Current Events > I really wish I had faith in God or something...

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All my faults, all my feats, all my life is my burden and mine alone.

Even if I was of faith I doubt I'd go to heaven..but I wish there was something I could believe in when things get rough.

But since I don't, I have to have faith in myself..and I've let myself down time and time again atleast in my eyes. It's kind of hard? By the way I'm not against faith, I know it helps people who want a greater sense of themselves and their community.

I can do this. I will do this.

Sorry having a rough day...what's up with you?
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I believe in some kinda higher power.

it doesn't make me feel better.
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nayr626 posted...

All my faults, all my feats, all my life is my burden and mine alone.

Even if I was of faith I doubt I'd go to heaven..but I wish there was something I could believe in when things get rough.

But since I don't, I have to have faith in myself..and I've let myself down time and time again atleast in my eyes. It's kind of hard? By the way I'm not against faith, I know it helps people who want a greater sense of themselves and their community.

I can do this. I will do this.

Sorry having a rough day...what's up with you?

Why don't you have faith?
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nah man, think of it the other way. You being a complete failure is meaningless in the long run. God aint gonna judge you for it. Only person who can judge you is you, so go out and do something you really wanna do. Maybe wear a jedi cloak in public or something idk.
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boxington posted...

I believe in some kinda higher power.

it doesn't make me feel better.

If I were to believe in anything it would be something like The Force from star wars. Something that is less human than we would think. Some kind of creative energy that spans the whole universe

I'm a nihilist and it sucks. There's nothing that'd convince me otherwise either.

Continue to believe in yourself and one day great things will happen.
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Zikten posted...

boxington posted...

I believe in some kinda higher power.

it doesn't make me feel better.

If I were to believe in anything it would be something like The Force from star wars. Something that is less human than we would think. Some kind of creative energy that spans the whole universe

Star Wars is fiction and has no place in a serious discussion.
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boxington posted...

I believe in some kinda higher power.

it doesn't make me feel better.

That's good to hear.

ManLink4321 posted...

nayr626 posted...

All my faults, all my feats, all my life is my burden and mine alone.

Even if I was of faith I doubt I'd go to heaven..but I wish there was something I could believe in when things get rough.

But since I don't, I have to have faith in myself..and I've let myself down time and time again atleast in my eyes. It's kind of hard? By the way I'm not against faith, I know it helps people who want a greater sense of themselves and their community.

I can do this. I will do this.

Sorry having a rough day...what's up with you?

Why don't you have faith?

I was raised Catholic.

My brother is gay, and I have a problem with the Catholic church's stance on homesexuality.

Kinda gave up on religion after my Mom died and never went back. I do believe in something greater..
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Rhylos posted...

I'm a nihilist and it sucks. There's nothing that'd convince me otherwise either.

so do you think you're eternal or something? what was out there before you were born? has to be something out there, no?

All religion is man-made in order for other, weaker men to succumb to others desires under the false pretense of a "higher power's"will.

Literally every religion ever made was created to mind control people into being more docile to certain peoples or groups so that they never question things they are told to do, or what is right or wrong. Have faith in yourself and yourself alone. At the end of the day, you are the only one standing for you.
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Rhylos posted...

I'm a nihilist and it sucks. There's nothing that'd convince me otherwise either.

I'm a nihilist and find a certain peace from it. Rarely a negative to my outlook, at least.

That apparently makes me a major outlier though.
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I believe god humbles us and we need to accept that. We aren't ever as powerful as we think we are.

Close a door to open a window type shit. Look at any of your failures as an opportunity to bounce back and be resilient and maybe inspire someone else.
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FaytlessHearts posted...

All religion is man-made in order for other, weaker men to succumb to others desires under the false pretense of a "higher power's"will.

Literally every religion ever made was created to mind control people into being more docile to certain peoples or groups so that they never question things they are told to do, or what is right or wrong. Have faith in yourself and yourself alone. At the end of the day, you are the only one standing for you.

This, but ignorance is bliss is really true. It is sometimes hard.
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nayr626 posted...

I know it helps people who want a greater sense of themselves and their community.

If you want to shed away yourself to become someone you aren't, sure, go for it.
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NoManLink4321 posted...

Zikten posted...

boxington posted...

I believe in some kinda higher power.

it doesn't make me feel better.

If I were to believe in anything it would be something like The Force from star wars. Something that is less human than we would think. Some kind of creative energy that spans the whole universe

Star Wars is fiction and has no place in a serious discussion.

