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myzz7
09/13/17 4:53:08 PM
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like how we can treat Genghis khan and Attila the hun and various viking leaders as mixed bag and recognize some of the positive effects that came because of them.

for hitler for instance:
afterward came the the UN which did ensure no hot wars between the world's superpowers for quite some time
formation of Israel
new governments of japan and germany which lead them to become leading world nations in economy
nazi scientists and doctors made unethical yet undeniable advancements - they went on to innovate new technologies for the US and other european nations
and whatever else can be stated as some advancement during and after hitler

historians do this all the time for other long ago historical figures that had an immense death toll credited to them - even more so than hitler.
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K181
09/13/17 4:55:50 PM
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Genghis Khan, Attila, and the Vikings had the good fortune to do their atrocities during a time period without photographs and video and mass media. So.... I'm guessing that no, Hitler won't get the neutral treatment.
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averagejoel
09/13/17 4:56:23 PM
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the only actual positive thing that you listed is scientific advancement

formation of Israel was bad
the others are arguable
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Zodd3224
09/13/17 4:56:56 PM
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Well I mean, Im sure there were good people... on many sides.
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The Admiral
09/13/17 4:58:08 PM
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Mao Zedong already gets neutral treatment for some reason. If he can get it, there's a chance for anyone.
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The Admiral
09/13/17 4:59:41 PM
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averagejoel posted...
formation of Israel was bad


Wow. Must be the soft bigotry of low expectations that keeps stupidity like this from resulting in warnings.
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Zikten
09/13/17 5:00:22 PM
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Zodd3224 posted...
Well I mean, Im sure there were good people... on many sides.

there were actually. only a fool thinks all germans were evil. in jr high we watched a movie about a young german who gets drafted and fights in the war thinking it's just about defending his homeland. he's portrayed as a naive and innocent guy who doesn't know about the holocaust. At the end of the movie, he's just hanging out at a base and an Allied soldier snipes him
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Zodd3224
09/13/17 5:02:47 PM
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Zikten posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Well I mean, Im sure there were good people... on many sides.

there were actually. only a fool thinks all germans were evil. in jr high we watched a movie about a young german who gets drafted and fights in the war thinking it's just about defending his homeland. he's portrayed as a naive and innocent guy who doesn't know about the holocaust. At the end of the movie, he's just hanging out at a base and an Allied soldier snipes him


Im sure there are some members of Isis that are good people as well.
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Zikten
09/13/17 5:04:01 PM
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Zodd3224 posted...
Im sure there are some members of Isis that are good people as well.

not sure. many of them are young guys who don't even care about the ideology and signed up with ISIS because they were promised to enact their murder and rape fantasies. they are even worse than the leaders who actually believe in the propaganda
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Jerry_Hellyeah
09/13/17 5:04:22 PM
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The Admiral posted...
averagejoel posted...
formation of Israel was bad


Wow. Must be the soft bigotry of low expectations that keeps stupidity like this from resulting in warnings.


Cry more dude. If youve got an argument, make it, dont just bawl over someones opinion. Im Jewish, and there are plenty of arguments to be made as to why the formation of Israel has had a negative impact.

Must be failing soft brain tissue that keeps stupidity like this from going away.
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jayj420
09/13/17 5:05:16 PM
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He murdered millions of innocent people.

He will be remembered for that, pretty hard to live something like that down.
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Doe
09/13/17 5:05:45 PM
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The Admiral posted...
averagejoel posted...
formation of Israel was bad


Wow. Must be the soft bigotry of low expectations that keeps stupidity like this from resulting in warnings.

It's so good to force people off their land of course lmao
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Ivynn
09/13/17 5:07:48 PM
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100, 200 years from now, Hitler might be seen as just another historical baddie like Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun. But as someone said, unlike all previous historical bad guys, we have photographs, films, and other media of Hitler's atrocities so his awfulness will likely always be seen as above the rest.
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jayj420
09/13/17 5:07:53 PM
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Doe posted...
The Admiral posted...
averagejoel posted...
formation of Israel was bad


Wow. Must be the soft bigotry of low expectations that keeps stupidity like this from resulting in warnings.

It's so good to force people off their land of course lmao

If you really want to get into that, you can blame the Nazi's for that one as they were the ones taking over and displacing millions and sending the rest to death camps.
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The Admiral
09/13/17 5:08:47 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
The Admiral posted...
averagejoel posted...
formation of Israel was bad


Wow. Must be the soft bigotry of low expectations that keeps stupidity like this from resulting in warnings.


Cry more dude. If youve got an argument, make it, dont just bawl over someones opinion. Im Jewish, and there are plenty of arguments to be made as to why the formation of Israel has had a negative impact.

Must be failing soft brain tissue that keeps stupidity like this from going away.


LOL. Yeah, you're definitely Jewish all right. Very believable.
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Jerry_Hellyeah
09/13/17 5:20:20 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
The Admiral posted...
averagejoel posted...
formation of Israel was bad


Wow. Must be the soft bigotry of low expectations that keeps stupidity like this from resulting in warnings.


