Current Events > "Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage." -Ben Shapiro

(+) Yeah! (+)

1) "Famous" Guy makes stupid tweet
2) People respond
3) Someone defends it and takes it way too seriously

"You're humiliating yourself for poop emojis"
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I thought this was a pretty thorough dismantling of Shapiro's shtick
https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/12/the-cool-kids-philosopher
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The Admiral posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

One would think you'd get tired of spewing the same bullshit.

One would think you'd get tired of humiliating yourself like this. The impotent rage must killing you.

Was it your own sense of humiliation that made you delete your posts denying Roy Moore's homophobic views or was it something else?
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A_Good_Boy posted...

The Admiral posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

One would think you'd get tired of spewing the same bullshit.

One would think you'd get tired of humiliating yourself like this. The impotent rage must killing you.

Was it your own sense of humiliation that made you delete your posts denying Roy Moore's homophobic views or was it something else?

No, that was someone posting a quote to support Muta's claim and me taking back what I said since I was mistaken. That's the way debates should work, so no humiliation there. Quite unlike our friend here whose only line of argument is using the shit emojis.
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Antifar posted...

I thought this was a pretty thorough dismantling of Shapiro's shtick
https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/12/the-cool-kids-philosopher

The first paragraph pretty much discredits the author right off the back.
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"b-b-b-but ben shapiro is such a good debater!" - idiots
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TomNook20 posted...

Antifar posted...

I thought this was a pretty thorough dismantling of Shapiro's shtick
https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/12/the-cool-kids-philosopher

The first paragraph pretty much discredits the author right off the back.

It's so much easier to baselessly discredit a person than address their (sourced) arguments isn't it?
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lilORANG posted...

It's so much easier to baselessly discredit a person than address their (sourced) arguments isn't it?

This is the first paragraph:

Its easy to laugh, as some of us do, at the phrase conservative intellectual. When the most prominent public spokesmen for the rights ideas include Milo Yiannopoulos, Charles Murray, and Dinesh DSouza, one might conclude that the movement does not have anything serious to offer beyond Feminism is cancer, Black people are dumb, and Democrats are Nazis. (Those are, as I understand it, the central intellectual contributions of Yiannopoulos, Murray, and DSouza, respectively.)

And this is the "source" linked to from the opening line, which was also written by the same author:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/11/socialists-are-winning-the-battle-of-ideas

If you don't want to be called out for being a hack, probably a good idea not to begin an article with petty shit like that.
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The Admiral posted...

lilORANG posted...

It's so much easier to baselessly discredit a person than address their (sourced) arguments isn't it?

This is the first paragraph:

Its easy to laugh, as some of us do, at the phrase conservative intellectual. When the most prominent public spokesmen for the rights ideas include Milo Yiannopoulos, Charles Murray, and Dinesh DSouza, one might conclude that the movement does not have anything serious to offer beyond Feminism is cancer, Black people are dumb, and Democrats are Nazis. (Those are, as I understand it, the central intellectual contributions of Yiannopoulos, Murray, and DSouza, respectively.)

And this is the "source" linked to from the opening line, which was also written by the same author:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/11/socialists-are-winning-the-battle-of-ideas

If you don't want to be called out for being a hack, probably a good idea not to begin an article with petty shit like that.

He probably didn't even read the article.
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ben shapiro truly is a genius

it takes a skilled intellectual to call people morons and pieces of garbage
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there's nothing wrong with that opening paragraph unless you think guys like Milo aren't just trolls.

But the opening paragraph doesn't even contain his arguments regarding shapiro, which is the point of the article and the point of this topic.

But go ahead and accuse people of being a hack while simultaneously admitting you won't look at the substance of their arguments.
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Ben Shapiro wants to be important and admired so bad it's shameful.

lilORANG posted...

there's nothing wrong with that opening paragraph if you're a partisan hack

Mmm hmm. Although I'm sure if someone wrote something similar but replaced those guys with Maher, Colbert, and Oliver you'd be up in arms.

lilORANG posted...

But go ahead and accuse people of being a hack while simultaneously admitting you won't look at the substance of their arguments.

That's funny because that's pretty much what the article does. Cherry picking individual statements, and offering differing viewpoints to various issues doesn't a dismantling make.
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lilORANG posted...

there's nothing wrong with that opening paragraph unless you think guys like Milo aren't just trolls.

