Current Events > Should Halal meat be illegal? (meat prepared according to Islamic law)

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Axiom
11/09/17 11:45:15 PM
#52:


Dash_Harber posted...
Axiom posted...

Well yeah. I am a professional deer whisperer


You sound more like a professional guy-who-tries-to-sell-drugs-to-deer-in-some-ill-conceived-after-school-special.

Damn how'd you know. I tried that once but it didn't work out. They paid me in twigs and berries
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sondast
11/09/17 11:48:38 PM
#53:


The 10th anniversary edition of Earthlings is free to watch online. Go watch it to see how "humanely" all of our factory meat is treated and killed.
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Zembaphobia
11/09/17 11:48:57 PM
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creativerealms
11/09/17 11:50:40 PM
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No.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/09/17 11:57:50 PM
#56:


averagejoel posted...
But contrary to what many assume, most animals killed by halal methods are stunned before slaughter. FSA estimates suggest that 88% of animals in the UK killed by halal methods were stunned beforehand in a way that many Muslims find religiously acceptable.

That's surprising as fuck

I'm ok with that way of doing it

I don't get why we don't have a system that involves a big guillotine though, seems like that would avoid both the brain matter tainting the meat thing and the inhumaneness of the other 12%
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Garioshi
11/09/17 11:58:55 PM
#57:


I really don't see how this is any more immoral than factory farming.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/10/17 12:03:28 AM
#58:


Dash_Harber posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
What is the 'more humane' way?

Inert gas asphyxiation, probably.

Yes, slowly choking to death is so much faster than having your jugular cut and dying ten seconds later. >_>

Dude there's a thing called "exit bags" and people kill themselves with them precisely because it's painless. You literally just pass out.
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CiIantro
11/10/17 12:10:43 AM
#59:


Cleo_II posted...
CiIantro posted...
@Cleo_II posted...
Halal meat at least tastes delicious.

I am gonna call BS on this. The method of slaughter doesn't affect the taste. Any difference you perceive is a placebo.

Have you ever actually had halal meat before? Theres a difference. Halal meat is more tender and higher quality.

Literally impossible. Method of slaughter doesnt affect that. It is in your head.
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Cleo_II
11/10/17 12:14:34 AM
#60:


CiIantro posted...
Cleo_II posted...
CiIantro posted...
@Cleo_II posted...
Halal meat at least tastes delicious.

I am gonna call BS on this. The method of slaughter doesn't affect the taste. Any difference you perceive is a placebo.

Have you ever actually had halal meat before? Theres a difference. Halal meat is more tender and higher quality.

Literally impossible. Method of slaughter doesnt affect that. It is in your head.

Lol ok. I guess Kobe beef is a lie too.

Whatever dude, keep pretending like you know what youre talking about. Im going to keep eating delicious halal meat.
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LordRazziel
11/10/17 12:14:47 AM
#61:


CiIantro posted...
Cleo_II posted...
CiIantro posted...
@Cleo_II posted...
Halal meat at least tastes delicious.

I am gonna call BS on this. The method of slaughter doesn't affect the taste. Any difference you perceive is a placebo.

Have you ever actually had halal meat before? Theres a difference. Halal meat is more tender and higher quality.

Literally impossible. Method of slaughter doesnt affect that. It is in your head.

Not impossible.
Different hormones may effect the taste of meat.
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CiIantro
11/10/17 12:14:58 AM
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@Dash_Harber posted...
@Questionmarktarius posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
What is the 'more humane' way?

Inert gas asphyxiation, probably.

Yes, slowly choking to death is so much faster than having your jugular cut and dying ten seconds later. >_>

Inert gas asphyxiation is actually one of the most painless suicide methods. The gasses mimic oxygen, and you brain doesnt trigger a need-to-breathe response. It basically feels totally normal, then you get lightheaded and faint.
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CiIantro
11/10/17 12:17:46 AM
#63:


@Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
averagejoel posted...
But contrary to what many assume, most animals killed by halal methods are stunned before slaughter. FSA estimates suggest that 88% of animals in the UK killed by halal methods were stunned beforehand in a way that many Muslims find religiously acceptable.

That's surprising as fuck

I'm ok with that way of doing it

I don't get why we don't have a system that involves a big guillotine though, seems like that would avoid both the brain matter tainting the meat thing and the inhumaneness of the other 12%

Studies have shown that you are still conscious for a bit after being guillotined. Sometimes the heads can blink for a few seconds afterwards.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
11/10/17 12:19:01 AM
#64:


CiIantro posted...
@awesome999 posted...
Yes. That is just torturous

Why doesn't PETA fight against things like this?

https://www.peta.org/blog/cruelty-behind-muslim-ritual-slaughter/

They do.


If Peta is against it I'm in support. Fuck those pieces of shit.
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CiIantro
11/10/17 12:19:08 AM
#65:


@Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
What is the 'more humane' way?