Cry more dude. If youve got an argument, make it, dont just bawl over someones opinion. Im Jewish, and there are plenty of arguments to be made as to why the formation of Israel has had a negative impact.

Must be failing soft brain tissue that keeps stupidity like this from going away.


LOL. Yeah, you're definitely Jewish all right. Very believable.


You know someones got a strong argument when this is their response. How about you learn a little about the subject before you get mad and stupid in public? Do you.....know where/what Israel is? Or are you just an "IT JEW THING SO IT GOOD, NOT LIKE ISRAEL MEAN NOT LIKE JEWS" type?

Grow up and call your mom in to change your diaper.
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OrtegaTron
09/13/17 5:22:17 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
The Admiral posted...
Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
The Admiral posted...
averagejoel posted...
formation of Israel was bad


Wow. Must be the soft bigotry of low expectations that keeps stupidity like this from resulting in warnings.


Cry more dude. If youve got an argument, make it, dont just bawl over someones opinion. Im Jewish, and there are plenty of arguments to be made as to why the formation of Israel has had a negative impact.

Must be failing soft brain tissue that keeps stupidity like this from going away.


LOL. Yeah, you're definitely Jewish all right. Very believable.


You know someones got a strong argument when this is their response. How about you learn a little about the subject before you get mad and stupid in public? Do you.....know where/what Israel is? Or are you just an "IT JEW THING SO IT GOOD, NOT LIKE ISRAEL MEAN NOT LIKE JEWS" type?

Grow up and call your mom in to change your diaper.

Hahaha. Triggered af.
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ThyCorndog
09/13/17 5:25:05 PM
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K181 posted...
Genghis Khan, Attila, and the Vikings had the good fortune to do their atrocities during a time period without photographs and video and mass media. So.... I'm guessing that no, Hitler won't get the neutral treatment.

I was gonna say Hitler will probably get the Genghis Khan treatment in the future, but this is a good point and now I'm not sure
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NadYobWoc
09/13/17 5:25:30 PM
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Some high level discourse itt
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TroutPaste
09/13/17 5:27:43 PM
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Hitler was a monster psychopath

Leave it to C "alt right" E to be this way
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marthsheretoo
09/13/17 5:29:56 PM
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The Admiral posted...
LOL. Yeah, you're definitely Jewish all right. Very believable.


I'm also Jewish, and I'm gonna back him up on this one.
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ThyCorndog
09/13/17 5:30:26 PM
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TroutPaste posted...
Hitler was a monster psychopath

Leave it to C "alt right" E to be this way

tc's point is that attila and genghis were monster psychopaths too and they aren't really talked about in the way hitler is, because they did their atrocities so much longer ago. so he's asking if we think hitler will get the same treatment in the future or not. maybe u should try reading sometime
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TroutPaste
09/13/17 5:31:37 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
TroutPaste posted...
Hitler was a monster psychopath

Leave it to C "alt right" E to be this way

tc's point is that attila and genghis were monster psychopaths too and they aren't really talked about in the way hitler is, because they did their atrocities so much longer ago. so he's asking if we think hitler will get the same treatment in the future or not. maybe u should try reading sometime


The 20th century was a very different time. Both my grandfathers fought in World War Two and survived until the past 18 months. That's apples to oranges. Maybe you should try developing logic. Everyone in antiquity was pieces of shit. They didn't have access to printing presses and global government. They had different mindsets.
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Axiom
09/13/17 5:31:55 PM
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I'd say for that to happen something would have to go terribly wrong. Like nazis rising up again to dominate the world wrong
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Solid Snake07
09/13/17 5:32:03 PM
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I think most people who know anything about world history would acknowledge that Genghis Khan was a monster
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TroutPaste
09/13/17 5:32:30 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
I think most people who know anything about world history would acknowledge that Genghis Khan was a monster


also this

Who says these people are "neutral"? You?
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DreadedWave
09/13/17 5:33:48 PM
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jayj420 posted...
If you really want to get into that, you can blame the Nazi's for that one as they were the ones taking over and displacing millions and sending the rest to death camps.

The Soviets did too, minus the death camps.
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TroutPaste
09/13/17 5:34:03 PM
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DreadedWave posted...
jayj420 posted...
If you really want to get into that, you can blame the Nazi's for that one as they were the ones taking over and displacing millions and sending the rest to death camps.

The Soviets did too, minus the death camps.


lol @ "minus". Nazis were going to send Jews to Russia if they took that place over
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DreadedWave
09/13/17 5:35:09 PM
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TroutPaste posted...
lol @ "minus"

Yes minus in the sense that there did not exist Nazi style concentration camps that focused squarely on the destruction of Jews.
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TroutPaste
09/13/17 5:35:28 PM
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DreadedWave posted...
TroutPaste posted...
lol @ "minus"

Yes minus in the sense that there did not exist Nazi style concentration camps that focused squarely on the destruction of Jews.


