Current Events > The Last Jedi was potentially good but marred by certain things (SPOILERS)

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First off, the dialogue did not sound very "Starwars-y" to me... But that's a minor complaint

The Leia flying scene was funny.

I have to ask... Why didn't the stupid admiral lady just plan on ramming the thing in the first place? Like... Ridiculous!

Luke dying is beyond awful. Clearly easily added post production. I'm super disappointed. At least I know he'll appear as a force ghost (who apparently can manipulate the real world subtly)

I don't think the film really conveyed the desperate nature of the Resistance well. I mean, I saw entire transports get destroyed and somehow felt nothing.
The salt world speeders had me so perplexed. Tactically, they are bright red SHOOT ME targets. And then they weren't shot at until MUCH later. And they stopped shooting Finn for some reason. Which was hilarious. And the crash should have killed both Finn and Rose.

I did not like the repetitive cruiser chase coming back constantly. We know it's being chased, thanks. Don't need that establishing shot every time.

I liked the space battles for the most part tho. And the lightsaber battle was entertaining, but clearly they are choosing to hold back on those fights.

The movie is LONG
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Also i don't get how days passed for Rei

But somehow the cruiser only had 18 hours to survive

Like

Idgi
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einegutePerson posted...

I have to ask... Why didn't the stupid admiral lady just plan on ramming the thing in the first place? Like... Ridiculous!

Making the decision to kill yourself isn't exactly an easy one
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littlebro07 posted...

einegutePerson posted...

I have to ask... Why didn't the stupid admiral lady just plan on ramming the thing in the first place? Like... Ridiculous!

Making the decision to kill yourself isn't exactly an easy one

She'd already made it tho
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einegutePerson posted...

Also i don't get how days passed for Rei

But somehow the cruiser only had 18 hours to survive

Like

Idgi

I figured that the events weren't happening simultaneously. Rey and Luke's Island Adventure started a few days before the Resistance stuff. Like when Finn says "Where's Rey?" and the next scene is her handing Luke the lightsaber, I don't think that's literally where she is right when he said that. It's a flashback to a few days ago.
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littlebro07 posted...

einegutePerson posted...

Also i don't get how days passed for Rei

But somehow the cruiser only had 18 hours to survive

Like

Idgi

I figured that the events weren't happening simultaneously. Rey and Luke's Island Adventure started a few days before the Resistance stuff. Like when Finn says "Where's Rey?" and the next scene is her handing Luke the lightsaber, I don't think that's literally where she is right when he said that. It's a flashback to a few days ago.

The their sense of Time is very weird.
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why didn't admiral tumblr just tell poe the plan
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maybe the planet Luke is on has very short day/night cycles
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Freddie_Mercury posted...

why didn't admiral tumblr just tell poe the plan

shes the leader
she doesn't have to explain shit to anyone
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boxington posted...

maybe the planet Luke is on has very short day/night cycles

Way too much time passed between her getting there and going back to the cruiser
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boxington posted...

maybe the planet Luke is on has very short day/night cycles

you're right

didnt he have like 2 suns
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You would think with all that futuristic tech she could have programmed the cruiser to do the lightspeed thing after she left on a transport, or command a droid to do it
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einegutePerson posted...

I have to ask... Why didn't the stupid admiral lady just plan on ramming the thing in the first place? Like... Ridiculous!

Wasn't she trying to lead them away while the Resistance took refuge on Crait? She may have intended to do what she did much later, once she was confident the others had time to get away and once she had practically no fuel left to kite them further.

She only did it when she did it out of desperation, and there was no guarantee it was going to work out as well as it did.

In fact, had she tried earlier without the Order's attention on the escaping transports, she'd probably have been blown to bits mid-turn.
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OK fine

Why did the laser shots have drop to them in the vacuum of space answer me that
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I didn't even watch it because its shit.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

You would think with all that futuristic tech she could have programmed the cruiser to do the lightspeed thing after she left on a transport, or command a droid to do it

She's probably still alive. I'm sure that just before the ship sped up, she jumped out a window and flew to safety
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Eh, was Leia flying? Looked like to me she was using the force to pull herself to the ship.
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The Yoda puppet looked like complete ass and I would have preferred CG Yoda. Though looking back on it, the puppet is a great bridge to Episode 1 and it's shitty Yoda puppet.
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Luke's death made no sense.

