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CiIantro
10/10/17 8:58:12 PM
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Should religions be tax exempt?


Interested to hear your thoughts.
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lilORANG
10/10/17 8:58:58 PM
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yes, unless you want to repeal the first amendment.
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CADE FOSTER
10/10/17 8:59:38 PM
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every body should pay then we could afford free health care and walls,infrastructure
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DarkChozoGhost
10/10/17 8:59:45 PM
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lilORANG posted...
yes, unless you want to repeal the first amendment.

The first amendment doesn't grant them tax exempt status
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lilORANG
10/10/17 9:00:30 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
lilORANG posted...
yes, unless you want to repeal the first amendment.

The first amendment doesn't grant them tax exempt status

that's literally why they are tax exempt so yes.
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CADE FOSTER
10/10/17 9:01:55 PM
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seeing as they want to be able to get into politics and back people no they can pay like everyone else
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_Near_
10/10/17 9:04:00 PM
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I'm fine with them being tax exempt, but if they want to keep that status, they need to stop being political.
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Prestoff
10/10/17 9:05:42 PM
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Isn't the reason churches are tax exempt because they fall under the "non-profit" organization category?
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CADE FOSTER
10/10/17 9:06:44 PM
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yeah these mega churches are non profit meanwhile they own huge houses and private jets
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Prestoff
10/10/17 9:08:17 PM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
yeah these mega churches are non profit meanwhile they own huge houses and private jets


Yeah honestly, fuck those people that preach that "prosperity gospel" crap.
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CiIantro
10/10/17 9:13:02 PM
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TBH, they should be taxed and you shouldnt be getting a charitable donation deduction for giving them money. Only a fraction of religious donations actually go to charitable causes.
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Blue_Dream87
10/10/17 9:15:45 PM
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CanuckCowboy
10/10/17 9:19:01 PM
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_Near_ posted...
I'm fine with them being tax exempt, but if they want to keep that status, they need to stop being political.


This. And they need to stop taking people's money. If you're getting handed cash from your followers on the reg then fuck you. Taxing that (already once taxed) cash is stupid but so is demanding money from your fellowship.
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Fossil
10/10/17 9:19:55 PM
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CiIantro posted...
TBH, they should be taxed and you shouldnt be getting a charitable donation deduction for giving them money. Only a fraction of religious donations actually go to charitable causes.

Feel free to back your claims up.
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Dathrowed1
10/10/17 9:24:16 PM
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I say yeah, but I am partial to mine which is apolitical and receives their funds through charitable donations
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Unsugarized_Foo
10/10/17 9:26:59 PM
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Its fine as long as they dont cost the government any money
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thrashmetal14
10/10/17 9:38:57 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Isn't the reason churches are tax exempt because they fall under the "non-profit" organization category?


This. My local church that I grew up going to was funded by the donations of the community. Why would you tax a religious institution that is funded solely on the donations of its members, who already pay taxes? You dont have freedom of religion if you have to pay the government to open a church.

I understand that mega churches are an issue. Its disgusting that they can profit off of religion, and I would get behind something to audit churches like that. However those are a small percentage of churches. All the local small town churches across the country would close down if they had to pay taxes, it simply isnt sustainable for them. Theres no reason whatsoever to tax religion, and most reasonable people would agree.
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Gheb
10/10/17 9:48:20 PM
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Churches aren't taxable as they are considered non-profit organizations. And in the vast majority of cases they are. Blanket taxing churches could close many of them as they would suddenly have a greatly diminished cash flow. I do think there needs to be more scrutiny over mega churches and especially prosperity doctrine churches.
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CiIantro
10/10/17 10:54:28 PM
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Fossil posted...
CiIantro posted...
TBH, they should be taxed and you shouldnt be getting a charitable donation deduction for giving them money. Only a fraction of religious donations actually go to charitable causes.

Feel free to back your claims up.


