Current Events > Milo Yiannopoulos' manuscript is so fucking bad

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Questionmarktarius posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

ilfait posted...

I hate his editor.

His editor makes the book readable.

That's what editors get paid to do.

This one seems to get paid to provide arrogantly-worded notes with typos, that sanitize the writing, while having substandard reading comprehension.

I have no interest in Milo or his book, but I imagine that those who are interested would prefer to read his unfiltered thoughts. That dumb bitch of an editor should be checking for grammatical and logical errors, and otherwise shutting up. People are always trying to make their shitty jobs more "important" than they are.

averagejoel posted...

he's also a staunch defender of pedophilia

So is Vice, a website you agree with.
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Editing is not solely limited to spelling and grammar corrections.
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ThePieReborn posted...

Editing is not solely limited to spelling and grammar corrections.

Clearly, as demonstrated here.

ilfait posted...

I have no interest in Milo or his book, but I imagine that those who are interested would prefer to read his unfiltered thoughts. That dumb bitch of an editor should be checking for grammatical and logical errors, and otherwise shutting up. People are always trying to make their shitty jobs more "important" than they are.

lol

editors are super important, and the commentary is the only readable part of the manuscript

fenderbender321 posted...

averagejoel posted...

tbh googling "milo on black lives matter" or "milo on islam" is probably the best starting point

Couldn't find anything racist there....should I try googling something else?

you could try clicking on a link
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The editor here is trying to make this more palatable to general audiences. He doesn't disagree with the underlying ideas, just thinks they need to be presented better. He's bullshit laundering.
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Antifar posted...

The editor here is trying to make this more palatable to general audiences. He doesn't disagree with the underlying ideas, just thinks they need to be presented better. He's bullshit laundering.

while this is obviously true, it's still kinda hilarious that the commentary is not only the best part of the manuscript, but the only readable part of it, period
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This editing conversation kind of reminds me of Nintendo's Treehouse constantly providing their incredibly valuable talent to the localization process. They're not funny; they're not creative; they're painfully boring people who naturally are painfully boring writers, with the worst taste. Yet they're so keen to rub their stench of mediocrity on whatever they get their hands on.

Let people play the game, watch the movie, or read the book by the creator of the piece. And stop trying to emphasize the importance of your job.

Antifar posted...

The editor here is trying to make this more palatable to general audiences. He doesn't disagree with the underlying ideas, just thinks they need to be presented better. He's bullshit laundering.

This is one of the main reasons why he, and people like him, should fuck off.

that was difficult to even skim

I can't imagine having the patience to read through the whole manuscript having to cross out dumb joke after dumb joke without just telling him to start over.
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Antifar posted...

The editor here is trying to make this more palatable to general audiences. He doesn't disagree with the underlying ideas, just thinks they need to be presented better. He's bullshit laundering.

yeah i mean, it's pretty disgusting on a base level and I think the 'eulogising' for lack of a better word of the editor is totally unnecessary *but* it's still funny to see it so plainly pointed out how bankrupt so much of milo's shit is
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ilfait posted...

Antifar posted...

The editor here is trying to make this more palatable to general audiences. He doesn't disagree with the underlying ideas, just thinks they need to be presented better. He's bullshit laundering.

This is one of the main reasons why he, and people like him, should fuck off.

Why are you so angry about this, the book has to sell so the publisher doesn't take a loss on it. Editing is an extremely important part of the process. Without editors I'm sure most books would be a lot worse than they are.
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ilfait posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

KILBOTz posted...

What's it called? Mein Dumm Kampf?

Dangerous

He wanted to call it "Dangerous F*****" but that got shut down

Who shut it down?

The Publishers for instantly obvious reasons
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This editing conversation kind of reminds me of the plumber in my hometown constantly providing his incredibly valuable talent to the upkeep process. He's not funny; he's not creative; he's a painfully boring person who naturally is a painfully boring plumber, with the worst taste. Yet he's so keen to rub his stench of mediocrity on whatever he gets his hands on.

Let people flush bowling balls down the toilet, fill their sink with bacon grease, or stomp through the bottom of the bathtub that they paid for in peace. And stop trying to emphasize the importance of your job.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

ilfait posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

KILBOTz posted...

What's it called? Mein Dumm Kampf?

Dangerous

He wanted to call it "Dangerous F*****" but that got shut down

Who shut it down?