"I used the force too much and it killed me"

I wouldn't be surprised if he is not actually Dead
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VTBM posted...

The Yoda puppet looked like complete ass and I would have preferred CG Yoda. Though looking back on it, the puppet is a great bridge to Episode 1 and it's shitty Yoda puppet.

Wasn't he completely CGI
Looked that way to me
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itachi15243 posted...

Luke's death made no sense.

"I used the force too much and it killed me"

I wouldn't be surprised if he is not actually Dead

I don't think it killed him. I think he gave himself up to the force willingly.
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What's up with those bombers in the beginning?

They had to be super fucking slow for plot or whatever.

But then like somehow once the bombs were released they went straight down like there was gravity in space or something. Plus that woman that released them while on her back was exposed to the vacuum under her.
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theAteam posted...

What's up with those bombers in the beginning?

They had to be super fucking slow for plot or whatever.

But then like somehow once the bombs were released they went straight down like there was gravity in space or something. Plus that woman that released them while on her back was exposed to the vacuum under her.

Well they have open hangars on capital ships. Assume magic tech.

As far as the bombs dropping, once they leave the artificial gravity of the ship they'd maintain that momentum right? Because space has no friction.
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theAteam posted...

What's up with those bombers in the beginning?

They had to be super fucking slow for plot or whatever.

But then like somehow once the bombs were released they went straight down like there was gravity in space or something. Plus that woman that released them while on her back was exposed to the vacuum under her.

I assume the bombers have some sort of weak shielding around them that keeps some atmosphere, otherwise the bombs would just get sucked out of the bottom.
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Freddie_Mercury posted...

why didn't admiral tumblr just tell poe the plan

Great name for her. This shall now be my name for her as well.
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armandro posted...

boxington posted...

maybe the planet Luke is on has very short day/night cycles

you're right

didnt he have like 2 suns

I think the shot of two suns at the end was a mirage/Luke "hallucinating" the two suns setting on Tatooine.
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Freddie_Mercury posted...

why didn't admiral tumblr just tell poe the plan

Maybe she thought the that there was a mole on the ship and didn't want info leaked? I don't remember what Po told her about the tracking.
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LightHawKnight posted...

itachi15243 posted...

Luke's death made no sense.

"I used the force too much and it killed me"

I wouldn't be surprised if he is not actually Dead

I don't think it killed him. I think he gave himself up to the force willingly.

Why would he need or want to do that when he could apparently become what's essentially a force ghost at will, while having a living body.

I'm somewhat wondering if after this he'll be able to become something like a tangible force ghost or something like that.

Some way of materializing or something that would allow for him to effect the world more directly. Isn't a force ghost supposed to be stronger.

I wonder if the added strength of becoming one with the force for him would make a physical body somewhat of a detriment to Luke with how strong he is now.
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itachi15243 posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

itachi15243 posted...

Luke's death made no sense.

"I used the force too much and it killed me"

I wouldn't be surprised if he is not actually Dead

I don't think it killed him. I think he gave himself up to the force willingly.

Why would he need or want to do that when he could apparently become what's essentially a force ghost at will, while having a living body.

I'm somewhat wondering if after this he'll be able to become something like a tangible force ghost or something like that.

Some way of materializing or something that would allow for him to effect the world more directly. Isn't a force ghost supposed to be stronger or something like that.

I wonder if the added strength of becoming one with the force for him would make a physical body somewhat of a detriment to Luke with how strong he is now.

Because he wanted to? He finally went back to the force after hiding from it for so long. And it does seem to take less effort for a force ghost go to places to do stuff. I mean look at Yoda.
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itachi15243 posted...

Why would he need or want to do that when he could apparently become what's essentially a force ghost at will, while having a living body.

Force use taxes the body
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einegutePerson posted...

I don't think the film really conveyed the desperate nature of the Resistance well. I mean, I saw entire transports get destroyed and somehow felt nothing.

The film attempts to convey the desperation with Rose's sister's suicide bombing run, and the relentless cruiser chase scenes that you hated.

einegutePerson posted...

