Current Events > Undocumented immigrant found not guilty of homicide in Kate Steinle case

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antfair
11/30/17 7:41:25 PM
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https://twitter.com/sanfranmag/status/936392431624273920

This is the San Francisco woman whose murder was latched onto by many right-wingers, including Donald Trump, as the poster-case for their arguments about border security and sanctuary cities.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/the-death-of-kate-steinle-and-the-rise-of-donald-trump.html
On July 1, 2015, Jose Ines Garcia Zarate shot 32-year-old Kathryn Michelle Steinle in the back as she walked with her father on San Franciscos Pier 14. Her dying words were Help me, dad.

Garcia Zarate, a Mexican national whod been deported from the U.S. five times and had seven felony convictions, including for heroin possession and manufacturing narcotics, quickly admitted to firing the gun. Within days, it also came out that the San Francisco Sheriffs Department had refused to tell federal immigration officials when Garcia Zaratewho would have been deported upon his return to federal custodywas scheduled to be released from jail, instead allowing him to go free a few months prior to Steinles killing.

For Trump, Steinles deathcoming as it did two weeks after his notorious Mexican rapists speechwas the most convenient of tragedies. On July 10, 2015, Trump was seventh in the Republican field, according to the RealClearPolitics polling average. Ten days later hed overtaken Jeb Bush for the No. 1 spot among GOP contenders. While Trumps rise to the top of the Republican primaries was probably inevitable, the timing of that rise was not. Something happened in July to send Trumps numbers soaring, noted David Frum in the Atlantic that month. That something may have been the murder of Kathryn Steinle.

Two days after Steinles killing, then-candidate Trump came out with a statement describing the young womans death as yet another example of why we must secure our border immediately. He added, This is an absolutely disgraceful situation and I am the only one that can fix it. Nobody else has the guts to even talk about it. That wont happen if I become president.

Whereas Trump had previously been buffeted with criticism for describing undocumented immigrants as violent criminals, Steinles death shifted the narrative of the primary in his favor. Within a week, he was telling an uncorroborated version of the story, one that vindicated his entire platform. This man, or this animal, that shot that wonderful, that beautiful woman in San Francisco, this guy was pushed back by Mexico, Trump told CNN on July 8. Mexico pushes back people across the border that are criminals, that are drug dealers.

Less than two weeks later, at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, Trump again told this distorted tale, this time bragging about the good it had done for his campaign:

I am so proud of the fact that I got dialogue started on illegal immigration. And people in the mediain all fairness, they were very rough on me that first week and then many of them have now apologized to me, and almost everybodys apologized, because it turned out I was right. Beautiful Kate in San Francisco was shot by an illegal, who was here five times and they couldnt do anything about it. And believe me, Mexico kept pushing him back because they didnt want him.


Garcia Zarate did not know Kate Steinle. He had no known motive to murder her on the pier that day. Most significantly, the shot that struck Steinle in the back hadnt been aimed at her or anyone else.

Both the prosecution and the defense acknowledge that the bullet that killed Steinle had first ricocheted off the pier. According to testimony from a preliminary hearing, that bullet appears to have hit the ground 12 to 15 feet in front of where Garcia Zarate was sitting, then bounced off the pavement and traveled an estimated 90 feet farther before killing Steinle.

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emblem boy
12/01/17 9:33:39 AM
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I just started seeing posts about this on Twitter.

Why are peoole acting like the jury outcome was politically motivated
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Bloodychess
12/01/17 9:34:18 AM
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emblem boy posted...
Why is one side acting like the jury outcome was politically motivated


Because that's how it works now. Everything in court is either politically or racially motivated

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Caution998
12/01/17 10:01:49 AM
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And no leftist on this board gives a damn. Cuckifornia can be a "sanctuary state" for illegals and they can come in, murder someone with a GUN(that you guys supposedly hate), and get off scott free.
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Lonestar2000
12/01/17 10:06:38 AM
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Imagine actually defending illegal immigrants.
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Antifar
12/01/17 10:14:42 AM
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Caution998 posted...
Cuckifornia can be a "sanctuary state" for illegals and they can come in, murder someone

There's no definition of murder broad enough to include what happened here
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FrisbeeDude
12/01/17 10:16:52 AM
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If you're mad this dude wasn't charged with murder but rode out with Zimmerman, cry more.
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Caution998
12/01/17 10:19:25 AM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
If you're mad this dude wasn't charged with murder but rode out with Zimmerman, cry more.


So, revenge case? Just like OJ huh?
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philsov
12/01/17 10:19:40 AM
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Undocumented immigrant performs accidental manslaughter


Still kinda justifies the narrative
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Metua
12/01/17 10:24:25 AM
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How was he not convicted of manslaughter?
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Antifar
12/01/17 10:25:55 AM
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Metua posted...
How was he not convicted of manslaughter?