The Publishers for instantly obvious reasons

Obviously terrible reasons, yeah.

averagejoel posted...

This editing conversation kind of reminds me of the plumber in my hometown constantly providing his incredibly valuable talent to the upkeep process. He's not funny; he's not creative; he's a painfully boring person who naturally is a painfully boring plumber, with the worst taste. Yet he's so keen to rub his stench of mediocrity on whatever he gets his hands on.

Let people flush bowling balls down the toilet, fill their sink with bacon grease, or stomp through the bottom of the bathtub that they paid for in peace. And stop trying to emphasize the importance of your job.

What a stunningly astute analogy. Plumbing, just like writing, relies on humor, creativity. And a plumber must, above all else, just like a writer, be interesting and insightful.

A good plumber, or editor, will fix Picasso's Weeping Woman for us, to make it palatable to general audience and to ensure that we're not continuously filling our eyes with bacon grease and swallowing bowling balls.

ilfait posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

ilfait posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

KILBOTz posted...

What's it called? Mein Dumm Kampf?

Dangerous

He wanted to call it "Dangerous F*****" but that got shut down

Who shut it down?

The Publishers for instantly obvious reasons

Obviously terrible reasons, yeah.

you can't think of any reason why a publisher wouldn't want to back a book called Dangerous F*****?

ilfait posted...

averagejoel posted...

This editing conversation kind of reminds me of the plumber in my hometown constantly providing his incredibly valuable talent to the upkeep process. He's not funny; he's not creative; he's a painfully boring person who naturally is a painfully boring plumber, with the worst taste. Yet he's so keen to rub his stench of mediocrity on whatever he gets his hands on.

Let people flush bowling balls down the toilet, fill their sink with bacon grease, or stomp through the bottom of the bathtub that they paid for in peace. And stop trying to emphasize the importance of your job.

What a stunningly astute analogy. Plumbing, just like writing, relies on humor, creativity. And a plumber must, above all else, just like a writer, be interesting and insightful.

A good plumber, or editor, will fix Picasso's Weeping Woman for us, to make it palatable to general audience and to ensure that we're not continuously filling our eyes with bacon grease and swallowing bowling balls.

your counter to my analogy hinges on the idea that Milo is as brilliant as Picasso. as you can see from looking at any part of his manuscript, this is false

also, editing is not necessarily a creative endeavor. it's not entirely separate from writing, but it's not the same thing either
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treewojima posted...

ilfait posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

ilfait posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

KILBOTz posted...

What's it called? Mein Dumm Kampf?

Dangerous

He wanted to call it "Dangerous F*****" but that got shut down

Who shut it down?

The Publishers for instantly obvious reasons

Obviously terrible reasons, yeah.

you can't think of any reason why a publisher wouldn't want to back a book called Dangerous F*****?

No clue. Harry Potter and the Secret F***** of Eureka Valley sold like hotcakes.

averagejoel posted...

ilfait posted...

averagejoel posted...

This editing conversation kind of reminds me of the plumber in my hometown constantly providing his incredibly valuable talent to the upkeep process. He's not funny; he's not creative; he's a painfully boring person who naturally is a painfully boring plumber, with the worst taste. Yet he's so keen to rub his stench of mediocrity on whatever he gets his hands on.

Let people flush bowling balls down the toilet, fill their sink with bacon grease, or stomp through the bottom of the bathtub that they paid for in peace. And stop trying to emphasize the importance of your job.

What a stunningly astute analogy. Plumbing, just like writing, relies on humor, creativity. And a plumber must, above all else, just like a writer, be interesting and insightful.

A good plumber, or editor, will fix Picasso's Weeping Woman for us, to make it palatable to general audience and to ensure that we're not continuously filling our eyes with bacon grease and swallowing bowling balls.

your counter to my analogy hinges on the idea that Milo is as brilliant as Picasso. as you can see from looking at any part of his manuscript, this is false

also, editing is not necessarily a creative endeavor. it's not entirely separate from writing, but it's not the same thing either

Unfortunately certain editors try to turn it into a terribly creative endeavor, or more accurately a destructive one.

ilfait posted...

What a stunningly astute analogy. Plumbing, just like writing, relies on humor, creativity. And a plumber must, above all else, just like a writer, be interesting and insightful.