Still "Death". Doesn't matter why they did that. Stalin killed more than Hitler
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DreadedWave
09/13/17 5:36:24 PM
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Well no doubt but that wasn't the point.
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TroutPaste
09/13/17 5:37:04 PM
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Yeah I see what you're saying
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ScottSweatshirt
09/13/17 5:39:27 PM
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The worlds ending within a century
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ThyCorndog
09/13/17 5:40:59 PM
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you could make a genghis khan based account or name yourself after genghis khan, etc

if you did that stuff with hitler it would look way worse. idk what's complicated about it. that's all people mean by genghis khan being a neutral figure in history. acknowledging that he was a genocidal maniac doesn't meant he's not a neutral figure, because talking about genghis khan doesn't invoke the same emotions that talking about hitler does today, since the atrocities done by hitler were so much more recent in history
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TroutPaste
09/13/17 5:41:38 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
you could make a genghis khan based account or name yourself after genghis khan, etc

if you did that stuff with hitler it would look way worse. idk what's complicated about it. that's all people mean by genghis khan being a neutral figure in history. acknowledging that he was a genocidal maniac doesn't meant he's not a neutral figure, because talking about genghis khan doesn't invoke the same emotions that talking about hitler does today, since the atrocities done by hitler were so much more recent in history


Good point, but could you joke about him in China?
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ThyCorndog
09/13/17 5:42:57 PM
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TroutPaste posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
you could make a genghis khan based account or name yourself after genghis khan, etc

if you did that stuff with hitler it would look way worse. idk what's complicated about it. that's all people mean by genghis khan being a neutral figure in history. acknowledging that he was a genocidal maniac doesn't meant he's not a neutral figure, because talking about genghis khan doesn't invoke the same emotions that talking about hitler does today, since the atrocities done by hitler were so much more recent in history


Good point, but could you joke about him in China?

no idea. would be interesting to find out I guess
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averagejoel
09/13/17 6:35:13 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
The Admiral posted...
Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
The Admiral posted...
averagejoel posted...
formation of Israel was bad


Wow. Must be the soft bigotry of low expectations that keeps stupidity like this from resulting in warnings.


Cry more dude. If youve got an argument, make it, dont just bawl over someones opinion. Im Jewish, and there are plenty of arguments to be made as to why the formation of Israel has had a negative impact.

Must be failing soft brain tissue that keeps stupidity like this from going away.


LOL. Yeah, you're definitely Jewish all right. Very believable.


You know someones got a strong argument when this is their response. How about you learn a little about the subject before you get mad and stupid in public? Do you.....know where/what Israel is? Or are you just an "IT JEW THING SO IT GOOD, NOT LIKE ISRAEL MEAN NOT LIKE JEWS" type?

Grow up and call your mom in to change your diaper.

um yeah, actually apartheid is extremely good
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Kineth
09/13/17 6:37:47 PM
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That moment when Admiral is defending the plight of a minority group.
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averagejoel
09/13/17 6:41:06 PM
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27_Sandman_40 posted...
averagejoel posted...
formation of Israel was bad


found the nazi

you mean Admiral? possibly. I don't know

Kineth posted...
That moment when Admiral is defending the plight of a minority group.

it's like when all those politicians suddenly became "Pro-LGBT" after the gay bar was shot up by the brown-skinned dude
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Anteaterking
09/13/17 6:57:35 PM
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I don't understand what "neutral" is supposed to mean in this context. Attila the Hun wasn't presented as a good person when I took history.
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averagejoel
09/13/17 6:59:36 PM
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27_Sandman_40 posted...
no, i'm talking about you. jews have been persecuted for literal millenia and you're just adding to their bullshit when you enable comments like that to be normal

fucking pisses me off

being anti-Israel is not the same thing as being antisemitic
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The Admiral
09/13/17 7:01:31 PM
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averagejoel posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
no, i'm talking about you. jews have been persecuted for literal millenia and you're just adding to their bullshit when you enable comments like that to be normal

fucking pisses me off

being anti-Israel is not the same thing as being antisemitic


Keep telling yourself that.
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Funkydog
09/13/17 7:02:21 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
I don't understand what "neutral" is supposed to mean in this context. Attila the Hun wasn't presented as a good person when I took history.

This. I don't get it either.

Same with other historical figures who did a lot of evil, they were never painted as neutral, even if their actions may have had beneficial consequences in the long term.
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Funkydog
09/13/17 7:03:39 PM
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The Admiral posted...
averagejoel posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
no, i'm talking about you. jews have been persecuted for literal millenia and you're just adding to their bullshit when you enable comments like that to be normal

fucking pisses me off

being anti-Israel is not the same thing as being antisemitic


Keep telling yourself that.

How is it?

People can dislike the actions of Israel, without disliking Jews.
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The Admiral
09/13/17 7:04:24 PM
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Funkydog posted...
The Admiral posted...
averagejoel posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
no, i'm talking about you. jews have been persecuted for literal millenia and you're just adding to their bullshit when you enable comments like that to be normal

fucking pisses me off

being anti-Israel is not the same thing as being antisemitic


Keep telling yourself that.

How is it?

People can dislike the actions of Israel, without disliking Jews.


Disliking the actions of Israel and believing the Israeli state shouldn't exist are not the same thing.
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