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VandorLee 09/12/17 5:03:33 PM #51:	hollow_shrine posted... VandorLee posted... averagejoel posted... VandorLee posted... I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews. you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison..... You can't claim ignorance if someone just told you your 'hypothetical' conditional isn't actually hypothetical. The N-word and its trauma is very much an American experience. By comparison, Jewish people are subject to several of racially targeted slurs and insults in the US and all across Western Europe. So people shouldnt be free to use these words right? --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:886481511] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews.</quote> you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right</quote> Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison.....</quote> You can't claim ignorance if someone just told you your 'hypothetical' conditional isn't actually hypothetical. The N-word and its trauma is very much an American experience. By comparison, Jewish people are subject to several of racially targeted slurs and insults in the US and all across Western Europe.</quote> So people shouldnt be free to use these words right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/12/17 5:03:54 PM #52:	VandorLee posted... averagejoel posted... VandorLee posted... I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews. you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison..... actually you're both, but that's a separate conversation --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:886481532] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews.</quote> you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right</quote> Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison.....</quote> actually you're both, but that's a separate conversation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 09/12/17 5:04:08 PM #53:	ModLogic posted... darkphoenix181 posted... the assaulter was indeed justified by the general public imagine actually thinking this The general public isn't the neck beards on here Most people don't care if you punch a racist or nazi --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:886481542] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>ModLogic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>the assaulter was indeed justified by the general public</quote> imagine actually thinking this</quote> The general public isn't the neck beards on here Most people don't care if you punch a racist or nazi</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/12/17 5:04:33 PM #54:	VandorLee posted... hollow_shrine posted... VandorLee posted... averagejoel posted... VandorLee posted... I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews. you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison..... You can't claim ignorance if someone just told you your 'hypothetical' conditional isn't actually hypothetical. The N-word and its trauma is very much an American experience. By comparison, Jewish people are subject to several of racially targeted slurs and insults in the US and all across Western Europe. So people shouldnt be free to use these words right? no one is saying that but they should be aware that there are consequences for using them --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:886481565] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews.</quote> you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right</quote> Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison.....</quote> You can't claim ignorance if someone just told you your 'hypothetical' conditional isn't actually hypothetical. The N-word and its trauma is very much an American experience. By comparison, Jewish people are subject to several of racially targeted slurs and insults in the US and all across Western Europe.</quote> So people shouldnt be free to use these words right?</quote> no one is saying that but they should be aware that there are consequences for using them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 09/12/17 5:05:09 PM #55:	averagejoel posted... VandorLee posted... averagejoel posted... VandorLee posted... I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews. you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison..... actually you're both, but that's a separate conversation Ok. What about this conversation. It would be easier to get all your insults out of the way so you can actually talk about the topic at hand. Or if im just an idiot, do you reply to all idiots? --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:886481592] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews.</quote> you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right</quote> Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison.....</quote> actually you're both, but that's a separate conversation</quote> Ok. What about this conversation. It would be easier to get all your insults out of the way so you can actually talk about the topic at hand. Or if im just an idiot, do you reply to all idiots?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 5:05:45 PM #56:	@ModLogic posted... darkphoenix181 posted... the assaulter was indeed justified by the general public imagine actually thinking this so when people comment "fair next" "got what he deserved!" "take that racist" we are to somehow assume the general public did not condone the actions of the assaulter? --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886481630] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>@ModLogic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>the assaulter was indeed justified by the general public</quote> imagine actually thinking this</quote> so when people comment "fair next" "got what he deserved!" "take that racist" we are to somehow assume the general public did not condone the actions of the assaulter?