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ToonLinkWithGun
12/08/17 8:16:57 PM
#51:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Bandit_Keith posted...
Even still, what does old law from millennia ago have to do with the law of today? Christians read the old testament, but follow the religion of the new testament as best as it fits in the world today. But even that does not define the laws we live by today as a nation.

Yet a bunch of them insist that the Ten Commandments be the law of the land.

Jesus touches on the commandments perfectly in Matthew. Also do you want murder and stealing to be okag?
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Barenziah Boy Toy
12/08/17 8:17:55 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Jesus touches on the commandments perfectly in Matthew.

Jesus says to throw out the old Commandments and just follow the golden rule.
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ToonLinkWithGun
12/08/17 8:18:33 PM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
We Christians are under the New Covenant. Not the old.

So the Ten Commandments are invalid? Along with Noah's Ark, and Adam and Eve?

They aren't invalid. They are just events that occurred under the Old Covenant before Jesus came and fulfilled it with His death and resurrection.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
12/08/17 8:19:45 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
They aren't invalid. They are just events that occurred under the Old Covenant before Jesus came and fulfilled it with His death and resurrection.

So the Rape compensation commandment isn't invalid, then.
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ToonLinkWithGun
12/08/17 8:20:00 PM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Jesus touches on the commandments perfectly in Matthew.

Jesus says to throw out the old Commandments and just follow the golden rule.

No, he does not. Did you not read the sermon on the mount? He did say that the greatest commndment was to love the Lord with all your mind soul body and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. If you do those things then naturally you follow the rest.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
12/08/17 8:21:09 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
If you do those things then naturally you follow the rest.

Which is completely false. You can't love your neighbor as you would yourself, and then follow the commandment that judges people for believing in other gods. The Golden Rule specifically violates some of the biggest commandments in the Old Testament.
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thanosibe
12/08/17 8:22:47 PM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Jesus touches on the commandments perfectly in Matthew.

Jesus says to throw out the old Commandments and just follow the golden rule.
Have you read the Bible ever? Jesus points out in his teachings many principles of the old covenant that are still valid. The laws themselves were transcended by his sacrifice. But many of the principles; adultry, murder, thievery and the golden rule as a guideline for people to live by Jesus' teachings.
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ThanksUglyGod
12/08/17 8:23:48 PM
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_RETS_ posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
So the girl is considered "damaged property" and the man just has to marry her and pay her father.

Yup, seems totally fair.


Not considered damaged property by God, but by the society at the time. Marriage was the one way of giving her at least a little hope she wouldn't be at the absolute bottom of society and a way to try and salvage a bad situation.

I guess my problem with it is that these holy texts, arguably the biggest influence of culture at the time, didn't do anything to give those women some autonomy. Instead you get stuff like
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
12/08/17 8:24:04 PM
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thanosibe posted...
Jesus points out in his teachings many principles of the old covenant that are still valid. The laws themselves were transcended by his sacrifice. But many of the principles; adultry, murder, thievery and the golden rule as a guideline for people to live by Jesus' teachings.

Including the Rape Compensation commandment. They were still following that commandment when Jesus was kickin' it.
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ToonLinkWithGun
12/08/17 8:24:12 PM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
If you do those things then naturally you follow the rest.

Which is completely false. You can't love your neighbor as you would yourself, and then follow the commandment that judges people for believing in other gods. The Golden Rule specifically violates some of the biggest commandments in the Old Testament.

You don't understand the point of Jesus coming then.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
12/08/17 8:25:36 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
You don't understand the point of Jesus coming then.

I understand perfectly. The Bible is a contradictory gaggle of texts written by a bunch of idiotic authoritative priests worse than today's Republican Congress.
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thanosibe
12/08/17 8:30:10 PM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
thanosibe posted...
Jesus points out in his teachings many principles of the old covenant that are still valid. The laws themselves were transcended by his sacrifice. But many of the principles; adultry, murder, thievery and the golden rule as a guideline for people to live by Jesus' teachings.

Including the Rape Compensation commandment. They were still following that commandment when Jesus was kickin' it.
No. And that's the entire point of Jesus coming to Earth. Now; or if not from the start, you're just trolling.
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nicklebro
12/08/17 8:33:36 PM
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Religion is just the fucking worst. Oh you know who should tell us how to treat each other and how we should live our lives today? A bunch of savages from 2k years ago! Sounds like a great idea! They obviously knew what's gonna work for the rest of time!

Fucking stupid. It's the cause of all this bullshit nowadays. Think I'm joking? Israel /Palestine? ISIS? Hell the Bible was used to argue against and for slavery, and the Bible was literally just used to defend a pedophile so he can be elected to the Senate!
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The Admiral
12/08/17 8:34:02 PM
#64:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
You don't understand the point of Jesus coming then.