But the opening paragraph doesn't even contain his arguments regarding shapiro, which is the point of the article and the point of this topic.

But go ahead and accuse people of being a hack while simultaneously admitting you won't look at the substance of their arguments.

behold the intellectual capacity of shapiro fans
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TomNook20 posted...

Although I'm sure if someone wrote something similar but replaced those guys with Maher, Colbert, and Oliver you'd be up in arms.

I would gladly see those three torn down. I remember a couple years back getting into a big argument over this blog post criticizing Jon Stewart; can't seem to find the piece now.
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Antifar posted...

I would gladly see those three torn down

and replaced with the corpse of karl marx.
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TomNook20 posted...

Mmm hmm. Although I'm sure if someone wrote something similar but replaced those guys with Maher, Colbert, and Oliver you'd be up in arms.

I wouldn't consider Oliver and Colbert to be liberal "intellectuals" in any capacity. But if someone accused them of being liberal trolls on the same degree as Milo then they'd just be wrong so it wouldn't be a very apt comparison.
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But there are also major embarrassing bloomers, like Shapiro promoting the false rumor that Chuck Hagel received a donation from a group called Friends of Hamas. A New York Daily News reporter had made up the groups name, as something so ludicrously over-the-top that nobody could possibly believe it, but Shapiro credulous enough to think the organization could exist, and published an article demanding answers. When it was pointed out that there was no such group, Shapiro did not retract the story. Instead, he doubled down, insisting that because he reported that sources said there was a Friends of Hamas, and the sources did say that, his reporting was sound. (Note: this is not how journalism works.)

To be honest this sounds like something Admiral would do.
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lilORANG posted...

I wouldn't consider Oliver and Colbert to be liberal "intellectuals" in any capacity. But if someone accused them of being liberal trolls on the same degree as Milo then they'd just be wrong so it wouldn't be a very apt comparison.

Milo gets under the skin of crazy SJWs. Colbert does the same to presidents of the most powerful nation in the world. Milo's still got a ways to go before he's on Colbert's level of trolling.
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TomNook20 posted...

Cherry picking individual statements

Demonstrate a single instance within that article in which more context alters the conclusions being drawn in the article.
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oliver and colbert are actually clever and funny

milo just screams transphobic and racist shit to get attention
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The Admiral posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

With a racist clown like Admiral, there is no debating. He deflects and deflects until he's put in a corner where he's forced to slither out of a topic, never to be seen again

In your 3+ years here, I've never once seen you come anywhere close to refuting an argument. If you were smart enough to do that, you would. Instead, your sole contributions to topics are always the inane garbage you posted here.

Why so triggered sis
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These poor libbys. My boy Admiral has destroyed their rectums
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man its almost like certain agendas and parties really wanted the jews to succeed

unlike other minorities

:thinking:
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The Admiral posted...

averagejoel posted...

"Trayvon Martin would have turned 21 today if he hadn't taken a man's head and beaten it on the pavement before being shot."
-Ben Shapiro, 5 February 2016

This is a 100% correct statement.

In a world where complete lies are true. Wait it's Trump's America so oh are right.
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glitteringfairy posted...

These poor libbys. My boy Admiral has destroyed their rectums

With lies and bullshit? Yes they are destroyed.
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admiral's viewpoints

jews: oh man, they worked hard to overcome ethnic cleansing with absolutely no help, it was all family structures and hard work they definitely weren't gifted someone else's land and given every opportunity to grow

black people: all they want to do is whine and not do anything about their situation. they're definitely given every opportunity to grow and have really been accepted by western society - i don't understand why they act like nobody wants them to actually succeed
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Even if the Treyvon tweet is factual correct, it's an objectively shit thing to do with no intention other than to incite a reaction out of people. You'd think a "true intellect" like Shapiro would be above such tactics.

Not to mention the initial tweet, which this topic should be about before it got derailed, is a fucking garbage statement to make and reveals a lot abut Shapiro. Fuck him.
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What a stupid, shitty, racist thing to say.
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This tweet from Shapiro is up there if not worse than anything ever said by Trump about Muslims, yet Shapiro has criticized Trump in the past for his anti-Muslim rhetoric. And this tweet is actually racist since "Arab" is not a religion.