I'm not saying I believe in The Force. I believe in something like it. It's based on an idea that could be true. I'm saying it's more likely than a human type deity like most religions. My point is that God is probably not an entity we can understand or visualize

Prince became a JW. Strange, because before that, he was getting ALL the pussy.
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FaytlessHearts posted...

All religion is man-made in order for other, weaker men to succumb to others desires under the false pretense of a "higher power's"will.

Literally every religion ever made was created to mind control people into being more docile to certain peoples or groups so that they never question things they are told to do, or what is right or wrong. Have faith in yourself and yourself alone. At the end of the day, you are the only one standing for you.

That's why you don't believe in religion
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it's always entertaining when people make these grand sweeping claims about how all religion is man-made in order to control others, how god would not be something we can understand or visualize, etc. it's like, how the hell do you know any of that? lol

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Rhylos posted...

I'm a nihilist and it sucks. There's nothing that'd convince me otherwise either.

so do you think you're eternal or something? what was out there before you were born? has to be something out there, no?

We are eternal. We're made of stardust that's existed since the dawn of time, and we'll continue to exist after death.

But I was referring more towards the religious aspect of convincing me. When you take in the entire scope of the universe and how much time has transpired, you'd never convince me that all of it was for us humans. The universe has existed for over 13.7 billion years; primitive humans who started using stone tools existed about 2.5 million years ago. Humans have existed for 0.00018% of all time, and religion says all of time is for us? No, that just sounds self centered and a way of convincing ourselves we matter.

That's time, so what about space? I took a rough estimate of the estimated number of galaxies, average number of stars that exist in them, and came to us occupying about 0.000000000000000000000016% (1.6e-23) of our observable universe. It's been a while, I'm sure the numbers have changed, but usually the estimated number of galaxies/stars goes up every time I check.

So yeah, I'm a nihilist because we matter so little, and you'd never convince me all of it was so that a higher being could create us.

Rhylos posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Rhylos posted...

I'm a nihilist and it sucks. There's nothing that'd convince me otherwise either.

so do you think you're eternal or something? what was out there before you were born? has to be something out there, no?

We are eternal. We're made of stardust that's existed since the dawn of time, and we'll continue to exist after death.

But I was referring more towards the religious aspect of convincing me. When you take in the entire scope of the universe and how much time has transpired, you'd never convince me that all of it was for us humans. The universe has existed for over 13.7 billion years; primitive humans who started using stone tools existed about 2.5 million years ago. Humans have existed for 0.00018% of all time, and religion says all of time is for us? No, that just sounds self centered and a way of convincing ourselves we matter.

why does length of time or the physical size of the universe determine importance, though? the universe being old or large does not determine whether or not humans matter.

that's always been a bad argument. i cringe when people say "wow look how small the earth is, it proves we're insignificant" or variants of that. it's just a sloppy argument based on weak logic.

and i'm not just talking about stardust btw. what about before the universe existed in any capacity? surely there's more to existence than just our individual consciousness. you said you're a nihilist, so i'm trying to understand how you rationalize that point of view.

Well, I edited my post to include a spacial argument as well. I can't help but try to quantify existence, and time and space are the only factors you can really do that with, and you can't dismiss how little we as humans take up. Nihilism means nothing matters, and given how little we matter, it's pretty damn close to nothing.

But hey, that's me. If you want to convince yourself all of this was for you and us as the human race, then good for you.

If you take a $100 bill and multiply its physical size by an order of one billion, it's still worth the value that was imputed to it. Regardless of how thick or large the paper is.

I don't understand how you can jump from "the universe is so big" to "therefore humans don't matter"

Analogy: At what size of treehouse or sandbox do we begin to conclude that we have no father and that we are meaningless? value and meaning don't depend on size or space. I'm agnostic, fyi. I just cringe when I see people make weak arguments and grand sweeping statements.

and what if one day the distances are going to be nothing to us? a few thousand years ago, traveling around the world was an immense challenge. yet now it's a trivial matter. we wouldn't look at the size of the earth and say that humans are so small compared with it that we're meaningless or worthless, would we?

and what if in a trillion years we're still around because of science and technology? we wouldn't say that the length of our existence somehow then made us meaningful once we've arbitrarily crossed X number of years of existence, would we?

Oh well.

What is it called when you believe everything is inside of our heads? That without an observer nothing can exist. It's not solipsism because I do believe other people are concious just like I am.
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Humans will always matter to other humans.
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