I would, but the vast majority of religions dont open their books for external audit. Pretty messed up that organizations funded by donations refuse to be held accountable and disclose where it all goes.
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Zeus
10/11/17 4:01:30 AM
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Yes, because they're non-profits. However, there should be some form of taxation for evangelicals who basically use their church's funds as a piggybank for extravagant expenses like mansions, etc.

CiIantro posted...
TBH, they should be taxed and you shouldnt be getting a charitable donation deduction for giving them money. Only a fraction of religious donations actually go to charitable causes.


...the church is itself a charitable cause and organization. They're a non-profit which ministers to the spiritual needs of the community, provides counseling, education, etc.
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Zeus
10/11/17 4:05:19 AM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
seeing as they want to be able to get into politics and back people no they can pay like everyone else


...and yet other non-profits frequently involve themselves in politics yet pay no taxes. The SPLC and ACLU are both heavily involved in politics despite paying zero in taxes. Why should the SPLC -- which is fucking loaded and heavily influences policy -- not tax pays yet have a massive amount of say in government while you're pushing to restrict the local church which is barely making ends meet?
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CiIantro
10/11/17 8:54:27 PM
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Zeus posted...
Yes, because they're non-profits. However, there should be some form of taxation for evangelicals who basically use their church's funds as a piggybank for extravagant expenses like mansions, etc.

CiIantro posted...
TBH, they should be taxed and you shouldnt be getting a charitable donation deduction for giving them money. Only a fraction of religious donations actually go to charitable causes.


...the church is itself a charitable cause and organization. They're a non-profit which ministers to the spiritual needs of the community, provides counseling, education, etc.


Scientology is a charitable organization?
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ehhwhatever
10/11/17 8:59:34 PM
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They mix scripture with family, tax them. What is this a playroom?
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ehhwhatever
10/11/17 9:00:47 PM
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CiIantro posted...
Zeus posted...
Yes, because they're non-profits. However, there should be some form of taxation for evangelicals who basically use their church's funds as a piggybank for extravagant expenses like mansions, etc.

CiIantro posted...
TBH, they should be taxed and you shouldnt be getting a charitable donation deduction for giving them money. Only a fraction of religious donations actually go to charitable causes.


...the church is itself a charitable cause and organization. They're a non-profit which ministers to the spiritual needs of the community, provides counseling, education, etc.


Scientology is a charitable organization?

They sell books for sure, I have bought a couple.
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Zeus
10/11/17 9:44:47 PM
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CiIantro posted...
Zeus posted...
Yes, because they're non-profits. However, there should be some form of taxation for evangelicals who basically use their church's funds as a piggybank for extravagant expenses like mansions, etc.

CiIantro posted...
TBH, they should be taxed and you shouldnt be getting a charitable donation deduction for giving them money. Only a fraction of religious donations actually go to charitable causes.


...the church is itself a charitable cause and organization. They're a non-profit which ministers to the spiritual needs of the community, provides counseling, education, etc.


Scientology is a charitable organization?


They have more right to be considered a charitable organization than the SPLC, which is basically a political attack machine. They take in obscene amounts of money and use it to do things like labeling Ben Carson a terror risk.
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Darklit_Minuet
10/11/17 9:50:18 PM
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thrashmetal14 posted...
You dont have freedom of religion if you have to pay the government to open a church

By that logic, you don't have freedom of speech if the printing press has to pay taxes, or if you have to pay taxes on paper and pens, or if you have to pay taxes for internet access. And the second amendment no longer exists, you don't have the right to bear arms if you have to pay taxes on guns.

How about the church is taxed just like everything else is. If their earnings really do go to charity, they can apply as a charity rather than being immediately exempt due to belief
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CiIantro
10/11/17 10:57:54 PM
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Zeus posted...
CiIantro posted...
Zeus posted...
Yes, because they're non-profits. However, there should be some form of taxation for evangelicals who basically use their church's funds as a piggybank for extravagant expenses like mansions, etc.

CiIantro posted...
TBH, they should be taxed and you shouldnt be getting a charitable donation deduction for giving them money. Only a fraction of religious donations actually go to charitable causes.