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 09/12/17 5:06:15 PM #57:	averagejoel posted... VandorLee posted... hollow_shrine posted... VandorLee posted... averagejoel posted... VandorLee posted... I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews. you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison..... You can't claim ignorance if someone just told you your 'hypothetical' conditional isn't actually hypothetical. The N-word and its trauma is very much an American experience. By comparison, Jewish people are subject to several of racially targeted slurs and insults in the US and all across Western Europe. So people shouldnt be free to use these words right? no one is saying that but they should be aware that there are consequences for using them Your free but theres consequences? Sounds like laws.... --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:886481663] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews.</quote> you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right</quote> Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison.....</quote> You can't claim ignorance if someone just told you your 'hypothetical' conditional isn't actually hypothetical. The N-word and its trauma is very much an American experience. By comparison, Jewish people are subject to several of racially targeted slurs and insults in the US and all across Western Europe.</quote> So people shouldnt be free to use these words right?</quote> no one is saying that but they should be aware that there are consequences for using them</quote> Your free but theres consequences? Sounds like laws....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 09/12/17 5:08:38 PM #58:	VandorLee posted... averagejoel posted... VandorLee posted... hollow_shrine posted... VandorLee posted... averagejoel posted... VandorLee posted... I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews. you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison..... You can't claim ignorance if someone just told you your 'hypothetical' conditional isn't actually hypothetical. The N-word and its trauma is very much an American experience. By comparison, Jewish people are subject to several of racially targeted slurs and insults in the US and all across Western Europe. So people shouldnt be free to use these words right? no one is saying that but they should be aware that there are consequences for using them Your free but theres consequences? Sounds like laws.... What does freedom of speech mean to you and why do you believe that other people don't have a right to react to what you say? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:886481814] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote> I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews. </quote> you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right </quote> Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison..... </quote> You can't claim ignorance if someone just told you your 'hypothetical' conditional isn't actually hypothetical. The N-word and its trauma is very much an American experience. By comparison, Jewish people are subject to several of racially targeted slurs and insults in the US and all across Western Europe. </quote> So people shouldnt be free to use these words right? </quote> no one is saying that but they should be aware that there are consequences for using them</quote> Your free but theres consequences? Sounds like laws....</quote> What does freedom of speech mean to you and why do you believe that other people don't have a right to react to what you say?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 09/12/17 5:08:54 PM #59:	Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1357/ It's astounding how often the right to free speech is misunderstood. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:886481835] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote>Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1357/ It's astounding how often the right to free speech is misunderstood.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/12/17 5:11:06 PM #60:	VandorLee posted... averagejoel posted... VandorLee posted... hollow_shrine posted... VandorLee posted... averagejoel posted... VandorLee posted... I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews. you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison..... You can't claim ignorance if someone just told you your 'hypothetical' conditional isn't actually hypothetical. The N-word and its trauma is very much an American experience. By comparison, Jewish people are subject to several of racially targeted slurs and insults in the US and all across Western Europe. So people shouldnt be free to use these words right? no one is saying that but they should be aware that there are consequences for using them Your free but theres consequences? Sounds like laws.... there are 0 consequences from the government for using the n word. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:886481960] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I like how literally saying the word makes you a piece of shit racist. Like if you dont censor yourself you are racist. Thats like saying if you say "Hitler" and not the "H-guy" you hate jews.</quote> you are aware that there's an actual slur that gets used against jews, right</quote> Im racist if i know it or ignorant if i dont. Picking my poison.....</quote> You can't claim ignorance if someone just told you your 'hypothetical' conditional isn't actually hypothetical. The N-word and its trauma is very much an American experience. By comparison, Jewish people are subject to several of racially targeted slurs and insults in the US and all across Western Europe.</quote> So people shouldnt be free to use these words right?</quote> no one is saying that but they should be aware that there are consequences for using them</quote> Your free but theres consequences? Sounds like laws....</quote> there are 0 consequences from the government for using the n word.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 09/12/17 5:12:21 PM #61:	darkphoenix181 posted... @ModLogic posted... darkphoenix181 posted... the assaulter was indeed justified by the general public imagine actually thinking this so when people comment "fair next" "got what he deserved!" "take that racist" we are to somehow assume the general public did not condone the actions of the assaulter? what does that have to do with free speech? like, what's legal and what's accepted aren't always the same thing. the person beating the other is still illegal, regardless of how others would view the situation. --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:886482047] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@ModLogic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>the assaulter was indeed justified by the general public</quote> imagine actually thinking this</quote> so when people comment "fair next" "got what he deserved!" "take that racist" we are to somehow assume the general public did not condone the actions of the assaulter?