Inert gas asphyxiation, probably.

Yes, slowly choking to death is so much faster than having your jugular cut and dying ten seconds later. >_>

Dude there's a thing called "exit bags" and people kill themselves with them precisely because it's painless. You literally just pass out.

This. Ingesting Nembutol is the only method of suicide that is more peaceful.
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Ricemills
11/10/17 12:20:18 AM
#66:


CiIantro posted...
Cleo_II posted...
CiIantro posted...
@Cleo_II posted...
Halal meat at least tastes delicious.

I am gonna call BS on this. The method of slaughter doesn't affect the taste. Any difference you perceive is a placebo.

Have you ever actually had halal meat before? Theres a difference. Halal meat is more tender and higher quality.

Literally impossible. Method of slaughter doesnt affect that. It is in your head.


from what i see, halal slaughter drained all the blood out. it gotta affect the meat somehow.
but shouldnt it be tastes more bland tho? not an expert on meats here.
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CiIantro
11/10/17 12:20:22 AM
#67:


Cleo_II posted...
CiIantro posted...
Cleo_II posted...
CiIantro posted...
@Cleo_II posted...
Halal meat at least tastes delicious.

I am gonna call BS on this. The method of slaughter doesn't affect the taste. Any difference you perceive is a placebo.

Have you ever actually had halal meat before? Theres a difference. Halal meat is more tender and higher quality.

Literally impossible. Method of slaughter doesnt affect that. It is in your head.

Lol ok. I guess Kobe beef is a lie too.

Whatever dude, keep pretending like you know what youre talking about. Im going to keep eating delicious halal meat.

LOL kobe beef has visible fat marbling caused from the unique diet, not because of a magical blessing. Sorry to break it to you, but Allah isnt serving you magic meat.
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booboy
11/10/17 12:21:29 AM
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Everything involved pre and post slaughter I think would have more of an impact on quality than actual method of slaughter.
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CiIantro
11/10/17 12:22:04 AM
#69:


Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
CiIantro posted...
@awesome999 posted...
Yes. That is just torturous

Why doesn't PETA fight against things like this?

https://www.peta.org/blog/cruelty-behind-muslim-ritual-slaughter/

They do.


If Peta is against it I'm in support. Fuck those pieces of shit.

Nice groupthink.
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Ricemills
11/10/17 12:22:32 AM
#70:


CiIantro posted...
Sorry to break it to you, but Allah isnt serving you magic meat.


glad to see you finally show us that you brought up this topic not because of animal cruelty, but because of the skerry mooslems.
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CiIantro
11/10/17 12:24:10 AM
#71:


@Ricemills posted...
CiIantro posted...
Sorry to break it to you, but Allah isnt serving you magic meat.


glad to see you finally show us that you brought up this topic not because of animal cruelty, but because of the skerry mooslems.

Bro, I am like the most liberal, PC person on this board. This dude is attempting to claim that supernatural factors impact the taste of meat. That is bunk.
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Gamer99z
11/10/17 12:26:43 AM
#72:


Ricemills posted...
CiIantro posted...
Sorry to break it to you, but Allah isnt serving you magic meat.


glad to see you finally show us that you brought up this topic not because of animal cruelty, but because of the skerry mooslems.

Whoosh.
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UT1999
11/10/17 12:28:28 AM
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he didn't whoosh him, you don't know what you're talking about
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
11/10/17 12:31:28 AM
#74:


CiIantro posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
CiIantro posted...
@awesome999 posted...
Yes. That is just torturous

Why doesn't PETA fight against things like this?

https://www.peta.org/blog/cruelty-behind-muslim-ritual-slaughter/

They do.


If Peta is against it I'm in support. Fuck those pieces of shit.

Nice groupthink.


They're bad people and almost jumped me after harassing children.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/10/17 12:32:15 AM
#75:


Ricemills posted...
CiIantro posted...
Sorry to break it to you, but Allah isnt serving you magic meat.


glad to see you finally show us that you brought up this topic not because of animal cruelty, but because of the skerry mooslems.

Isn't he sillyknees? You must be new if you think he's an islamophobe
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Gamer99z
11/10/17 12:33:00 AM
#76:


UT1999 posted...
he didn't whoosh him, you don't know what you're talking about

Either he didn't get his point or he was intentionally trying to troll and turn it into something else.
All the dude is saying is that the process that makes meat habal doesn't have any bearing on it's taste and that giving a prayer first isn't making it any better.
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FightingGames
11/10/17 12:33:17 AM
#77:


wtf. a muslim told me that Halal was actually a humane process of preparing meat
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Ricemills
11/10/17 12:34:42 AM
#78:


CiIantro posted...
@Ricemills posted...
CiIantro posted...
Sorry to break it to you, but Allah isnt serving you magic meat.


glad to see you finally show us that you brought up this topic not because of animal cruelty, but because of the skerry mooslems.