I understand perfectly. The Bible is a contradictory gaggle of texts written by a bunch of idiotic authoritative priests worse than today's Republican Congress.


No, he's right. You have no understanding of the Bible whatsoever and routinely say the dumbest shit about it. I would say this topic was trolling if I didn't think you were just genuinely that ignorant.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/08/17 8:36:47 PM
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@Barenziah_Boy_Toy

holy shit why do you insist on embarrassing yourself this hard
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bevan306
12/08/17 8:39:21 PM
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the bible makes sense when you realize god is a moral relativist
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ToonLinkWithGun
12/08/17 9:19:56 PM
#67:


nicklebro posted...
Religion is just the fucking worst. Oh you know who should tell us how to treat each other and how we should live our lives today? A bunch of savages from 2k years ago! Sounds like a great idea! They obviously knew what's gonna work for the rest of time!

Fucking stupid. It's the cause of all this bullshit nowadays. Think I'm joking? Israel /Palestine? ISIS? Hell the Bible was used to argue against and for slavery, and the Bible was literally just used to defend a pedophile so he can be elected to the Senate!

Jesus wasn't even close to anything savage and he is literally the final word on how we as Christians should live.
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Turbam
12/08/17 9:23:38 PM
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God's kills in the Bible- millions, perhaps billions
Satan's kills in the Bible- 4
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thanosibe
12/08/17 9:25:10 PM
#70:


nicklebro posted...
Religion is just the fucking worst. Oh you know who should tell us how to treat each other and how we should live our lives today? A bunch of savages from 2k years ago! Sounds like a great idea! They obviously knew what's gonna work for the rest of time!

Fucking stupid. It's the cause of all this bullshit nowadays. Think I'm joking? Israel /Palestine? ISIS? Hell the Bible was used to argue against and for slavery, and the Bible was literally just used to defend a pedophile so he can be elected to the Senate!
Shit people construing the Bible for shit agendas doesn't mean the Bible is actually supporting those shit agendas. I think it's more CE's hate boner for religion and the Bible that they're incapable of being objective about it.
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ToonLinkWithGun
12/08/17 9:45:37 PM
#71:


Turbam posted...
God's kills in the Bible- millions, perhaps billions
Satan's kills in the Bible- 4

Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy. Not God.
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nicklebro
12/08/17 9:47:02 PM
#72:


ToonLinkWithGun posted...
nicklebro posted...
Religion is just the fucking worst. Oh you know who should tell us how to treat each other and how we should live our lives today? A bunch of savages from 2k years ago! Sounds like a great idea! They obviously knew what's gonna work for the rest of time!

Fucking stupid. It's the cause of all this bullshit nowadays. Think I'm joking? Israel /Palestine? ISIS? Hell the Bible was used to argue against and for slavery, and the Bible was literally just used to defend a pedophile so he can be elected to the Senate!

Jesus wasn't even close to anything savage and he is literally the final word on how we as Christians should live.

How do you know he wasn't a Savage? And he didn't write the Bible anyways. Yeah Jesus is the final word on how Christians should behave, unless it's all bullshit, in which case it's just a useless book with some obvious lessons mixed in with absolute nonsense.
thanosibe posted...
Shit people construing the Bible for shit agendas doesn't mean the Bible is actually supporting those shit agendas. I think it's more CE's hate boner for religion and the Bible that they're incapable of being objective about it.

Pretty sure it's religious people that are incapable of being objective about the Bible.

Fact is that religion in general can convince a person to do horrible things that would never do otherwise. And it also.lets people rationalize their terrible misdeeds based on their interpretation. Religion is dead.
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ToonLinkWithGun
12/08/17 9:53:07 PM
#73:


nicklebro posted...
How do you know he wasn't a Savage? And he didn't write the Bible anyways. Yeah Jesus is the final word on how Christians should behave, unless it's all bullshit, in which case it's just a useless book with some obvious lessons mixed in with absolute nonsense.

Do you have some verses where Jesus killed a bunch of people? If He didn't write the Bible then it reinforces He not being a savage even more since His life was witness accounts.

I don't believe it is BS and contrary to what the world would have you believe, Jesus was an awesome man with some solid teaching.
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nicklebro
12/08/17 9:57:59 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
nicklebro posted...
How do you know he wasn't a Savage? And he didn't write the Bible anyways. Yeah Jesus is the final word on how Christians should behave, unless it's all bullshit, in which case it's just a useless book with some obvious lessons mixed in with absolute nonsense.

Do you have some verses where Jesus killed a bunch of people? If He didn't write the Bible then it reinforces He not being a savage even more since His life was witness accounts.

I don't believe it is BS and contrary to what the world would have you believe, Jesus was an awesome man with some solid teaching.

You have no idea if that's true, you have some "eye witness accounts" that were written like a century after his death and the entire new testament was cherry picked and edited by Constantine in the middle ages. It's a fairy tale and there's no reason to believe it's holds any actual objective facts in it.

