Current Events > interesting post about white privilege i found on FB

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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Quite the contrary actually, I have been quite often told that I deserve to suffer and get nothing because somehow that's "payback" or "justice" for me being born white.

who says this to you quite often?
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

No one is saying you are obligated to do anything of the sort. Not everyone is in a position to help.

Bullshit, I'm always getting accusations and guilt-tripping hurled at me like it's somehow *all* my fault, and none of them give a single solid fuck about my own disadvantages on account of my being part of the lower class all my life. Quite the contrary actually, I have been quite often told that I deserve to suffer and get nothing because somehow that's "payback" or "justice" for me being born white.
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mario2000 posted...

primo example of someone aggressively misunderstanding a simple concept right here

I really don't give a fuck what your bigoted, yuppie ass thinks.

might want to see a therapist about your anger issues
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Balrog0 posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Quite the contrary actually, I have been quite often told that I deserve to suffer and get nothing because somehow that's "payback" or "justice" for me being born white.

who says this to you quite often?

I'm also interested in the answer to this question, @Inferno_Dive_Dragoon
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That_Happened posted...

Balrog0 posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Quite the contrary actually, I have been quite often told that I deserve to suffer and get nothing because somehow that's "payback" or "justice" for me being born white.

who says this to you quite often?

I'm also interested in the answer to this question, @Inferno_Dive_Dragoon

the answer is the imaginary strawmen he invented in his head
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Balrog0 posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Quite the contrary actually, I have been quite often told that I deserve to suffer and get nothing because somehow that's "payback" or "justice" for me being born white.

who says this to you quite often?

Usually middle class, wannabe-aristocratic fucktwits (IE: yuppies). Naturally the majority of them are white themselves.

At first it was just limited to online which was simple enough to dismiss, but then it started cropping up in real life too, and then the amount of them screeching online reached deafening proportions that can't be easily ignored. Things reached a feverish pitch especially during the 2016 election, where I've literally been stopped on the street by college kids and interrogated about who I was voting for and then having them subsequently lose their shit/pile on the insults and mockery when they heard my answer. (Which was "no one" because I didn't like Clinton or Trump. Seriously, what good are corporate pigs to a commoner?)

Folks like that went downright nuclear after the election results came in, like, to the point I try as hard as possible to avoid the Montgomery/Kingwood/North Harris areas now because I've heard of small pockets of Antifa-like groups near the college campus zones even nearly a year later. I have a pale complexion, Southern accent, and a mostly-buzzed off hair cut (because it gets hot in Texas and I'm balding anyway). Last thing I need or want is some middle class dipshit fucker upgrading from "white privilege" accusations to "white supremacist" ones and to go from throwing insults to throwing punches.

For fuck's sake, there's people who genuinely believe that any white people who lost something during Harvey "deserved it" because they're white and because Trump is President, even though as far as I know, the overall southeast portion of Texas predominantly voted for Clinton (especially Houston, the place that got wrecked the hardest). If you or anyone else thinks that there isn't some legit and widespread anti-white sentiment going around (especially towards lower class ones), to the extent that there are other people literally wishing suffering and death on me to my face because of my race, then you're either fucking dense, or you're secretly a supporter of that mindset (so of course you're going to downplay/ignore it).
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

If you or anyone else thinks that there isn't some legit and widespread anti-white sentiment going around (especially towards lower class ones), to the extent that there are other people literally wishing suffering and death on me to my face because of my race, then you're either fucking dense, or you're secretly a supporter of that mindset (so of course you're going to downplay/ignore it).

I've never seen this happen once in my entire life. I live in little rock, arkansas
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suggesting that minorities be able to achieve the same resources and social standing as whites is anti-white sentiment didn't you know
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Balrog0 posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

If you or anyone else thinks that there isn't some legit and widespread anti-white sentiment going around (especially towards lower class ones), to the extent that there are other people literally wishing suffering and death on me to my face because of my race, then you're either fucking dense, or you're secretly a supporter of that mindset (so of course you're going to downplay/ignore it).

I've never seen this happen once in my entire life. I live in little rock, arkansas

I haven't seen this in real life either. Only on the internet, and mostly only when I actively go looking for it, or when I'm on CE (which is full of posters who actively look for it). I'm not saying it never exists, but to call it "widespread" seems very wrong to me.
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Balrog0 posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

If you or anyone else thinks that there isn't some legit and widespread anti-white sentiment going around (especially towards lower class ones), to the extent that there are other people literally wishing suffering and death on me to my face because of my race, then you're either fucking dense, or you're secretly a supporter of that mindset (so of course you're going to downplay/ignore it).

