranny" every time Edgeworth says it or just count it once for all

also I forgot that the AAI games have unique dialogue for game overs depending on when you lose so that's even more stuff I have to figure out if I want to do or not
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yeah the "procedural" and "non-canon" stuff is tough

like... do you count penalties?
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SeabassDebeste posted...

yeah the "procedural" and "non-canon" stuff is tough

like... do you count penalties?

I've been trying to count the dialogue if it's unique (and it often is outside of the OT and AJ), but sometimes there are multiple penalty dialogues and you get them at random, so I can't tell if I've gotten them all or not. It also means I have to restart a ton because the gauge either runs out or gets really low.
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yeah, what you're doing would probably make me hate the experience. hope you're enjoying it?
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Well, I'm reminding myself that it doesn't have to be 100% accurate because I doubt the rankings are going to come down to whether I missed a wrong answer dialogue or two along the way. I just want to be consistent in my methods more than anything else, even if I miss some stuff.
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All right, E1-4 complete! Since this is the first case, some of these numbers will be a bit redundant, but here they are!

Total lines by character:

1. Miles Edgeworth - 1328 (45.25%)
2. Franziska von Karma - 519 (17.68%)
3. Calisto Yew - 256 (8.72%)
4. Dick Gumshoe - 243 (8.28%)
5. Tyrell Badd - 242 (8.25%)
6. The Judge - 132 (4.50%)
7. Kay Faraday - 99 (3.37%)
8. Manfred von Karma - 68 (2.32%)
9. Other - 36 (1.23%)
10. Mack Rell - 5
11. Shi-Long Lang - 3
12. Byrne Faraday - 2
13. Manny Coachen - 2

Total lines by segment:

E1-4 Middle - 1030
E1-4 End - 979
E1-4 Beginning - 926

Total lines by case:

E1-4 - 2935

Totals lines by game:

AAI1 - 2935

Total lines by character per case:

Turnabout Reminiscence (E1-4)

1. Miles Edgeworth - 1328 (45.25%)
2. Franziska von Karma - 519 (17.68%)
3. Calisto Yew - 256 (8.72%)
4. Dick Gumshoe - 243 (8.28%)
5. Tyrell Badd - 242 (8.25%)
6. The Judge - 132 (4.50%)
7. Kay Faraday - 99 (3.37%)
8. Manfred von Karma - 68 (2.32%)
9. Other - 36 (1.23%)
10. Mack Rell - 5
11. Shi-Long Lang - 3
12. Byrne Faraday - 2
13. Manny Coachen - 2

Total lines by character per game:

Ace Attorney Investigations

1. Miles Edgeworth - 1328 (45.25%)
2. Franziska von Karma - 519 (17.68%)
3. Calisto Yew - 256 (8.72%)
4. Dick Gumshoe - 243 (8.28%)
5. Tyrell Badd - 242 (8.25%)
6. The Judge - 132 (4.50%)
7. Kay Faraday - 99 (3.37%)
8. Manfred von Karma - 68 (2.32%)
9. Other - 36 (1.23%)
10. Mack Rell - 5
11. Shi-Long Lang - 3
12. Byrne Faraday - 2
13. Manny Coachen - 2

Most lines per case:

Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 1328

Highest percentage of lines per case:

Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 45.25%

Testimonies by character:

1. Calisto Yew - 21 lines/5 testimonies
2. Franziska von Karma - 10 lines/2 testimonies
3. The Judge - 10 lines/2 testimonies
4. Tyrell Badd - 6 lines/1 testimony
5. Dick Gumshoe - 4 lines/1 testimony

Edgeworth/Franziska had almost 63% of the total dialogue, and Franziska had twice as much as the three below her. So yeah, playable characters and assistants are going to slaughter this thing. I'm curious to see how the distribution changes for the mainline games. We're going to have three trial-only cases before we hit the first full-length case though.
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beginning/middle/end with a nice distribution! that'll change.

