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Deadpool_18
12/12/17 11:32:04 PM
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This movie is fucking awesome. Apocalypse sucked so much ass that I was nervous about renting this one, but man am I glad I did. This is what a superhero movie SHOULD be.
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AlternativeFAQS
12/12/17 11:33:12 PM
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large movie studios didnt think hard R comic movies would sell
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boxington
12/12/17 11:33:20 PM
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Logan is probably my favorite superhero movie
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ledbowman
12/12/17 11:33:37 PM
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Because movies are afraid to be sincere and not have jokes every 2 minutes.
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Kitt
12/12/17 11:36:19 PM
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AlternativeFAQS posted...
large movie studios didnt think hard R comic movies would sell

This.

Now that somebody did it right with good results, everybody will start doing it.
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Deadpool_18
12/12/17 11:37:25 PM
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ledbowman posted...
Because movies are afraid to be sincere and not have jokes every 2 minutes.


Thats Marvels biggest downfall for me.
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Hinakuluiau
12/12/17 11:38:32 PM
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Apocalypse sucked because of Fox.
Justice League sucked because of WB.

So, the studios.
Notice how when Fox let them do what they want we get Deadpool and Logan. The former being quite a bit of fun and the latter being one of the best superhero movies of all time.
Look at Wonder Woman, where WB let Patty Jenkins do what she wanted and let the chemistry between Gadot and Pine flow through. It went well (or well, better than the rest of the DCEU).

Look at the MCU. You get a lot of the same movies with a paint over them. A lot of the details change, but the larger points are the same from movie to movie.
People like it I guess, but they don't actually reach the heights of Logan.

C'mon. There are literally people who think that Guardians 2 was a good movie. So long as these people exist we're not going to get too many superhero movies like Logan.
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sutree
12/12/17 11:39:04 PM
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The last 15-20 minutes of Logan ruined the entire movie for me.
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ledbowman
12/12/17 11:39:48 PM
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Logan, DOFP, and Deadpool are all better than any MCU movie because they're not afraid to be radical. I hope Black Panther can turn it around for them.
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foreveraIone
12/12/17 11:39:57 PM
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Kitt posted...
AlternativeFAQS posted...
large movie studios didnt think hard R comic movies would sell

This.

Now that somebody did it right with good results, everybody will start doing it.

deadpool actually did it first

we are going to see more r rated...

oh wait nvm fuck u Disney
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sabin017
12/12/17 11:40:19 PM
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Logan isn't really a superhero movie though.
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foreveraIone
12/12/17 11:41:24 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
C'mon. There are literally people who think that Guardians 2 was a good movie. So long as these people exist we're not going to get too many superhero movies like Logan

no it's Disney's fault. Logan and deadpool did great financially.

they bought up fox and now we won't get any R rated comic book movies.

dceu is done for.
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TheCyborgNinja
12/12/17 11:44:13 PM
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Because Disney are jerkoffs who have to pander to the lowest common denominator at all times, in their opinion.
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OctilIery
12/12/17 11:45:13 PM
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Kitt posted...
AlternativeFAQS posted...
large movie studios didnt think hard R comic movies would sell

This.

Now that somebody did it right with good results, everybody will start doing it.

Yup. Its already started. I can't remember all of the ones announced, but at the very least the new Hellboy will be R rated, though I have little faith in that.
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Deadpool_18
12/12/17 11:45:24 PM
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Like...Logan even does the everyone you interact with is dead part of Wolverines character well.
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OctilIery
12/12/17 11:47:21 PM
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Deadpool_18 posted...
Like...Logan even does the everyone you interact with is dead part of Wolverines character well.

Mind you, Logan probably never would've happened without Deadpool, and Deadpool never would've happened if Ryan Reynolds didn't push so hard for it.

R rated movies are considered a bad investment, generally, though that's being challenged big time lately.
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Deadpool_18
12/12/17 11:57:20 PM
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OctilIery posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
Like...Logan even does the everyone you interact with is dead part of Wolverines character well.

Mind you, Logan probably never would've happened without Deadpool, and Deadpool never would've happened if Ryan Reynolds didn't push so hard for it.

R rated movies are considered a bad investment, generally, though that's being challenged big time lately.


Im so grateful for that. I was a big Ryan Reynolds fan when I saw him in Just Friends and have loved him ever since. This just adds to that.
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boxington
12/12/17 11:59:36 PM
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it's funny how most studios might have distanced themselves from Reynolds after the Origins movie, but he was given a second chance as the same character
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Deadpool_18
12/13/17 12:02:33 AM
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boxington posted...
it's funny how most studios might have distanced themselves from Reynolds after the Origins movie, but he was given a second chance as the same character


I remember him being great in that movie pre-mouth sewing.
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boxington
12/13/17 12:06:54 AM
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I don't mean because he was bad, but because the movie was bad, and his playing the same character might turn potential viewers away who might expect some of the same
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cjsdowg
12/13/17 12:12:58 AM
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Well one of big parts of Logan was that we knew the character. Many people literally grew up with him. So watching him die something that could hit the view in the heart.
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Skye Reynolds
12/13/17 12:26:22 AM
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Kitt posted...
AlternativeFAQS posted...
large movie studios didnt think hard R comic movies would sell

This.

