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Anteaterking 12/29/17 7:08:16 PM #102: |
ilfait posted...
And I'm not predisposed to liking his work. I don't know his work, and have next-to-no interest in it beyond the scope of this discussion. I wasn't saying you were pre-disposed, I meant the generic you. ilfait posted... Because I don't like when creative processes become collaborative in circumstances when they shouldn't be collaborative. The whole point of something like Milo's book is to hear his voice, the voice of a radical, as ridiculous as that voice may or may not be. I hate how everything always has to be reigned in and smoothed over, for countless insipid reasons, by tedious, practical, uninspired people who wield any amount of power. If Milo himself wanted raw, unedited Milo then he wouldn't be working with a publisher. The fact of the matter is that the things that are being edited in that manuscript are things that get in the way of people hearing his voice. It's also like when people say they want "realistic dialogue" in movies. You use the term "tedious" to describe the editor, but reading the manuscript is tedious in it's original form. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funbazooka 12/29/17 7:09:05 PM #103: |
Does Milo want it raw?
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Drunk Cobra 12/29/17 7:09:16 PM #104: |
ultimate reaver posted...
The dude in this thread complaining about a guy desperately trying to do his job and make Milos shit readable is probably actually funnier than anything the editor wrote actually. Editors are not spellcheck robots lol --- I don't want to be a snuff film reviewer. I want my hobbies to be farming, coin collecting, and reading. - farmer88 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SGT_Conti 12/29/17 7:11:54 PM #105: |
ilfait posted...
Because I don't like when creative processes become collaborative in circumstances when they shouldn't be collaborative. The whole point of something like Milo's book is to hear his voice, the voice of a radical, as ridiculous as that voice may or may not be. I hate how everything always has to be reigned in and smoothed over, for countless insipid reasons, by tedious, practical, uninspired people who wield any amount of power. Then self-publish. The moment you bring another party into it, it becomes a collaborative process. Alternatively, find someone who is willing to give you more freedom in how you write it. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ilfait 12/29/17 7:12:10 PM #106: |
averagejoel posted...
ilfait posted...Questionmarktarius posted...ilfait posted...Because I don't like when creative processes become collaborative in circumstances when they shouldn't be collaborative. The whole point of something like Milo's book is to hear his voice, the voice of a radical, as ridiculous as that voice may or may not be. I hate how everything always has to be reigned in and smoothed over, for countless insipid reasons, by tedious, practical, uninspired people who wield any amount of power. I don't mind a lot of the obligatory semi-dumb replies to my posts, but yours are inane cave scratchings. I know that editors are important. Anyone who's writing something for publication, especially if it's longform, relies on an editor to catch logical and grammatical errors. I've never disputed that. Why have you brought it up multiple times? What are you really arguing against? Yes, you're a cliche SJW who hates this guy because he doesn't seem to fall in line and maybe damages your embarrassing cause; I get it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ilfait 12/29/17 7:13:13 PM #107: |
SGT_Conti posted...
ilfait posted...Because I don't like when creative processes become collaborative in circumstances when they shouldn't be collaborative. The whole point of something like Milo's book is to hear his voice, the voice of a radical, as ridiculous as that voice may or may not be. I hate how everything always has to be reigned in and smoothed over, for countless insipid reasons, by tedious, practical, uninspired people who wield any amount of power. I'm criticising and lamenting that this is the reality of our society; I'm not disputing the nature of it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ilfait 12/29/17 7:14:27 PM #108: |
Anteaterking posted...
ilfait posted...And I'm not predisposed to liking his work. I don't know his work, and have next-to-no interest in it beyond the scope of this discussion. It's entirely possible that he doesn't want it rawdog. Whether he does, or doesn't, I'd stand by what I said. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SGT_Conti 12/29/17 7:16:10 PM #109: |
ilfait posted...
I'm criticising and lamenting that this is the reality of our society; I'm not disputing the nature of it. You're lamenting that deals aren't one-sided, and there are very obvious reasons they aren't. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ilfait 12/29/17 7:16:19 PM #110: |
Bio1590 posted...
Are people still irrationally defending Milo? If Joel doesn't like him, he's gotta be okay. Get him in here. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BLAKUboy 12/29/17 7:16:22 PM #111: |
I feel like this dude has changed his argument like 8 times now. Not that he ever fully committed to one in the first place, because he's low-effort trolling.
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ilfait 12/29/17 7:18:12 PM #112: |
BLAKUboy posted...
I feel like this dude has changed his argument like 8 times now. Not that he ever fully committed to one in the first place, because he's low-effort trolling. Tell me more about what you feel, dude. Your insight is clearly unique and valuable. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 12/29/17 7:19:25 PM #113: |
ilfait posted...
relies on an editor to catch logical and grammatical errors You seem to be conflating an editor with a proofreader. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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prettyprincess 12/29/17 7:21:27 PM #114: |
improving your writing is neither insipid nor uninspired
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ilfait 12/29/17 7:22:04 PM #115: |
SGT_Conti posted...
ilfait posted...I'm criticising and lamenting that this is the reality of our society; I'm not disputing the nature of it. ilfait posted... I hate how everything always has to be reigned in and smoothed over, for countless insipid reasons ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ilfait 12/29/17 7:22:36 PM #116: |
prettyprincess posted...
improving your writing is neither insipid nor uninspired But your post is both. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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prettyprincess 12/29/17 7:23:29 PM #117: |
no need to go at length when so obvious
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hollow_shrine 12/29/17 7:24:01 PM #118: |
Funbazooka posted...