I would honestly only go with required dialogue. it's a big enough task as is.
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i would, too - but it's hard to know exactly what's essential and what isn't
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Well, I'll probably go for a lot of the optional conversations and whatnot with mass evidence/profile presenting since that's just how I like to play, but I'll just cut back on going for all the wrong answer dialogue. It's having to spam saves and restart so much because you get game overs that's the pain (although that wouldn't be a problem for DD and SoJ since you can instantly reset to where it went wrong).

of course that means E1-4 will have an unfair advantage...!
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"Why, Mr. Edgeworth...I'm not sure I like you wagging your finger at me as though I were some hoser!"

still possibly the greatest line in the series
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I wouldn't be too worried about e1-4 unless you're just nuts.

time to make Leon speed run the games and see if he can let it go and move on
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transcience posted...

time to make Leon speed run the games and see if he can let it go and move on

NEVER
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Yeah, 3-4 feels like it's going a lot more smoothly. Could be a combo of great case, being a simpler format, and just getting used to doing this.
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court is probably a lot simpler. I expect AAI2 to be the worst, especially E2-5, because there's like 17 characters on-screen at the end there.
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Made it to the save point in 3-4. If this pattern of line distribution is consistent across all the cases (or at least reasonably close), I feel pretty good about one of my predictions!
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"Ms. Fey must be truly desperate if she's trying to bring back the dead."

the multiple layers of irony in that line just dawned on me for the first time

I'm also realizing the irony of Mia suggesting that Dahlia would've died by landing on the bedrock if she was pushed off the bridge as she claimed
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ah T&T Allegro

I've missed you, old friend
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LeonhartFour posted...

Edgeworth/Franziska had almost 63% of the total dialogue, and Franziska had twice as much as the three below her. So yeah, playable characters and assistants are going to slaughter this thing. I'm curious to see how the distribution changes for the mainline games. We're going to have three trial-only cases before we hit the first full-length case though.

I'm mostly interested to see what % of dialog the prosecutor has, since that's a dynamic absent in AAI. The judge too, for that matter.

Obviously main + assistant are gonna slaughter investigations though.
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Man, even without the aftermath, the final testimony in 3-4 might be a top ten cross-examination for the series.

also I guess it should've been obvious but I'm also wondering if the reason why Valerie and Dahlia set up Fawles to take the fall was because Iris backed out of the plan last minute and they had to improvise? maybe the plan wasn't originally to have him be the scapegoat?

not sure why I'm suddenly considering so many things on 3-4 I hadn't considered until now

either way I'm nearly done so numbers will be forthcoming soonish
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Total lines by segment:

3-4 - 1226
E1-4 Middle - 1030
E1-4 End - 979
E1-4 Beginning - 926

Total lines by case:

E1-4 - 2935
3-4 - 1226

Totals lines by game:

AAI1 - 2935
T&T - 1226

Total lines by character per case:

Turnabout Beginnings (3-4)

1. Mia Fey - 436 (35.56%)
2. The Judge's Brother - 221 (18.03%)
3. Miles Edgeworth - 164 (13.38%)
4. Dahlia Hawthorne - 155 (12.64%)
5. Diego Armando - 112 (9.14%)
6. Terry Fawles - 74 (6.04%)
7. Dick Gumshoe - 58 (4.73%)
8. Valerie Hawthorne - 3
9. Phoenix Wright - 2

Most lines per case:

Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 1328
Mia Fey (3-4) - 436

Highest percentage of lines per case:

Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 45.25%
Mia Fey (3-4) - 35.56%

Testimonies by character:

1. Dahlia Hawthorne - 26 lines/4 testimonies
2. Calisto Yew - 21 lines/5 testimonies
3. Dick Gumshoe - 15 lines/3 testimonies
4. Franziska von Karma - 10 lines/2 testimonies
5. The Judge - 10 lines/2 testimonies
6. Tyrell Badd - 6 lines/1 testimony
7. Terry Fawles - 6 lines/1 testimony

Total lines by character:

1. Miles Edgeworth - 1492
2. Franziska von Karma - 519
3. Mia Fey - 436
4. Dick Gumshoe - 301
5. Calisto Yew - 256
6. Tyrell Badd - 242
7. The Judge's Brother - 221
8. Dahlia Hawthorne - 155
9. The Judge - 132
10. Godot - 112
11. Kay Faraday - 99
12. Terry Fawles - 74
13. Manfred von Karma - 68
14. Other - 37
15. Mack Rell - 5
16. Shi-Long Lang - 3
17. Valerie Hawthorne - 3
18. Byrne Faraday - 2
19. Manny Coachen - 2
20. Phoenix Wright - 2

The line distribution for the first and second part of 3-4 was rather weird. Judge's Brother was way ahead of Edgeworth and Dahlia on the first part, but the three of them were practically equal on the second part (all within 10 lines of each other). Unsurprisingly, nearly all of Fawles's stuff comes in the second half. He only has 12 lines in the first part.
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There's something funny about seeing Phoenix in last place. Keep up the good work!
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well it's kind of unfair to Phoenix because he has a decently long uninterrupted monologue at the beginning and at the end but that only counts as one line for the purposes of this tabulation
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It's both unfair and obviously not going to last, but it's still funny.
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yeah I enjoy Valerie having more lines than Phoenix too

which will last until 3-1's intro cutscene but hey
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bleh, forgot about 3-1 when i hazarded that edgeworth could outlast phoenix through the end of 1-3
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Yeah, I still think he's got a good chance of outlasting him through 1-2, but 1-3 will probably be too much.
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at least AA1 has 3 trial days and shorter investigations! more time for Edgeworth to shine

then again, I don't think you meet meet Edgeworth outside of the courthouse in 1-2 or 1-3
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transcience posted...

then again, I don't think you meet meet Edgeworth outside of the courthouse in 1-2 or 1-3

Nope, he only appears in investigation segments in 1-4 and 1-5 in the first game.
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Total lines by segment:

3-4 - 1226
3-1 - 1167
E1-4 Middle - 1030
E1-4 End - 979
E1-4 Beginning - 926

Total lines by case:

E1-4 - 2935
3-4 - 1226
3-1 - 1167

Totals lines by game:

AAI1 - 2935
T&T - 2393

Total lines by character per case:

Turnabout Memories (3-1)

Mia Fey - 396 (33.93%)
The Judge - 239 (20.48%)
Winston Payne - 165 (14.14%)
Phoenix Wright - 157 (13.45%)
Dahlia Hawthorne - 129 (11.05%)
Marvin Grossberg - 76 (6.51%)
Doug Swallow - 5

Total lines by character per game:

Trials & Tribulations

1. Mia Fey - 832
2. The Judge - 239
3. The Judge's Brother - 221
4. Winston Payne - 165
5. Miles Edgeworth - 164
6. Phoenix Wright - 159
7. Dahlia Hawthorne - 284
8. Diego Armando - 112
9. Marvin Grossberg - 79
10. Terry Fawles - 74
11. Dick Gumshoe - 58
12. Doug Swallow - 5
13. Valerie Hawthorne - 3

Most lines per case:

Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 1328
Mia Fey (3-4) - 436
Mia Fey (3-1) - 396

Highest percentage of lines per case:

Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 45.25%
Mia Fey (3-4) - 35.56%
Mia Fey (3-1) - 33.93%

Testimonies by character:

1. Dahlia Hawthorne - 48 lines/8 testimonies
2. Calisto Yew - 21 lines/5 testimonies
3. Phoenix Wright - 17 lines/3 testimonies
4. Dick Gumshoe - 15 lines/3 testimonies
5. Franziska von Karma - 10 lines/2 testimonies
6. The Judge - 10 lines/2 testimonies
7. Tyrell Badd - 6 lines/1 testimony
8. Terry Fawles - 6 lines/1 testimony

Total lines by character:

1. Miles Edgeworth - 1492
2. Mia Fey - 832
3. Franziska von Karma - 519
4. The Judge - 371
5. Dick Gumshoe - 301
6. Dahlia Hawthorne - 284
6. Calisto Yew - 256
7. Tyrell Badd - 242
8. The Judge's Brother - 221
9. Winston Payne - 165
10. Phoenix Wright - 159
11. Godot - 112
12. Kay Faraday - 99
13. Marvin Grossberg - 76
14. Terry Fawles - 74
15. Manfred von Karma - 68
16. Other - 37
17. Doug Swallow - 5
18. Mack Rell - 5
19. Shi-Long Lang - 3
20. Valerie Hawthorne - 3
21. Byrne Faraday - 2
22. Manny Coachen - 2