Because the jury wasn't convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed it
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gatorsPENSbucs
12/01/17 10:31:03 AM
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Metua posted...
How was he not convicted of manslaughter?

Because then the jury and everyone else would be racist, and we cant have that.
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Questionmarktarius
12/01/17 10:31:41 AM
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Antifar posted...
Metua posted...
How was he not convicted of manslaughter?

Because the jury wasn't convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed it

And that's all anyone need to know.
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darkjedilink
12/01/17 10:33:39 AM
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Antifar posted...
Caution998 posted...
Cuckifornia can be a "sanctuary state" for illegals and they can come in, murder someone

There's no definition of murder broad enough to include what happened here

If Micheal Brown, Trayvon Martin, and Freddie Gray were 'murdered,' why not this woman?
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Caution998
12/01/17 10:36:01 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
Antifar posted...
Caution998 posted...
Cuckifornia can be a "sanctuary state" for illegals and they can come in, murder someone

There's no definition of murder broad enough to include what happened here

If Micheal Brown, Trayvon Martin, and Freddie Gray were 'murdered,' why not this woman?


Her skin color doesn't match theirs.
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darkjedilink
12/01/17 10:36:05 AM
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Antifar posted...
Metua posted...
How was he not convicted of manslaughter?

Because the jury wasn't convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed it

He admitted to doing it.

Unless you're arguing that 12 people legitimately believed his bullshit story of finding a t-shirt on the pier that just happened to have a loaded firearm with the safety off and it just 'went off,' your argument doesn't hold water.
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Antifar
12/01/17 10:42:59 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
Unless you're arguing that 12 people legitimately believed his bullshit story of finding a t-shirt on the pier that just happened to have a loaded firearm with the safety off and it just 'went off,' your argument doesn't hold water.

They don't have to believe his story, they just have to have reasonable doubt about the prosecution's story. Which, again, involved claiming he attempted a 100-foot bank shot

During preliminary hearings and in public statements about the case, prosecutor Diana Garcia has argued that Garcia Zarate did shoot Steinle intentionally. This was no accident, she told the court in September 2015. He had in his hands an instrument of death and he used it. She suggested that Garcia Zarate had executed a skip shot in which he was aiming the gun at the victim or the area of the victim, and the bullet skipped off the cement of the pier and hit the victim in the back. The prosecutor added that Steinle was his target, and that Garcia Zarate was playing his own version of Russian roulette. (The district attorneys office would not discuss the case with me on the record.)


Note also: the gun was stolen loaded and is noted for going off easily :

On June 27, 2015, two months after Garcia Zarate was released from custody, a .40-caliber SIG Sauer semi-automatic pistol was stolen from a car belonging to a Bureau of Land Management ranger. The gun was allegedly left loaded and unsecureda violation of agency policyin a backpack in the car, which was broken into in downtown San Francisco. Garcia Zarate says that on the day of the shooting he found the pistol wrapped in a T-shirt or rag, and that the trigger went off when he picked it up. He has not been charged with stealing that gun, and his lawyer says the prosecution hasnt presented any evidence that he did. Regardless, it is undeniable that Jose Ines Garcia Zarate picked up that pistol on July 1, 2015, and that a bullet fired from the gun struck and killed Kate Steinle.
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The SIG Sauer weapon that killed Steinle is a favorite of law enforcement on account of its quick-shooting capacity. If Mr. [Garcia Zarate] encountered this weapon when it was cocked and loaded [in whats known as single-action mode] its pretty easy for this thing to just go off, ballistics expert James Norris told me. In an op-ed for the San Francisco Examiner last month, Gonzalez listed dozens of cases in which law enforcement officers have accidentally discharged a SIG Sauer. In 2014, a federal air marshal in New Jersey accidentally shot himself. In 2015 in Pennsylvania, a state trooper and firearms instructor accidentally killed another trooper during safety training. This year in Michigan, a sheriffs deputy accidentally shot a schoolteacher in the neck.

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Kazi1212
12/01/17 10:46:30 AM
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Illegal immigrant gets of on legal technicality
and legal standard of evidence - ok

Cops get off for same reasons - outrage
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Knowledge_King
12/01/17 11:07:28 AM
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That's wrong. Should definitely be given involuntary manslaughter.
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gatorsPENSbucs
12/01/17 11:39:33 AM
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Kazi1212 posted...
Illegal immigrant gets of on legal technicality
and legal standard of evidence - ok

Cops get off for same reasons - outrage

Damn. Pretty crazy when you think about it like that.
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