Plus the people who did write it indeed did live like savages. If we saw them today there's no chance you'd live your life according to what they have to say. They know way less than we do now and have no clue how society would change, and morality along with it.
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ToonLinkWithGun
12/08/17 10:00:13 PM
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Nothing I say will matter then since we don't believe the same. Regardless, Jesus is an awesome dude.
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nicklebro
12/08/17 10:06:49 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Nothing I say will matter then since we don't believe the same. Regardless, Jesus is an awesome dude.

Well one of our opinions is based on facts, the other based on wishes.
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ToonLinkWithGun
12/08/17 10:12:43 PM
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nicklebro posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Nothing I say will matter then since we don't believe the same. Regardless, Jesus is an awesome dude.

Well one of our opinions is based on facts, the other based on wishes.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen.
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nicklebro
12/08/17 10:22:33 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
nicklebro posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Nothing I say will matter then since we don't believe the same. Regardless, Jesus is an awesome dude.

Well one of our opinions is based on facts, the other based on wishes.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen.

Faith is not evidence in any shape or form. Words have meanings for a reason, do not try and redefine words for your own selfish purposes.

Faith is belief without evidence. It's literally called blind Faith for a reason, you're just picking something to believe in and hoping you guessed right. It actually requires the lack of reason and logic.
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thanosibe
12/08/17 10:30:24 PM
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nicklebro posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
nicklebro posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Nothing I say will matter then since we don't believe the same. Regardless, Jesus is an awesome dude.

Well one of our opinions is based on facts, the other based on wishes.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen.

Faith is not evidence in any shape or form. Words have meanings for a reason, do not try and redefine words for your own selfish purposes.

Faith is belief without evidence. It's literally called blind Faith for a reason, you're just picking something to believe in and hoping you guessed right. It actually requires the lack of reason and logic.
There's a difference between faith and blind faith. But it seems a concept I'm not surprised you're dishonestly unwilling to grasp. Faith is grounded in evidence for most people. As in I have faith my wife won't cheat on me because she's given me no evidence to think otherwise. Blind faith is like towing the line for an agenda, no matter the evidence people won't change their tune. Much like your posts seem to indicate.
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nicklebro
12/08/17 10:33:16 PM
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thanosibe posted...
There's a difference between faith and blind faith.

No there quite simply is not.
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BalisticWarri0r
12/08/17 10:33:34 PM
#81:


nicklebro posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
nicklebro posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Nothing I say will matter then since we don't believe the same. Regardless, Jesus is an awesome dude.

Well one of our opinions is based on facts, the other based on wishes.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen.

Faith is not evidence in any shape or form. Words have meanings for a reason, do not try and redefine words for your own selfish purposes.

Faith is belief without evidence. It's literally called blind Faith for a reason, you're just picking something to believe in and hoping you guessed right. It actually requires the lack of reason and logic.


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nicklebro
12/08/17 10:36:28 PM
#82:


thanosibe posted...
Blind faith is like towing the line for an agenda, no matter the evidence people won't change their tune. Much like your posts seem to indicate.

Lol you mean like religious faith? The thing we were originally referring to?

thanosibe posted...
Faith is grounded in evidence for most people. As in I have faith my wife won't cheat on me because she's given me no evidence to think otherwise

Wrong. You have evidence, there for faith is not only unnecessary, but impossible. You've deduced the likelihood of your wife cheating on you is small because of the evidence you have. That is objectively not faith.

Again, words have definitions for a reason. Do not try to change them for your own selfish reasons.
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nicklebro
12/08/17 10:37:31 PM
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BalisticWarri0r posted...
nicklebro posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
nicklebro posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Nothing I say will matter then since we don't believe the same. Regardless, Jesus is an awesome dude.

Well one of our opinions is based on facts, the other based on wishes.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen.

Faith is not evidence in any shape or form. Words have meanings for a reason, do not try and redefine words for your own selfish purposes.

Faith is belief without evidence. It's literally called blind Faith for a reason, you're just picking something to believe in and hoping you guessed right. It actually requires the lack of reason and logic.


But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. - 1 Corinthians 2:14

Exactly, even god admits faith is a bunch of woowoo.nonsense.
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Nomadic View
12/08/17 10:39:46 PM
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If a religious book says something bad, then followers of that religion are bad people? Is that really the road you want to go down?
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Barenziah Boy Toy
12/08/17 11:04:24 PM
#85:


ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy. Not God.

I thought Man was responsible for his own crimes.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/08/17 11:05:34 PM
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See, even though I'm an atheist....

I can't believe how dishonest some people here are when it comes to the Bible. These same fucking people are then experts at Islamic apologetics and explaining the nuances in the Quranic teachings. What in the flying fuck?