Overall total lines - 5328

Yes, 3-1 Winston Payne had one more line than 3-4 Edgeworth in a slightly shorter case. Dude interrupts people like crazy in 3-1.
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6.5% seems like an extremely low percentage for the assistant. I wonder if that'll be the lowest of any case?
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Well, Grossberg is absent for a large chunk of the case (He doesn't show back up until after the second of Dahlia's four testimonies after the recess), so that will probably be the record unless there's another instance of an assistant who disappears for a similar length of time.

actually I guess Maya/Maggey in 2-1 could give him a run for it since they split the part there
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Total lines by segment:

3-4 - 1226
3-1 - 1167
E1-4 Middle - 1030
E1-4 End - 979
E1-4 Beginning - 926
1-1 - 389

Total lines by case:

E1-4 - 2935
3-4 - 1226
3-1 - 1167
1-1 - 389

Total lines by character per case:

The First Turnabout (1-1)

1. Phoenix Wright - 135 (34.70%)
2. The Judge - 71 (18.25%)
3. Frank Sahwit - 58 (14.91%)
4. Mia Fey - 51 (13.11%)
5. Winston Payne - 44 (11.31%)
6. Larry Butz - 29 (7.46%)
7. Other - 1

Most lines per case:

Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 1328
Mia Fey (3-4) - 436
Mia Fey (3-1) - 396
Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 135

Highest percentage of lines per case:

Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 45.25%
Mia Fey (3-4) - 35.56%
Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 34.70%
Mia Fey (3-1) - 33.93%

Testimonies by character:

1. Dahlia Hawthorne - 48 lines/8 testimonies
2. Calisto Yew - 21 lines/5 testimonies
3. Frank Sahwit - 20 lines/3 testimonies
4. Phoenix Wright - 17 lines/3 testimonies
5. Dick Gumshoe - 15 lines/3 testimonies
6. Franziska von Karma - 10 lines/2 testimonies
7. The Judge - 10 lines/2 testimonies
8. Tyrell Badd - 6 lines/1 testimony
9. Terry Fawles - 6 lines/1 testimony

Total lines by character:

1. Miles Edgeworth - 1492
2. Mia Fey - 883
3. Franziska von Karma - 519
4. The Judge - 442
5. Dick Gumshoe - 301
6. Phoenix Wright - 294
7. Dahlia Hawthorne - 284
7. Calisto Yew - 256
8. Tyrell Badd - 242
9. The Judge's Brother - 221
10. Winston Payne - 209
11. Godot - 112
12. Kay Faraday - 99
13. Marvin Grossberg - 76
14. Terry Fawles - 74
15. Manfred von Karma - 68
16. Frank Sahwit - 58
17. Other - 38
18. Larry Butz - 29
19. Doug Swallow - 5
20. Mack Rell - 5
21. Shi-Long Lang - 3
22. Valerie Hawthorne - 3
23. Byrne Faraday - 2
24. Manny Coachen - 2

For the record, that 1 line for "Other" in 1-1 is from the Thinker.

Finally time for our first full-length traditional style case, although Phoenix won't have an assistant, so we still won't get a clear idea of the "standard" until 1-3, I guess!

also I'm thinking of clipping off anyone who doesn't hit a certain threshold for number of lines off of the "leaderboard" simply due to how many characters will eventually be on this thing
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should probably be using excel to record these
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that is indeed what I am using to record these
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oh okay so you just meantnot posting everything

i'm cool with that
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Yeah, it's mostly to reduce clutter from posting these things after every case.
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RIP valerie hawthorne
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well all the ones at the bottom are dead except for Lang
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New topic:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/76326875
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1-1's next, yeah?
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1-1 is finished
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oh jeeze I suck at reading

mostly because it was so fast!
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