A good plumber, or editor, will fix Picasso's Weeping Woman for us, to make it palatable to general audience and to ensure that we're not continuously filling our eyes with bacon grease and swallowing bowling balls.

You're being dense. Several of the comments in the manuscript points out this manuscript is currently written to coddle the egos and polemics of people who already agree with him (people like yourself), which is pointless because you all already eat him up.

It's convincing other people that's the issue. With the memes, in-jokes, and the generally unpalatable hate screed, there's nothing to convince people who aren't already drinking the cool-aid. More telling, the author is so up his own ass, it never even occurred to him that whole swaths of the rhetorical foundation was missing here. He might have been able to justify his writing style had he prefaced the first chapter with an essay explaining his particular style of polemics and why he thinks they are necessary in this work. But he's just not that thoughtful. So of course one of the uninitiated reads it, and immediately pulls the plug before he can (further) embarrass them.

S&S wants to make money, and what he gave them was a total waste of $250,000.00.
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ilfait posted...

averagejoel posted...

ilfait posted...

averagejoel posted...

This editing conversation kind of reminds me of the plumber in my hometown constantly providing his incredibly valuable talent to the upkeep process. He's not funny; he's not creative; he's a painfully boring person who naturally is a painfully boring plumber, with the worst taste. Yet he's so keen to rub his stench of mediocrity on whatever he gets his hands on.

Let people flush bowling balls down the toilet, fill their sink with bacon grease, or stomp through the bottom of the bathtub that they paid for in peace. And stop trying to emphasize the importance of your job.

What a stunningly astute analogy. Plumbing, just like writing, relies on humor, creativity. And a plumber must, above all else, just like a writer, be interesting and insightful.

A good plumber, or editor, will fix Picasso's Weeping Woman for us, to make it palatable to general audience and to ensure that we're not continuously filling our eyes with bacon grease and swallowing bowling balls.

your counter to my analogy hinges on the idea that Milo is as brilliant as Picasso. as you can see from looking at any part of his manuscript, this is false

also, editing is not necessarily a creative endeavor. it's not entirely separate from writing, but it's not the same thing either

Unfortunately certain editors try to turn it into a terribly creative endeavor, or more accurately a destructive one.

so you concede that Milo's writing is less like Picasso and more like someone flushing a bowling ball down the toilet? thank you. that was my main point anyway - that and the indisputable fact that editors are important, which i assume you also concede since you have not addressed it
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hollow_shrine posted...

ilfait posted...

What a stunningly astute analogy. Plumbing, just like writing, relies on humor, creativity. And a plumber must, above all else, just like a writer, be interesting and insightful.

A good plumber, or editor, will fix Picasso's Weeping Woman for us, to make it palatable to general audience and to ensure that we're not continuously filling our eyes with bacon grease and swallowing bowling balls.

You're being dense. Several of the comments in the manuscript points out this manuscript is currently written to coddle the egos and polemics of people who already agree with him (people like yourself), which is pointless because you all already eat him up.

It's convincing other people that's the issue. With the memes, in-jokes, and the generally unpalatable hate screed, there's nothing to convince people who aren't already drinking the cool-aid. More telling, the author is so up his own ass, it never even occurred to him that whole swaths of the rhetorical foundation was missing here. He might have been able to justify his writing style had he prefaced the first chapter with an essay explaining his particular style of polemics and why he thinks they are necessary in this work. But he's just not that thoughtful. So of course one of the uninitiated reads it, and immediately pulls the plug before he can (further) embarrass them.

S&S wants to make money, and what he gave them was a total waste of $250,000.00.

I skimmed his manuscript, reading only the sections that had comments attached to them, and I've heard him speak for maybe about 5 minutes in total. I don't think I can conjure up on the spot a single one of his stances, other than the fact that he seems to hate political correctness, which I do completely agree with.

If we're approaching this from a business perspective--one that I have almost no interest in--why should his publisher be concerned about whether Milo's arguments are going to persuade anyone who disagrees with him? As far as I know, the whole reason that people pay attention to him is that he tells the people who like him what they want to hear, and he tells the people who hate him the things that most enrage them, to the delight of his fans. Why do you think that toning down his writing, and trying to make it more acceptable to a general audience, and possibly more sensible, is going to result in more sales? Do you believe that the most rational, well thought out, even keel, uncontroversial, inoffensive, inclusive political books are the ones that are going to fly off the shelves? And even if that were the case, what leads you to believe that he has a talent for that?

how is he racist and how is he a facist?

is TC from neogaf?

averagejoel posted...