Now that somebody did it right with good results, everybody will start doing it.


I hope not. Mortal Kombat paved the way for violent content in video gaming, but that didn't mean that Mario and Sonic needed to start severing limbs and ripping out spines. Some things need to more or less remain accessible to young audiences.

If Marvel wants to do an R rated Deadpool and a PG-13 Spider-Man, that would be for the best. The same goes for DC and some of its heroes. If the only way they can generate interest in Aquaman is to give him a hard R film, so be it. As for a character like Batman, he remains a poplar figure among children despite attempts to make him darker. It's okay for him to be R rated and animated, but the mainstream live action films featuring him shouldn't exclude someone who might wear a Batman costume to go trick-or-treating on Halloween. Especially not after the Lego Movie received greater acclaim than any of the recent live action DC offerings.
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YookaLaylee
12/13/17 12:27:33 AM
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sutree posted...
The last 15-20 minutes of Logan ruined the entire movie for me.

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Deadpool_18
12/13/17 12:30:25 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
sutree posted...
The last 15-20 minutes of Logan ruined the entire movie for me.


What in particular?
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Mal_Fet
12/13/17 12:32:48 AM
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Logan was so meh

Fun concept, but meh everything else. Xavier was underutilized. X-23 was underutilized. Villain sucked. No explanation for Eden being real.

Also much of it was just boring.
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Zodd3224
12/13/17 12:37:46 AM
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I think if they replaced the Wolverine clone with Sabretooth its a perfect movie
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Deadpool_18
12/13/17 2:12:10 PM
#27:


Mal_Fet posted...
Logan was so meh

Fun concept, but meh everything else. Xavier was underutilized. X-23 was underutilized. Villain sucked. No explanation for Eden being real.

Also much of it was just boring.


Hows it feel to always come out on bottom with your opinions?
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a_riot04
12/13/17 2:46:42 PM
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Deadpool was meh, Logan is a fucking masterpiece. I was surprised when I googled a bit that silver samurai was the same director, cause it was also meh.

Watchmen is one of my top 5 comic book movies, after that Snyder movies just went down hill for me.
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Deadpool_18
12/13/17 3:01:13 PM
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a_riot04 posted...
Deadpool was meh, Logan is a fucking masterpiece. I was surprised when I googled a bit that silver samurai was the same director, cause it was also meh.

Watchmen is one of my top 5 comic book movies, after that Snyder movies just went down hill for me.


Yeah, I have to feel that the only reason Watchmen was good was because Snyder followed the graphic novel almost word for word and scene for scene.
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Xelltrix
12/13/17 3:02:28 PM
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I love jokey comic movies. I also love the dramatic emotion filled ones. It's a mood thing, I don't think either form is superior.
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Deadpool_18
12/13/17 3:14:47 PM
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Xelltrix posted...
I love jokey comic movies. I also love the dramatic emotion filled ones. It's a mood thing, I don't think either form is superior.


You can agree that slapstick comedy movies are kind of oversaturating the genre, though, yes?
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RE_expert44
12/13/17 3:16:59 PM
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Deadpool_18 posted...
a_riot04 posted...
Deadpool was meh, Logan is a fucking masterpiece. I was surprised when I googled a bit that silver samurai was the same director, cause it was also meh.

Watchmen is one of my top 5 comic book movies, after that Snyder movies just went down hill for me.


Yeah, I have to feel that the only reason Watchmen was good was because Snyder followed the graphic novel almost word for word and scene for scene.

Even the 4 legged chicken.
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Xelltrix
12/13/17 3:17:53 PM
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Eh, not really. That's what I think of when I think of superheroes and comics since a majority of the time, comic book stories aren't usually good enough to be dramas.
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Knowledge_King
12/13/17 3:19:49 PM
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It's not the right tone for everyone. Also not exceptionally good or anything. I'd take Apocalypse over Logan.
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Xelltrix
12/13/17 3:20:22 PM
#35:


Knowledge_King posted...
I'd take Apocalypse over Logan.


Gross.
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Deadpool_18
12/13/17 3:29:35 PM
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Xelltrix posted...
Eh, not really. That's what I think of when I think of superheroes and comics since a majority of the time, comic book stories aren't usually good enough to be dramas.


Idk. I believe the best comics are the dramatic comics. You feel more vested.

Knowledge_King posted...
I'd take Apocalypse over Logan.