Are these really the same clowns I used to respect as formidable opponents here? Could've sworn Barenziah used to have a brain back in those years.
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Life Sympathy
12/08/17 11:12:41 PM
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Keep your shit posting to 261 where it belongs TC.
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Lugenpresse
12/08/17 11:59:27 PM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 New International Version (NIV)

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

These are the types of religious values that Roy Moore / Donald Trump / etc., and his supporters want to preserve..

Is there some kind of Christian Sharia Law that makes that legal in place anywhere in the western world?
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Ninja-Yatsu
12/09/17 12:22:25 AM
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Didn't a couple people in the Bible completely destroy a town because the town let their leader rape those people's sister?
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Dash_Harber
12/09/17 12:38:42 AM
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It also outlines the proper way to own slaves and celebrates the mass genocide of innocent Egyptian children.
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Lugenpresse
12/09/17 12:47:23 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
It also outlines the proper way to own slaves and celebrates the mass genocide of innocent Egyptian children.

ancient books are full of ancient thinking? who knew?

are christians today owning slaves and celebrating mass genocide of children?

By comparison, several Muslim countries still practice slavery today, and as for the latter, do I even need to be specific?

Yeah, the bible has some fucked up shit. Who cares? Hardly anyone takes it literally anymore and so it isn't an issue. You want to talk about fucked up religious shit, look at Islam. It never left the dark ages. it's still there.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
12/09/17 1:33:06 AM
#92:


Lugenpresse posted...
Hardly anyone takes it literally anymore and so it isn't an issue.

30-35% of this country takes it literally.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
12/09/17 1:34:47 AM
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Lugenpresse posted...
are christians today owning slaves and celebrating mass genocide of children?

30% of this country thinks we should bomb the Middle East to hell.
Around 30-40% of conservatives support what the Confederacy stood for.
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Lugenpresse
12/09/17 1:39:36 AM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Lugenpresse posted...
Hardly anyone takes it literally anymore and so it isn't an issue.

30-35% of this country takes it literally.

.... you're not very reliable. show me the source for that.

In any case, even if it were true, we don't see these literal interpretations of the bible being acted out in real life the way we do in the Muslim world.
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Dash_Harber
12/09/17 2:08:32 AM
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Lugenpresse posted...
ancient books are full of ancient thinking? who knew?


Except that the book claims that it is a timeless doctrine.

Lugenpresse posted...
are christians today owning slaves and celebrating mass genocide of children?


Yes to the later. The genocide of Muslims in Sarajevo, for example. They also have supported policy and ideas that have done major damage to western countries, such as anti-gay propaganda that has resulted in many, many preventable deaths.

Lugenpresse posted...
By comparison, several Muslim countries still practice slavery today, and as for the latter, do I even need to be specific?


Firstly, if you have to justify your belief by comparing it to others, you might want to re-evaluate your reasons for believing. I would think that a belief like that would require the ability to stand independently from other beliefs.

Second, it's weird that despite over 400 years of industrial slavery being justified by the Bible, you can call it an 'ancient' problem. That's not even mentioning horrific acts committed much more recently in the name of Christianity, such as Residential Schools. The last of which closed in the 1990's.

Third, which specific countries are your referring to?
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ToonLinkWithGun
12/09/17 5:46:28 AM
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I believe what the Word of God says faith is. Not a poster on gamefaqs. God is good. The devil deceives.
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weekoldhotdog
12/09/17 5:49:57 AM
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Why would a woman want to be forced to be with a man who raped her?
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nicklebro
12/09/17 6:30:08 AM
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weekoldhotdog posted...
Why would a woman want to be forced to be with a man who raped her?

She wouldn't, Abrahamic religions could not give less of a fuck about women. Islam.beinf the worst, then Christianity, then Judaism.
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Dragonblade01
12/09/17 6:32:17 AM
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There's no real need to overextend criticisms of the Bible like this.

There's already no reason to treat it as anything more than a book of mythology.
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nicklebro
12/09/17 6:36:55 AM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
There's no real need to overextend criticisms of the Bible like this.

There's already no reason to treat it as anything more than a book of mythology.

Actually there's quye a few reasons to treat it as more than just a book, because no other book comes close to being as dangerous as the Bible/Quran. Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto are in second place and still miles behind these religious texts.
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Dragonblade01
12/09/17 6:40:45 AM
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nicklebro posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
There's no real need to overextend criticisms of the Bible like this.

There's already no reason to treat it as anything more than a book of mythology.

Actually there's quye a few reasons to treat it as more than just a book, because no other book comes close to being as dangerous as the Bible/Quran. Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto are in second place and still miles behind these religious texts.

That's not what I mean. I'm not talking about the impact made by those who use the book and subscribe wholeheartedly to its supposed truth.

I mean that there's no reason to treat it as anything more than a book of mythology in terms of its contents.
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