I've never seen this happen once in my entire life. I live in little rock, arkansas

Can't say I know anything about Little Rock's political climate or racial composition, so for all I know it's not possible to run into that kind of mentality over there.

What I do know is the area I live in and the areas I pass through have their fair share of racists, whether their targets are white, black or so on. It's why I hold such a massive revilement for libs/cons & Clinton/Trump supporters alike, because I've seen how bigoted and hostile both sides of the aisle can be depending on who I have the misfortune of crossing paths with. Incidentally, it makes me all the more assured that I'm right for wanting to stay indoors all the time (living in Texas or otherwise), nothing but assholes out there in the world and unlike here, I can't just put them on my ignore list.
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Darkman124 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

anyone pretending that "white privilege" isn't a precursor to being asked and expected to do things if you're white is outright lying

https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/

the main thing asked of privileged people is 'be vigilant for shitheads' which i think is not a lot to request.

privilege is a tool. it can be used simply for comfort, or it can additionally be used to help protect those without it from assholes.

i won't comment on the link except to note that there are shitheads everywhere, including among those who think they're helping. this does not mean that there are equal numbers of shitheads in every group.

'If you have a house, white people, give it to a minority.'
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mario2000 posted...

suggesting that minorities be able to achieve the same resources and social standing as whites is anti-white sentiment didn't you know

It is when you do it at the expense of white people.
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Fam_Fam posted...

TL;DR version: Tall people have advantages that short people don't have. There are some disadvantages as well, but generally they are better off. You should help people reach higher shelves when you can, even though they perhaps can reach them themselves with some effort. Just recognize you have some advantages, and help out when you can. You don't need to feel bad for being tall, just recognize that some people have it tougher in different ways.

Same thing applies to white privilege as well. You don't need to feel guilt, but just recognize that you have advantages. Help people reach things as well when you can.

To the first part, of course. These are all part of basic human etiquette, or as Larry David says, 'unwritten rules of society'.

To the second, I don't think white privilege exists.
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darkjedilink posted...

mario2000 posted...

suggesting that minorities be able to achieve the same resources and social standing as whites is anti-white sentiment didn't you know

It is when you do it at the expense of white people.

if you think that others being allowed to achieve success and happiness in life is "at the expense" of you, you may want to rethink your morals and beliefs
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darkjedilink posted...

'If you have a house, white people, give it to a minority.'

"Jews will not replace us."

Both are equally representative of those who say "white privilege" and those who say "white privilege doesn't exist."
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Being tall has easily observable advantages. What are the advantages of being white? Not the advantages that tend to be more correlated with being white (like being more likely to be born in a higher income family), but whiteness itself.

Race is a social construct. Most if not all advantages of being white are sociological, rather than physical, like being tall.
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So what exactly is the progressives ultimate goal when it comes to white privilege? What do you plan to do about it or at least what do you expect whites to do about it?
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Asherlee10 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

So what exactly is the progressives ultimate goal when it comes to white privilege? What do you plan to do about it or at least what do you expect whites to do about it?

A good place to start would be reading the article in the OP and some of the comments in this topic already. What you're bringing up has been discussed.

So i read the article and all the posts in this topic but the core issue is still being avoided.

What do white people have to do for the better of minorities if they admit to white privilege?

Little everyday interactions I understand. Help minorities being bullied. Don't say racist things etc.

But how are whites supposed to pick minorities up and help them reach the higher shelf? When it comes down to it in life, what matters is freedom and success in life.

Are whites going to have to step down in any way from opportunities just so a minority can get that opportunity? Will whites have to treat minorities better than whites treat each other?

This all reaks of a sleazy plan to go "gotcha" and then demand that whites put themselves down for the benefit of non whites. If that wasn't the case, if it doesn't make a difference whether whites admit to their privilege or not, then the shaming of whites for having that privilege would be pointless.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

So what exactly is the progressives ultimate goal when it comes to white privilege? What do you plan to do about it or at least what do you expect whites to do about it?

A good place to start would be reading the article in the OP and some of the comments in this topic already. What you're bringing up has been discussed.

So i read the article and all the posts in this topic but the core issue is still being avoided.

What do white people have to do for the better of minorities if they admit to white privilege?

Little everyday interactions I understand. Help minorities being bullied. Don't say racist things etc.