Apocalypse is literally the worst modern superhero movie made. Logan surpasses it in every regard. I feel like viewers such as yourself are one of the reasons why Disney keeps pandering to the lowest common denominator.
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prince_leo
12/13/17 3:31:03 PM
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Deadpool_18 posted...
You can agree that slapstick comedy movies are kind of oversaturating the genre, though, yes?

my problem is more that the MCU seems to focus on that more than other things. take Thor 3. I loved the movie, was a whole lotta fun
but two scenes stand out to me that were ruined by comedy
1. Thor/Loki in the elevator having a heart-to-heart talk and then just jokes
2. Asgard's destruction getting two jokes

it just seems that they're not secure in letting the serious moments actually hit without bringing in the comedy
Guardians 2 did the emotional stuff better, but imo it felt unearned
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Deadpool_18
12/13/17 3:32:27 PM
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prince_leo posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
You can agree that slapstick comedy movies are kind of oversaturating the genre, though, yes?

my problem is more that the MCU seems to focus on that more than other things. take Thor 3. I loved the movie, was a whole lotta fun
but two scenes stand out to me that were ruined by comedy
1. Thor/Loki in the elevator having a heart-to-heart talk and then just jokes
2. Asgard's destruction getting two jokes

it just seems that they're not secure in letting the serious moments actually hit without bringing in the comedy
Guardians 2 did the emotional stuff better, but imo it felt unearned


Guardians 2 was just awful, imo. And I remember AoU being completely ruined with comedic relief.
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prince_leo
12/13/17 3:36:10 PM
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oh, I agree. I think Justice League was somehow better than it
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Knowledge_King
12/14/17 12:01:39 AM
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Deadpool_18 posted...
Apocalypse is literally the worst modern superhero movie made. Logan surpasses it in every regard. I feel like viewers such as yourself are one of the reasons why Disney keeps pandering to the lowest common denominator.


I disagree. Also Disney has nothing to do with either of these movies.

Apocalypse's only failure was...Apocalypse himself. Not very accurate on his design or voice or anything like that. Logan was just...meh the whole time. Decent but not great.
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Darmik
12/14/17 12:06:36 AM
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Deadpool_18 posted...
This is what a superhero movie SHOULD be.


I love Logan but no. It wouldn't fit most superheroes. Just a handful of heroes/characters like The Punisher (which has a violent Netflix series now) and characters like Deathstroke.

This sorta logic lead to Man of Steel after the Nolan Batman trilogy. Just because something fits one property doesn't mean it'll fit others. Chasing a trend doesn't always work.
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ChromaticAngel
12/14/17 12:07:31 AM
#43:


prince_leo posted...
it just seems that they're not secure in letting the serious moments actually hit without bringing in the comedy
Guardians 2 did the emotional stuff better, but imo it felt unearned


Guardians 2 had Starlord transform into Pac-Man during a pivotal dramatic moment.
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jstewart01
12/14/17 12:08:25 AM
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prince_leo posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
You can agree that slapstick comedy movies are kind of oversaturating the genre, though, yes?

my problem is more that the MCU seems to focus on that more than other things. take Thor 3. I loved the movie, was a whole lotta fun
but two scenes stand out to me that were ruined by comedy
1. Thor/Loki in the elevator having a heart-to-heart talk and then just jokes
2. Asgard's destruction getting two jokes

it just seems that they're not secure in letting the serious moments actually hit without bringing in the comedy
Guardians 2 did the emotional stuff better, but imo it felt unearned


The elevator scene, was supposed to show a connection of the games that Thor and Loki used to play as a child.

One scene I didn't like was Bruce falling out out of the ship when he was supposed to turn into Hulk.
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ChromaticAngel
12/14/17 12:09:04 AM
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jstewart01 posted...
One scene I didn't like was Bruce falling out out of the ship when he was supposed to turn into Hulk.


it was also literally a reused scene from The Incredible Hulk.
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Xelltrix
12/14/17 12:11:17 AM
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That was hilarious.
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prince_leo
12/14/17 3:17:51 AM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Guardians 2 had Starlord transform into Pac-Man during a pivotal dramatic moment.

yeah and it was total dogshit
I meant more that the Yondu stuff was handled better than the emotional scenes in Thor 3, just that we weren't really given a reason to care except that the characters said so

i'm not really gonna defend gotg 2 since I disliked it lol

jstewart01 posted...
The elevator scene, was supposed to show a connection of the games that Thor and Loki used to play as a child.

I get what they were going for. personally they were doing so well with the connection building without turning it into a joke, that when they did it just felt like they weren't secure in a not-funny scene
I love taika waititi and was thrilled when he was announced to be the director, and I def had fun with Thor 3, it just has some issues that would have been pretty easy to fix
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jstewart01
12/15/17 7:18:36 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
C'mon. There are literally people who think that Guardians 2 was a good movie.


It's almost like people have different opinions or something.
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Deadpool_18
12/16/17 3:15:53 PM
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jstewart01 posted...
Hinakuluiau posted...
C'mon. There are literally people who think that Guardians 2 was a good movie.


It's almost like people have different opinions or something.


Opinions can be and typically ARE wrong. I dont understand where people get the idea that opinions are infallible just because theyre opinions. The person holding the opinion is frequently misinformed or inexperienced so that their standard is set very low.
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Ruvan22
12/16/17 3:49:30 PM
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I liked Logan, and definitely felt moved by it/the ending, but wasn't sure what somebody who didn't know Logan/Wolverine's background would feel about it. Has anybody here talked to somebody that saw Logan but wasn't familiar with the backstories?
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