...the church is itself a charitable cause and organization. They're a non-profit which ministers to the spiritual needs of the community, provides counseling, education, etc.


Scientology is a charitable organization?


They have more right to be considered a charitable organization than the SPLC, which is basically a political attack machine. They take in obscene amounts of money and use it to do things like labeling Ben Carson a terror risk.


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Zeus
10/13/17 3:41:16 PM
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CiIantro posted...
Zeus posted...
CiIantro posted...
Zeus posted...
Yes, because they're non-profits. However, there should be some form of taxation for evangelicals who basically use their church's funds as a piggybank for extravagant expenses like mansions, etc.

CiIantro posted...
TBH, they should be taxed and you shouldnt be getting a charitable donation deduction for giving them money. Only a fraction of religious donations actually go to charitable causes.


...the church is itself a charitable cause and organization. They're a non-profit which ministers to the spiritual needs of the community, provides counseling, education, etc.


Scientology is a charitable organization?


They have more right to be considered a charitable organization than the SPLC, which is basically a political attack machine. They take in obscene amounts of money and use it to do things like labeling Ben Carson a terror risk.


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You mean you don't know if they seriously labeled Ben Carson a terror risk? Because they did. Also keep in mind he was a presumptive presidential candidate at the time, so there was a definite political motive behind the labeling.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/13/17 4:00:53 PM
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No, religions should not be tax exempt and I would like to see them abolished.
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Zeus
10/14/17 5:30:28 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
No, religions should not be tax exempt and I would like to see them abolished.


"Hi, my name is Machete and I'd like to abolish the First Amendment, get rid of religion, and turn the state into an absolute, undisputed totalitarian power."
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LethalAffinity
10/14/17 5:31:24 PM
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unpleasant_milk
10/14/17 5:32:02 PM
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They certainly shouldn't be exempt from criticism and/or ridicule
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Zeus
10/14/17 5:34:06 PM
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LethalAffinity posted...
It blows my mind that Scientology is tax exempt.


Yeah, but that one was borderline extortion.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/14/17 6:44:46 PM
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Zeus posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
No, religions should not be tax exempt and I would like to see them abolished.


"Hi, my name is Machete and I'd like to get rid of religion."


The rest is utter garbage and I'd toss you into a dumpster for suggesting it if I had the opportunity.
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Zeus
10/14/17 7:36:44 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Zeus posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
No, religions should not be tax exempt and I would like to see them abolished.


"Hi, my name is Machete and I'd like to get rid of religion."


The rest is utter garbage and I'd toss you into a dumpster for suggesting it if I had the opportunity.


Except for the fact that abolishing religion requires getting rid of the First Amendment and engaging in totalitarian behavior. More importantly, most totalitarian states have very specifically tried to do away with religion. When you're trying to centralize power and force people to only be loyal to the state, things like religion tend to get in the way.
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ArtVandelay
10/14/17 7:41:02 PM
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yes but NOT scientology
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CiIantro
10/14/17 7:44:13 PM
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ArtVandelay posted...
yes but NOT scientology


Dont argue with him. He is a known troll/joke account from PotD.
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ArtVandelay
10/14/17 7:44:52 PM
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CiIantro posted...
ArtVandelay posted...
yes but NOT scientology


Dont argue with him. He is a known troll/joke account from PotD.

me?! lmao
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CiIantro
10/14/17 7:45:05 PM
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ArtVandelay posted...
CiIantro posted...
ArtVandelay posted...
yes but NOT scientology


Dont argue with him. He is a known troll/joke account from PotD.

me?! lmao


No, Zeus.
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ArtVandelay
10/14/17 7:45:49 PM
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CiIantro posted...
ArtVandelay posted...
CiIantro posted...
ArtVandelay posted...
yes but NOT scientology


Dont argue with him. He is a known troll/joke account from PotD.

me?! lmao


No, Zeus.

oh, okay. I wasn't arguing, I just came in and posted that without reading the topic.
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CiIantro
10/14/17 7:46:56 PM
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ArtVandelay posted...
CiIantro posted...
ArtVandelay posted...
CiIantro posted...
ArtVandelay posted...
yes but NOT scientology


Dont argue with him. He is a known troll/joke account from PotD.

me?! lmao


No, Zeus.

oh, okay. I wasn't arguing, I just came in and posted that without reading the topic.