But how are whites supposed to pick minorities up and help them reach the higher shelf? When it comes down to it in life, what matters is freedom and success in life.

Are whites going to have to step down in any way from opportunities just so a minority can get that opportunity? Will whites have to treat minorities better than whites treat each other?

This all reaks of a sleazy plan to go "gotcha" and then demand that whites put themselves down for the benefit of non whites. If that wasn't the case, if it doesn't make a difference whether whites admit to their privilege or not, then the shaming of whites for having that privilege would be pointless.

Are non of the progressives on gamefaqs able to answer this honestly?
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Will whites have to treat minorities better than whites treat each other?

I can't speak for progressives, but I would just aim for parity
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Little everyday interactions I understand. Help minorities being bullied. Don't say racist things etc.

But how are whites supposed to pick minorities up and help them reach the higher shelf?

I think the idea is that if we strive for parity then over time all will right itself.
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I mean I do know of other, actual concrete things that some people say to do

like, for instance, not sending your kids to private school or magnet schools, since minorities are less likely to be able to do that and it leaves them in a bind with respect to schools, since the public schools in your area will suffer from having low attendance

I personally do not say those things. But there are suggestions like that out there
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So black people are midgets?
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Balrog0 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Will whites have to treat minorities better than whites treat each other?

I can't speak for progressives, but I would just aim for parity

That_Happened posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Little everyday interactions I understand. Help minorities being bullied. Don't say racist things etc.

But how are whites supposed to pick minorities up and help them reach the higher shelf?

I think the idea is that if we strive for parity then over time all will right itself.

See that's completely reasonable. Both the majority and minority get the benefit of treating each other as equals and helping each other by using their privilege to help those who don't share that privilege.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Both the majority and minority get the benefit of treating each other as equals and helping each other by using their privilege to help those who don't share that privilege.

now I don't understand what you're talking about

being black in america doesn't confer any advantages

sauce: my girlfriend is black and I am white
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Balrog0 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Both the majority and minority get the benefit of treating each other as equals and helping each other by using their privilege to help those who don't share that privilege.

now I don't understand what you're talking about

being black in america doesn't confer any advantages

sauce: my girlfriend is black and I am white

There are advantages and disadvantages. Some disadvantages are being stereotyped as violent, and some advantages are being picked over any other race for diversity reasons and having almost absolute free speech when it comes to talking about race and not getting in trouble.

My recent ex was black and she had people treat her much better in everyday social interactions because she was black AND a female.

So there are advantages. Black people could use their privilege of free speech to point out the hypocrisy of the double standards of racism without being called racist. This has gone a long way online to bring both whites and blacks together as Americans who hate the agenda media.
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The FB post is mostly correct and gives a spot-on definition of "privilege." Just one problem:

Nobody is saying that.

This is categorically false. Plenty of pseudo-news writers / social bloggers are misusing the term online. My first introduction to the concept of "privilege" was an unambiguously hostile one, delivered by a gender studies student who I went to college with. This is a problem.

It's not entirely White people's fault that so many of them are so defensive about this. The word already comes with connotational baggage of its own, and new negative extensions are being added by people who aggressively misuse the term. Ignoring and/or denying this fact isn't going to help White people understand the concept of modern racial inequality any faster.

The proper meaning of "privilege" may be obvious some people like the author of the FB post, but if we fail to acknowledge how the word has been weaponized in some circles then we run the risk of losing control of the term altogether.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

My recent ex was black and she had people treat her much better in everyday social interactions because she was black AND a female.

...Isn't it kind of strange that you would take her word over literally millions of black people who have had the opposite experience?
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But short people can reach things lower down more easily, where tall people have to bend over and have back problems.
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Funkydog posted...

But short people can reach things lower down more easily, where tall people have to bend over and have back problems.

The first post continues, saying that the best items are on the top shelf.
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That_Happened posted...

Funkydog posted...

But short people can reach things lower down more easily, where tall people have to bend over and have back problems.

The first post continues, saying that the best items are on the top shelf.

Are they though?

Expensive, maybe. Best? I dunno! All the best deals are in hands reach usually.
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That_Happened posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

My recent ex was black and she had people treat her much better in everyday social interactions because she was black AND a female.

...Isn't it kind of strange that you would take her word over literally millions of black people who have had the opposite experience?

I've seen it happen when I used to pick her up from college. But I get your point. It's no different though than how millions of whites never had privilege a day in their life.

We're simply acknowledging the pros and cons of different privileges, not implying that everyone has th same experience.
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