The salt world speeders had me so perplexed. Tactically, they are bright red SHOOT ME targets. And then they weren't shot at until MUCH later. And they stopped shooting Finn for some reason. Which was hilarious. And the crash should have killed both Finn and Rose.

The red is a feature of the planet the the resistance doesn't have any other options when it comes to choosing vehicles.

The enemy TIE fighters have to launch before they can fire on the speeders. Later, they stop shooting at Finn because Kylo impulsively directs all air cover to engage his father's ship.

einegutePerson posted...

And the lightsaber battle was entertaining, but clearly they are choosing to hold back on those fights.

They didn't hold back with the Praetorian Guard... that choreography was some of the best in the series
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Polycosm posted...

The enemy TIE fighters have to launch before they can fire on the speeders

How about them big walkers you got big boy
I fucking know the salt was red that wasn't the problem

Polycosm posted...

They didn't hold back with the Praetorian Guard... that choreography was some of the best in the series

Some of the fights. Not all.
And lightsaber play was very interesting this time around. But they are still teasing fights, even by OT standards.
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LightHawKnight posted...

itachi15243 posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

itachi15243 posted...

Luke's death made no sense.

"I used the force too much and it killed me"

I wouldn't be surprised if he is not actually Dead

I don't think it killed him. I think he gave himself up to the force willingly.

Why would he need or want to do that when he could apparently become what's essentially a force ghost at will, while having a living body.

I'm somewhat wondering if after this he'll be able to become something like a tangible force ghost or something like that.

Some way of materializing or something that would allow for him to effect the world more directly. Isn't a force ghost supposed to be stronger or something like that.

I wonder if the added strength of becoming one with the force for him would make a physical body somewhat of a detriment to Luke with how strong he is now.

Because he wanted to? He finally went back to the force after hiding from it for so long. And it does seem to take less effort for a force ghost go to places to do stuff. I mean look at Yoda.

It pretty much just feels like a cop out because Luke was way too strong. And considering that he did something that you usually need to be dead to be capable of force wise, I feel like if they go the force ghost route, he should be able to do far more than any other Force ghost has ever shown by a lot

einegutePerson posted...

itachi15243 posted...

Why would he need or want to do that when he could apparently become what's essentially a force ghost at will, while having a living body.

Force use taxes the body

He could have easily just went there among other places before either doing this or dying. Probably would have been a lot more helpful.

However since a force ghost can become a tangible being to an extent if they want, and keep most force traits, this seems even more pointless. Now he's potentially more dangerous
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The whole "Lightspeed into the Dreadnought" was fucking stupid.

I actually liked it conceptually, especially because that's probably about how it would go (I'm sure someone on Reddit is already working on the math), but the problem is that was never shown before in the series. It's not like it's an obscure, unthinkable tactic that only SHE just thought of.

You can only assume that there is some flaw to it, like shields on either ship interfering with it. Otherwise, the concept of large ships in general would be far too risky.

Why would you risk large ships in combat when you know that you can basically drone-suicide-bomb them with something far smaller and inferior? You wouldn't. The goddamn Death Star would have been a laughably ineffective weapon because of this strategy.
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Best part was Luke milking alien titties
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WaffIeElite posted...

The whole "Lightspeed into the Dreadnought" was fucking stupid.

I actually liked it conceptually, especially because that's probably about how it would go (I'm sure someone on Reddit is already working on the math), but the problem is that was never shown before in the series.

I loved this moment in the film. If there was an explanation for it though, then I missed it. The film moves at break-neck speed in the second half, so it's entirely possible that some critical piece of info went right over my head.

They did use a light-speed trick in TFA to get around the Starkiller Base shields, but I don't remember the precise mechanics of that maneuver.
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

Best part was Luke milking alien titties

This right here.
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littlebro07 posted...

einegutePerson posted...

Also i don't get how days passed for Rei

But somehow the cruiser only had 18 hours to survive

Like

Idgi

I figured that the events weren't happening simultaneously. Rey and Luke's Island Adventure started a few days before the Resistance stuff. Like when Finn says "Where's Rey?" and the next scene is her handing Luke the lightsaber, I don't think that's literally where she is right when he said that. It's a flashback to a few days ago.

Wasn't she communicating with kylo the whole time while he was in pursuit of the resistance?