Does Milo want it raw? No. He wants you to go back into the closet, marry some girl, and pop out the next generation of straight-acting gay sons. Literally. That sounds like hyperbole, but it's not. That is a serious recommendation in this book --- Whatever happened to standards? Whatever happened to bare minimums? 15 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Great Muta 22 12/29/17 7:31:35 PM #120: |
Is it time for me to point out that Milo(and his ghost writer) was in contact with open white supremacists and solicited their ideas, under the permission and guide of Bannon and Breitbart, when he was still working for their site? Dude was talking to someone from Daily Stormer as well as other "race realists" when coming up with ideas in how to frame "the alt-right" and his entire shtick. Putting a "ironic and not hateful" spin on neo-nazi idea's are still using neo-nazi ideas. Or how about the fact that his passwords at the time were Nazi references? Or how he was barhopping with Richard Spencer and such?
I'm so happy this man's career has been destroyed. Fuck him and his loser defenders --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/29/17 7:33:27 PM #121: |
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Milo(and his ghost writer) I have a hard time believing a ghost writer would be that awful. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hollow_shrine 12/29/17 7:35:48 PM #122: |
The Great Muta 22 posted...
I'm so happy this man's career has been destroyed. Fuck him and his loser defenders There's still this issue of 'theoretically normal' people actually reaching out to people like them and offering them a stage and even trying to repackage them so that they can attract other people who are apparently still 'on the fence' with regards to ethno-nationalism. "I'm not racist, but what if that white ethno-state tho?" --- Whatever happened to standards? Whatever happened to bare minimums? 15 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningAce11 12/29/17 7:39:56 PM #123: |
Like all conservatives, Milo is painfully unfunny.
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ilfait 12/29/17 7:42:03 PM #124: |
hollow_shrine posted...
Funbazooka posted...Does Milo want it raw? Can you help me find this? I ctrl+f'd "gay sons" and "marry" and can't find it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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prettyprincess 12/29/17 7:46:24 PM #126: |
should read through some of Erskine's editorial work instead
http://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaxtf/view?docId=uva-sc/viu03211.xml --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hollow_shrine 12/29/17 7:48:34 PM #127: |
CrimsonRage posted...
hollow_shrine posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...I'm so happy this man's career has been destroyed. Fuck him and his loser defenders Oh my god, you're right! Wait when he finds out what his conservative friends have to say about homosexuality. Bright side though, we're really bringing people around to pedophiles. --- Whatever happened to standards? Whatever happened to bare minimums? 15 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 12/29/17 7:51:02 PM #128: |
CrimsonRage posted...
hollow_shrine posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...I'm so happy this man's career has been destroyed. Fuck him and his loser defenders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ilfait 12/29/17 7:52:26 PM #129: |
prettyprincess posted...
should read through some of Erskine's editorial work instead Here's a brief, glowing, article about him, for anyone who's unfamiliar and interested: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/05/nyregion/albert-r-erskine-81-an-editor-for-faulkner-and-other-authors.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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prettyprincess 12/29/17 7:55:26 PM #130: |
suttree
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ilfait 12/29/17 7:57:36 PM #131: |
I understand where Milo's editor is coming from now:
https://twitter.com/MitchellIvers?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Suddenly the notes make a lot more sense. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Great Muta 22 12/29/17 8:12:52 PM #132: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...Milo(and his ghost writer) https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism?utm_term=.tuvn2k3qB#.livMzNpOa --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/29/17 8:14:31 PM #133: |
ilfait posted...
I understand where Milo's editor is coming from now: I don't understand the lesson I'm supposed to learn here. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ilfait 12/29/17 8:16:09 PM #134: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
ilfait posted...I understand where Milo's editor is coming from now: No, you wouldn't. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/29/17 8:28:52 PM #135: |
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...Milo(and his ghost writer) This article seems to suggest that Milo was telling Bannon "slow down there", not the other way around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 12/29/17 8:38:16 PM #136: |
Antifar posted...
The editor here is trying to make this more palatable to general audiences. He doesn't disagree with the underlying ideas, just thinks they need to be presented better. He's bullshit laundering. Pretty sure it isn't the editors job to agree or disagree or police the message of the book. Its his job to make it as palatable to the consumer as possible. I could be mistaken. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Roxborough4Ever 12/29/17 11:23:12 PM #137: |
a lot of liars desperate for attention in this topic that cant even provide the snopes
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Prestoff 12/30/17 1:07:54 AM #138: |
Anteaterking posted...
ilfait posted...relies on an editor to catch logical and grammatical errors Yeah, an editors job is also to find logic errors in books and make the book more presentable and that's exactly what the editor in the manuscript is doing... his job. Editors basically play the devil's advocate/contrarian when doing their job, in a lot of cases the editors don't necessarily have to agree with the content of the book. --- It's what all true warriors strive for! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ItsYourFault 12/30/17 1:33:46 AM #139: |
ilfait posted...
I'm criticising and lamenting that this is the reality of our society; I'm not disputing the nature of it. lol. damn businesses working properly! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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