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pls
10/14/17 7:50:42 PM
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they're non profit organizations that give back to their communities

so yes they should be
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Villain
10/14/17 7:53:29 PM
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pls posted...
they're non profit organizations that give back to their communities

so yes they should be


This, although mega churches like Joel Osteen's shouldn't be tax exempt imo
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Darklit_Minuet
10/14/17 7:55:36 PM
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Zeus posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Zeus posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
No, religions should not be tax exempt and I would like to see them abolished.


"Hi, my name is Machete and I'd like to get rid of religion."


The rest is utter garbage and I'd toss you into a dumpster for suggesting it if I had the opportunity.


Except for the fact that abolishing religion requires getting rid of the First Amendment and engaging in totalitarian behavior. More importantly, most totalitarian states have very specifically tried to do away with religion. When you're trying to centralize power and force people to only be loyal to the state, things like religion tend to get in the way.

Except he never said any of that.

Religion is stupid and should be gotten rid of, but the only way for it to happen is for people to wake up and stop being stupid
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/14/17 10:02:54 PM
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Zeus posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Zeus posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
No, religions should not be tax exempt and I would like to see them abolished.


"Hi, my name is Machete and I'd like to get rid of religion."


The rest is utter garbage and I'd toss you into a dumpster for suggesting it if I had the opportunity.


Except for the fact that abolishing religion requires getting rid of the First Amendment and engaging in totalitarian behavior. More importantly, most totalitarian states have very specifically tried to do away with religion. When you're trying to centralize power and force people to only be loyal to the state, things like religion tend to get in the way.


Stay in your box, shit-thinker
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SageHarpuia
10/14/17 10:07:37 PM
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Regular churches should be, but they can tax mega-churches to death for all I care.
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masticatingman
10/14/17 10:08:16 PM
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No.

Because Scientology.
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CiIantro
10/14/17 10:30:42 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Zeus posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Zeus posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
No, religions should not be tax exempt and I would like to see them abolished.


"Hi, my name is Machete and I'd like to get rid of religion."


The rest is utter garbage and I'd toss you into a dumpster for suggesting it if I had the opportunity.


Except for the fact that abolishing religion requires getting rid of the First Amendment and engaging in totalitarian behavior. More importantly, most totalitarian states have very specifically tried to do away with religion. When you're trying to centralize power and force people to only be loyal to the state, things like religion tend to get in the way.


Stay in your box, shit-thinker


Zeus is a low-tier troll from PotD. His tinfoil hat is on too tight.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/14/17 11:38:49 PM
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CiIantro posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Zeus posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Zeus posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
No, religions should not be tax exempt and I would like to see them abolished.


"Hi, my name is Machete and I'd like to get rid of religion."


The rest is utter garbage and I'd toss you into a dumpster for suggesting it if I had the opportunity.


Except for the fact that abolishing religion requires getting rid of the First Amendment and engaging in totalitarian behavior. More importantly, most totalitarian states have very specifically tried to do away with religion. When you're trying to centralize power and force people to only be loyal to the state, things like religion tend to get in the way.


Stay in your box, shit-thinker


Zeus is a low-tier troll from PotD. His tinfoil hat is on too tight.


I was actually intending to criticize you before reading your post based on your username (I have the gene(s) that makes cilantro taste like embalming fluid because of aldehyde chemical sensitivity), but in a crazy twist, you are on my side o_O. Thanks for that. I almost stupidly judged a book by its cover, but CE is CE so this is more a CE noob learning a lesson than anything else XP.
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