Bro, I am like the most liberal, PC person on this board. This dude is attempting to claim that supernatural factors impact the taste of meat. That is bunk.


which exact post said that? the supernatural factor part.
he only said the meat result of halal slaughter tasted better for him.
and just like what i said in the other post:

Ricemills posted...
from what i see, halal slaughter drained all the blood out. it gotta affect the meat somehow.
but shouldnt it be tastes more bland tho? not an expert on meats here.

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Gamer99z
11/10/17 12:37:43 AM
#79:


Ricemills posted...
CiIantro posted...
@Ricemills posted...
CiIantro posted...
Sorry to break it to you, but Allah isnt serving you magic meat.


glad to see you finally show us that you brought up this topic not because of animal cruelty, but because of the skerry mooslems.

Bro, I am like the most liberal, PC person on this board. This dude is attempting to claim that supernatural factors impact the taste of meat. That is bunk.


which exact post said that? the supernatural factor part.
he only said the meat result of halal slaughter tasted better for him.

The process is pray -> slit throat -> hang.
Nothing about that has an bearing on the taste of the cooked meat over what just a regular general butcher would do for example.

He was half joking, half just pointing out how dumb it is to act like the meat comes out any different. It's entirely psychological.
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averagejoel
11/10/17 12:38:57 AM
#80:


FightingGames posted...
wtf. a muslim told me that Halal was actually a humane process of preparing meat

it's certainly no worse than any more common way of killing the animal
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Ricemills
11/10/17 12:39:59 AM
#81:


Gamer99z posted...
Ricemills posted...
CiIantro posted...
@Ricemills posted...
CiIantro posted...
Sorry to break it to you, but Allah isnt serving you magic meat.


glad to see you finally show us that you brought up this topic not because of animal cruelty, but because of the skerry mooslems.

Bro, I am like the most liberal, PC person on this board. This dude is attempting to claim that supernatural factors impact the taste of meat. That is bunk.


which exact post said that? the supernatural factor part.
he only said the meat result of halal slaughter tasted better for him.

The process is pray -> slit throat -> hang.
Nothing about that has an bearing on the taste of the cooked meat over what just a regular general butcher would do for example.

He was half joking, half just pointing out how dumb it is to act like the meat comes out any different. It's entirely psychological.


*edit* : thought you;re TC.
why it's impossible to have a different meat result from different method of slaughter?

Ricemills posted...
from what i see, halal slaughter drained all the blood out. it gotta affect the meat somehow.
but shouldnt it be tastes more bland tho? not an expert on meats here.

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Gamer99z
11/10/17 12:41:01 AM
#82:


Ricemills posted...
do you even remember why you created this topic?

Are you okay bro?
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Solid Snake07
11/10/17 12:41:40 AM
#83:


good god, people have been killing and eating livestock for thousands of years. Anyone who has a problem with this needs to grow a god damn sack.
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Ricemills
11/10/17 12:42:46 AM
#84:


Gamer99z posted...
Ricemills posted...
do you even remember why you created this topic?

Are you okay bro?


i already edited the post before you replied. thought it was TC i reply to.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/10/17 12:45:26 AM
#85:


Solid Snake07 posted...
good god, people have been killing and eating livestock for thousands of years. Anyone who has a problem with this needs to grow a god damn sack.

We've also been enslaving each other and making 10 year old girls marry grown men for thousands of years

Appeal to tradition is weak sauce my dude
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UT1999
11/10/17 12:47:05 AM
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is this really how halal and kosher meat is prepared? I really didn't know the specifics of it. It does seem more barbaric than the standard way.
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ChromaticAngel
11/10/17 12:49:35 AM
#87:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Kosher slaughter is all but identical.

IIRC the only difference between halal and kosher slaughtering is halal is more restrictive on when / what you're allowed to slaughter.
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Prestoff
11/10/17 12:58:57 AM
#88:


Villain posted...
Typical Farm factories aren't any better iirc


This, but I was told by my Muslim friend that the animals are hit by a bolt gun or something so they're not really conscious? I'm not an expert when it comes to slaughter houses so I don't know.
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Dark_Spiret
11/10/17 1:03:53 AM
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just a put a bullet in their heads and be done with it. no reason to let the animal suffer.
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kingdrake2
11/10/17 1:29:12 AM
#90:


lilORANG posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
it's literally the same way that any other factory farm (or farm, for that matter) would do it.

I mean I'm not a fan of the living conditions in factory farms but they at least kill the thing immediately with a bolt gun, not let it bleed out slowly. So yes, that's more humane.


i can stand behind that, less misery to the animal is better if slaughtering animal for food.
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Cleo_II
11/10/17 1:39:20 AM
#91:


CiIantro posted...
Sorry to break it to you, but Allah isnt serving you magic meat.