Ex-Kefiroth posted...

who even is that guy.

former breitbart writer. he was their token gay dude until he became too openly racist. he's also a staunch defender of pedophilia

now you are just making up bullshit because you are desperate for attention

post the snopes links or its not true
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ilfait posted...

why should his publisher be concerned about whether Milo's arguments are going to persuade anyone who disagrees with him?

It's less about persuading people who might disagree with him and more about persuading moderates who might indulge their curiosity if they can get past the more objectionable aspects of Milo's writing/voice. The book needs to red pill it's readers, not drown their interest in /pol/ rhetoric.

ilfait posted...

As far as I know, the whole reason that people pay attention to him is that he tells the people who like him what they want to hear, and he tells the people who hate him the things that most enrage them, to the delight of his fans

You are correct. It is the only reason people like him. Also he fits in some convenient demographic boxes, and helps shield aspects of his ideological peers from certain kinds of criticism.

ilfait posted...

Why do you think that toning down his writing, and trying to make it more acceptable to a general audience, and possibly more sensible, is going to result in more sales?

Because the overwhelming majority of the book buying market finds the presentation of the argument, it's voice, and it's lazy citation unreadable. No one would read this unless they were already committed to reading it, and could ignore all of the issues in the text.

ilfait posted...

Do you believe that the most rational, well thought out, even keel, uncontroversial, inoffensive, inclusive political books are the ones that are going to fly off the shelves?

No. We know for a fact they don't. Also how is this about 'my' belief? We're discussing the rationale of the editor in rejecting this manuscript, and he lays out his reasoning pretty clearly.

ilfait posted...

And even if that were the case, what leads you to believe that he has a talent for that?

Personally, I don't think he has a talent for that, but that's a question we should all be asking the editor, not me. Milo was elevated to intellectual fame by ego anarchists, neo nazis, pedophile sympathizers, and 'free speech activists.' Even as Milo styles himself as the intellectual future of conservatism, he's never really showcased the intellectual rigor of his predecessors. What exactly did S&S expect from him? If he wins this case, it will probably be for that reason.
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Roxborough4Ever posted...

averagejoel posted...

Ex-Kefiroth posted...

who even is that guy.

former breitbart writer. he was their token gay dude until he became too openly racist. he's also a staunch defender of pedophilia

now you are just making up bullshit because you are desperate for attention

post the snopes links or its not true

I didn't believe Joel until I saw the "staunch" part. If he had only said "defender of pedophilia" I would have questioned his credibility.

And it's really the staunchness of Milo's defense of pedophilia that makes angry. If only he weren't so damn staunch about it.

@hollow_shrine, I don't have anything to add, but I read your post in its entirety.

I honestly dont respect for what he is. I don't feel his role as a provocateur is really changing minds or adding to the conversation. He intentionally just wants to troll and trigger people.

I can at least respect someone like Ben Shapiro, who may ruffle feathers but that's not his main intention. Case in point, we hear Christina Hoff Sommers speak about feminism, the different waves and present good cases against third wave feminism. Then Milo goes up and calls it cancer and walks off.

How "edgy" of him.

ilfait posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

ilfait posted...

I hate his editor.

His editor makes the book readable.

That's what editors get paid to do.

This one seems to get paid to provide arrogantly-worded notes with typos, that sanitize the writing, while having substandard reading comprehension.

I have no interest in Milo or his book, but I imagine that those who are interested would prefer to read his unfiltered thoughts. That dumb bitch of an editor should be checking for grammatical and logical errors, and otherwise shutting up. People are always trying to make their shitty jobs more "important" than they are.

That moment when a CEmen says "who cares if you offered 250,000 dollars for a book deal. You don't get any control over what's in the book!"
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ilfait, why are you acting as if the comments aren't constructive? Even if you were already pre-disposed to liking Milo's work, some of the jokes DO get tired by the fifth time around, and he DOES wander aimlessly in places in this manuscript. It's mostly comments that make the work "better", not someone soapboxing the entire time about how evil Milo is.
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Because I don't like when creative processes become collaborative in circumstances when they shouldn't be collaborative. The whole point of something like Milo's book is to hear his voice, the voice of a radical, as ridiculous as that voice may or may not be. I hate how everything always has to be reigned in and smoothed over, for countless insipid reasons, by tedious, practical, uninspired people who wield any amount of power.