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Even if the Treyvon tweet is factual correct, it's an objectively shit thing to do with no intention other than to incite a reaction out of people. You'd think a "true intellect" like Shapiro would be above such tactics.

Not to mention the initial tweet, which this topic should be about before it got derailed, is a fucking garbage statement to make and reveals a lot abut Shapiro. Fuck him.

yeah

the Current Affairs article posted by Antifar on this page (assuming 50 posts per page) and someone else on the last gives a very thorough dismantling of Shapiro. it's a good read
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averagejoel posted...

boxington posted...

chrono625 posted...

Literally a tweet from over 7 years ago.

hopefully he's not as racist anymore

"Trayvon Martin would have turned 21 today if he hadn't taken a man's head and beaten it on the pavement before being shot."
-Ben Shapiro, 5 February 2016

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/695622179874967552

I see nothing wrong with stating the laconic of what happened.
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averagejoel posted...

the Current Affairs article posted by Antifar on this page (assuming 50 posts per page) and someone else on the last gives a very thorough dismantling of Shapiro. it's a good read

Having surveyed Shapiros work, and pointed out the various ways in which he is not terribly logical, not terribly consistent, and not terribly well-informed (in addition to being not terribly humane), it is worth asking why so many people think of him as a principled and brilliant dismantler of arguments. The answer, it seems to me, is largely that Shapiro is a very confident person who speaks quickly. If he werent either of these things, he wouldnt seem nearly as intelligent.

Because he doesnt care about whether hes right, but about whether he destroys you, he uses a few effective lawyerly tricks: insist that theres no evidence whatsoever something is true, demand the other side produce such evidence, and when they stammer Buh-buh-buh for two seconds, quickly interrupt with See? What did I tell you? No evidence. Or, just pluck some random numbers from a study, even if theyre totally false or misleading, e.g. 40% of transgender people commit suicide and the risk doesnt go down if they are treated better, which was nonsense but sounded good. Cross-examine people with aggressive questions that confuse them: Are you a moose? I said: are you a moose? No? I didnt think so. I rest my case. Use shifting burdens of proof: demand a wealth of statistical evidence before you will admit that black people face any unique hardships, but respond to every criticism of the Israeli government by calling the speaker a proven and undeniable anti-Semite. Disregard all facts that contradict your case, but insist constantly that the other side despises facts and cant handle the truth. Call your opponents nasty, evil, brainless jackasses. All of these techniques work very well, and with them, you, too, can soon be Owning and Destroying your political opponents on camera. (I would probably lose a debate with Ben Shapiro quite badly, as my instinct in public conversations is to try to listen to people.)

This reads like every conservative troll on this board, and a handful of the liberal ones.
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Gotta love all the racist posters here defending Shapiro's tweet and acting like Jews are always innocent. Nah man, they are also in the wrong with the shit going on in the Middle East.
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That_Happened posted...

This reads like every conservative troll on this board, and a handful of the liberal ones.

the key is that the segment you're quoting is fairly late in the article, after the writer has handily demonstrated all these points
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averagejoel posted...

That_Happened posted...

This reads like every conservative troll on this board, and a handful of the liberal ones.

the key is that the segment you're quoting is fairly late in the article, after the writer has handily demonstrated all these points

Oh I'm not saying I disagree with it. I'm saying the way he sums up Shapiro's behavior is almost identical to the way people like Mal_Fet and Caution behave.
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Bok_Choi posted...

admiral's viewpoints

jews: oh man, they worked hard to overcome ethnic cleansing with absolutely no help, it was all family structures and hard work they definitely weren't gifted someone else's land and given every opportunity to grow

black people: all they want to do is whine and not do anything about their situation. they're definitely given every opportunity to grow and have really been accepted by western society - i don't understand why they act like nobody wants them to actually succeed

Yet he also parrots the "Cultural Marxism" meme which is inherently anti-Semitic
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That_Happened posted...

averagejoel posted...

That_Happened posted...

This reads like every conservative troll on this board, and a handful of the liberal ones.

the key is that the segment you're quoting is fairly late in the article, after the writer has handily demonstrated all these points

Oh I'm not saying I disagree with it. I'm saying the way he sums up Shapiro's behavior is almost identical to the way people like Mal_Fet and Caution behave.

ah, so you were saying that Ben Shapiro's behaviour, according to the writer, is very similar to those posters.

I generally interpret "reads like" as a comparison with a different type of writing
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