Im not even Muslim, dork.

Sorry to break to you, but Ive had both regular and halal meat and there is a difference. Halal meat is much more tender.

This thread makes me want to go buy some, thanks
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Dash_Harber
11/10/17 2:29:27 AM
#92:


CiIantro posted...
Cleo_II posted...
CiIantro posted...
@Cleo_II posted...
Halal meat at least tastes delicious.

I am gonna call BS on this. The method of slaughter doesn't affect the taste. Any difference you perceive is a placebo.

Have you ever actually had halal meat before? Theres a difference. Halal meat is more tender and higher quality.

Literally impossible. Method of slaughter doesnt affect that. It is in your head.

So you are just ignoring the fact that the restrictions on pork actually makes it guaranteed that pork or beef are not mixed in.
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dodgefan91
11/10/17 2:54:57 AM
#93:


Dark_Spiret posted...
just a put a bullet in their heads and be done with it. no reason to let the animal suffer.

Cows have very small brains and it's actually surprisingly difficult to kill one with a bullet to the head. I've seen a cow take multiple shots from a .223 between the eyes and it was still standing. That's why a lot of places prefer to use a method that crushes the entire front portion of the skull.

Also, the method in which the animal is executed definetly affects the way the meat tastes. If they're stressed out and in pain/fear, they're body floods the meat with hormones. A few years ago I got a free cow that got tangled up in a wire fence and ended up breaking a leg. We killed it that day but the fact that it was stressed and injured for a few hours was noticeable. It tasted like shit. I mean not rancid or anything, but distinctly worse than any other cow I've had.
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dr_zomberg
11/10/17 2:59:25 AM
#94:


SlashmanSG posted...
Returning_CEmen posted...
Sounds like every other meat business in the world

...no.
it doesnt.

when i was in culinary school, we went to a slaughterhouse. cows died instantly, then flayed.
the akward thing was that muscles still move despite the cow was already beheaded, split in half and had its skin removed. one of the guys barfed after touching one and it moved
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awesome999
11/10/17 3:06:33 AM
#95:


I've seen some slaughters and I can say for a fact that being killed by halal would be far more painful than having your head chopped off in one clean stroke

As for the taste, it has to do more with freshness than the method itself
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Questionmarktarius
11/10/17 9:48:42 AM
#96:


CiIantro posted...
LOL kobe beef has visible fat marbling caused from the unique diet, not because of a magical blessing. Sorry to break it to you, but Allah isnt serving you magic meat.

An animal that's stressed before death will tense up, screwing up the meat.

If I had enough investment capital, I'd look into the viability of getting a cow drunk, then killing it with 80/20 nitrogen/argon.
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CiIantro
11/10/17 12:07:24 PM
#97:


Questionmarktarius posted...
CiIantro posted...
LOL kobe beef has visible fat marbling caused from the unique diet, not because of a magical blessing. Sorry to break it to you, but Allah isnt serving you magic meat.

An animal that's stressed before death will tense up, screwing up the meat.

If I had enough investment capital, I'd look into the viability of getting a cow drunk, then killing it with 80/20 nitrogen/argon.

Alcohol would probably be unnecessary and would taint the meat.
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Questionmarktarius
11/10/17 12:10:24 PM
#98:


CiIantro posted...
Alcohol would probably be unnecessary and would taint the meat.

The idea is get the cow relaxed as fuck right before getting dead.
Maybe xenon asphyxiation is the better idea: it accomplishes both at once. Seems expensive, though.
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darkjedilink
11/10/17 12:17:31 PM
#99:


Apparently, very few CEmen have had to field-dress an animal.

Or dressed an animal on a farm.

Or had rabbit.

No problem with halal meat.

And to anyone crying for PETA, check out petakillsanimals.com.
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Letron_James
11/10/17 12:19:11 PM
#100:


if you think halal meat should be banned because of the "barbaric" nature of it than you should go ahead and ban every meat.
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thelovefist
11/10/17 12:19:53 PM
#101:


SamuelHayden posted...
CiIantro posted...
Halal is meat considered "clean" to eat according to traditional Islamic law. The meat is prepared using the following steps:

1. A prayer is offered to Allah.
2. The animal's throat is slit, severing the jugular vein. Animal must be conscious.
3. The animal is hung upside down to allow the blood to drain out (animal is still alive at this point).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJL_TjHH31M


that's fucking brutal? Is that real?!?!?!

Why isn't PETA all over this? They lose their shit over mario bros 3 having a raccoon suit!

Did you forget what your current gimmick was again ROD? Your current gimmick is to be pro this stuff. Your past gimmick was ranting against the 'cuck-brigade' and SJW. Seems you forgot again what your gimmick is.
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