This is probably my biggest beef with the movie. I don't mind the spoilers, the new characters or the acting. The problem is the movie just felt like a confusing mess transitioning between scenes and then you have plot holes and outright dropped plots from TFA. Hopefully JJ Abrams will be able to pick up the pieces next time around.
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The Nintendo Master posted...

Freddie_Mercury posted...

why didn't admiral tumblr just tell poe the plan

Great name for her. This shall now be my name for her as well.

I don't get it
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A few things I didn't like

Rey is nobody that came from nothing. Yet she shares a force bond with kylo

Snoke turned out to be a jobber with no back story. In TFA they play him as this behind the scenes mastermind, now he's like a cocky pimp or something.

The whole tracking bit was silly and complicated. Wouldn't it have been easier to sat they were able to track Finn because all stop troopers are fitted with tracking chips in the brain or something?
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einegutePerson posted...

littlebro07 posted...

einegutePerson posted...

I have to ask... Why didn't the stupid admiral lady just plan on ramming the thing in the first place? Like... Ridiculous!

Making the decision to kill yourself isn't exactly an easy one

She'd already made it tho

Which was fucking dumb in an of itself.

>Someone has to stay behind and fly the ship
Hum, why? It's just going straight, you're telling me this spaceship doesn't have an auto-pilot.

>Proceeds to stand near the glass, not actually flying the ship
Yeah, that's what I thought...

Also ridiculously stupid how much damage ramming a ship at lightspeed does. It basically means star destroyers and dreadnaughts are useless, because every single ship can jump to lightspeed. Hell, why even have lasers and weapon systems, just throw spaceships at lightspeed at each other...
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Link HT posted...

Also ridiculously stupid how much damage ramming a ship at lightspeed does. It basically means star destroyers and dreadnaughts are useless, because every single ship can jump to lightspeed. Hell, why even have lasers and weapon systems, just throw spaceships at lightspeed at each other...

Cruisers cost a lot of money to build, and you're not going to guarantee that it's not a 1:1 thing with every collision either.

It was a desperation maneuver... That she should have made sooner. In my opinion
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einegutePerson posted...

Link HT posted...

Also ridiculously stupid how much damage ramming a ship at lightspeed does. It basically means star destroyers and dreadnaughts are useless, because every single ship can jump to lightspeed. Hell, why even have lasers and weapon systems, just throw spaceships at lightspeed at each other...

Cruisers cost a lot of money to build, and you're not going to guarantee that it's not a 1:1 thing with every collision either.

It was a desperation maneuver... That she should have made sooner. In my opinion

oh please, you could build thousands of cruisers for the cost of a dreadnaught. The idea was just dumb, it's an event that makes no sense when you look at every other space battle and sets a horrible precedent.

It also annoyed me how upset Leia was to lose like 10 people for destroying a star destroyer with thousands on board. It was 100% a right move, that was like trading a pawn for a queen and we're supposed to agree with Leia? Get out of here...
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I disagree. I think that was one of the better parts of the film, the lesson everyone was trying to learn.
What good are heroes if they are dead

In this aspect, pretty much every character learned.
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einegutePerson posted...

I disagree. I think that was one of the better parts of the film, the lesson everyone was trying to learn.
What good are heroes if they are dead

In this aspect, pretty much every character learned.

lol what heroes? They're rebel soldiers. They're supposed to be fighting a war and if Leia thinks losing 10 people and 10 X-Wings for taking down a star destroyer is a bad trade-off then she's a moron and a terrible general. You can't win a war with no casualties.
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Polycosm posted...

einegutePerson posted...

The salt world speeders had me so perplexed. Tactically, they are bright red SHOOT ME targets. And then they weren't shot at until MUCH later. And they stopped shooting Finn for some reason. Which was hilarious. And the crash should have killed both Finn and Rose.

The red is a feature of the planet the the resistance doesn't have any other options when it comes to choosing vehicles.

the only purpose of the salt turning red was to foreshadow that luke wasnt physically present on the planet (only person who didnt leave footprints) during his stand against kylo.
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bkkorps posted...

the only purpose of the salt turning red was to foreshadow that luke wasnt physically present on the planet (only person who didnt leave footprints) during his stand against kylo.

I think it was a visual thing, it looked pretty cool
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