And I'm not predisposed to liking his work. I don't know his work, and have next-to-no interest in it beyond the scope of this discussion.

lol. imagine defending self hating gay pedo advocate.

Forlorn_Ass posted...

averagejoel posted...

Ex-Kefiroth posted...

who even is that guy.

former breitbart writer. he was their token gay dude until he became too openly racist. he's also a staunch defender of pedophilia

Hes racist?

he speaks some uncomfortable truths so sjws cry racist
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ilfait posted...

Because I don't like when creative processes become collaborative in circumstances when they shouldn't be collaborative. The whole point of something like Milo's book is to hear his voice, the voice of a radical, as ridiculous as that voice may or may not be. I hate how everything always has to be reigned in and smoothed over, for countless insipid reasons, by tedious, practical, uninspired people who wield any amount of power.

From the looks of the manuscript, Milo is nowhere near as good a writer as even Mick Foley, who had suffered significant brain damage before writing five autobiographies, four children's books, and two novels.

ModLogic posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

averagejoel posted...

Ex-Kefiroth posted...

who even is that guy.

former breitbart writer. he was their token gay dude until he became too openly racist. he's also a staunch defender of pedophilia

Hes racist?

he speaks some uncomfortable truths so sjws cry racist

uncomfortable yes, truths no
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Questionmarktarius posted...

ilfait posted...

Because I don't like when creative processes become collaborative in circumstances when they shouldn't be collaborative. The whole point of something like Milo's book is to hear his voice, the voice of a radical, as ridiculous as that voice may or may not be. I hate how everything always has to be reigned in and smoothed over, for countless insipid reasons, by tedious, practical, uninspired people who wield any amount of power.

From the looks of the manuscript, Milo is nowhere near as good a writer as even Mick Foley, who had suffered significant brain damage before writing five autobiographies, four children's books, and two novels.

Okay, and?

The dude in this thread complaining about a guy desperately trying to do his job and make Milos shit readable is probably actually funnier than anything the editor wrote actually. Editors are not spellcheck robots lol
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ilfait posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

ilfait posted...

Because I don't like when creative processes become collaborative in circumstances when they shouldn't be collaborative. The whole point of something like Milo's book is to hear his voice, the voice of a radical, as ridiculous as that voice may or may not be. I hate how everything always has to be reigned in and smoothed over, for countless insipid reasons, by tedious, practical, uninspired people who wield any amount of power.

From the looks of the manuscript, Milo is nowhere near as good a writer as even Mick Foley, who had suffered significant brain damage before writing five autobiographies, four children's books, and two novels.

Okay, and?

The publisher has to get its 250K (plus printing costs) back, and incoherent rambling and obnoxiousness is unlikely to accomplish that, after the "trainwreck curiosity" buyers tell everyone else how incoherent and obnoxious it is.

ilfait posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

ilfait posted...

Because I don't like when creative processes become collaborative in circumstances when they shouldn't be collaborative. The whole point of something like Milo's book is to hear his voice, the voice of a radical, as ridiculous as that voice may or may not be. I hate how everything always has to be reigned in and smoothed over, for countless insipid reasons, by tedious, practical, uninspired people who wield any amount of power.

From the looks of the manuscript, Milo is nowhere near as good a writer as even Mick Foley, who had suffered significant brain damage before writing five autobiographies, four children's books, and two novels.

Okay, and?

the point is that editors are important, especially for someone whose writing is as bad as Milo's
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Probably? I guarantee I'm funnier. Oatmeal is funnier than that editor.

averagejoel posted...

the point is that editors are important, especially for someone whose writing is as bad as Milo's

Even Foley needed an editor.

ilfait posted...

Probably? I guarantee I'm funnier. Oatmeal is funnier than that editor.

good thing it's not the editor's job to be funny

however, oatmeal is also a better writer than milo, and since he wrote a book, it's his job to be good at writing
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Are people still irrationally defending Milo?

I'm surprised Mal isn't in here yet with his tail between his legs
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I haven't been keeping up with Milo but he's still cool in my book.
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Bio1590 posted...

Are people still irrationally defending Milo?

I'm surprised Mal isn't in here yet with his tail between his legs

oh no

it's only a matter of time now that his name has been called
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