</quote> what does that have to do with free speech? like, what's legal and what's accepted aren't always the same thing. the person beating the other is still illegal, regardless of how others would view the situation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 09/12/17 5:14:11 PM #62:	VandorLee posted... Your free but theres consequences? Sounds like laws.... Laws? Really? Newton's 'Laws of Thermodynamics' are mere consequences. Legal law is both more descriptive and prescriptive in how it's crafted. It's backed by huge important things like constitutions and enforced by state agencies staffed with all manner of trained professionals. Law isn't causal, nor does it exist without bodies of people to submit to its contract and execute it. You're grossly oversimplifying here. But again, you know that. --- https://i.imgtc.com/zyQ3oRW.jpg 15 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017 <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:886482160] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote> Your free but theres consequences? Sounds like laws....</quote> Laws? Really? Newton's 'Laws of Thermodynamics' are mere consequences. Legal law is both more descriptive and prescriptive in how it's crafted. It's backed by huge important things like constitutions and enforced by state agencies staffed with all manner of trained professionals. Law isn't causal, nor does it exist without bodies of people to submit to its contract and execute it. You're grossly oversimplifying here. But again, you know that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 09/12/17 5:14:22 PM #63:	Freedom: the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint. Well were sure not going with this (the first) definition. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:886482170] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>Freedom: the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.</cite> Well were sure not going with this (the first) definition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 5:14:44 PM #64:	Hornezz posted... Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1357/ It's astounding how often the right to free speech is misunderstood. lets say I made a comic like xkcd then I drew the prophet Mohammed like Charlie Ebdo did the next day a group of Muslims beat me up is that simply consequences? they aren't trying to limit my freedom of speech? it is just consequences? I mean, they aren't the government then say other people also get beat up in similar circumstances now people are afraid to draw this --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886482194] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hornezz posted...</cite> <quote>Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1357/ It's astounding how often the right to free speech is misunderstood.</quote> lets say I made a comic like xkcd then I drew the prophet Mohammed like Charlie Ebdo did the next day a group of Muslims beat me up is that simply consequences? they aren't trying to limit my freedom of speech? it is just consequences? I mean, they aren't the government then say other people also get beat up in similar circumstances now people are afraid to draw this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 09/12/17 5:16:47 PM #65:	Its like someone sticking someone up for money. They are perfectly free to not give them their money. They may get shot but they are perfectly free to refuse giving their money to the person threatening them with a gun. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:886482303] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote>Its like someone sticking someone up for money. They are perfectly free to not give them their money. They may get shot but they are perfectly free to refuse giving their money to the person threatening them with a gun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 09/12/17 5:16:47 PM #66:	How many times are people going to explain to TC why he is wrong only for him to ignore it. What a stupid fucking topic <cite>Axiom posted [p:886482304] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote>How many times are people going to explain to TC why he is wrong only for him to ignore it. What a stupid fucking topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 09/12/17 5:17:53 PM #67:	Axiom posted... How many times are people going to explain to TC why he is wrong only for him to ignore it. What a stupid fucking topic At least once more. Probably many many more times if I had to guess. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:886482352] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>How many times are people going to explain to TC why he is wrong only for him to ignore it. What a stupid fucking topic</quote> At least once more. Probably many many more times if I had to guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 09/12/17 5:17:56 PM #68:	VandorLee posted... Freedom: the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint. Well were sure not going with this (the first) definition. For you to have the right to use the n-word with impunity you must also restrict the free speech rights of others. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:886482358] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Freedom: the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.</cite> Well were sure not going with this (the first) definition.</quote> For you to have the right to use the n-word with impunity you must also restrict the free speech rights of others.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 09/12/17 5:21:04 PM #69:	darkphoenix181 posted... Hornezz posted... Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1357/ It's astounding how often the right to free speech is misunderstood. lets say I made a comic like xkcd then I drew the prophet Mohammed like Charlie Ebdo did the next day a group of Muslims beat me up is that simply consequences? they aren't trying to limit my freedom of speech? it is just consequences? I mean, they aren't the government then say other people also get beat up in similar circumstances now people are afraid to draw this People beating you up is not a violation of your first amendment rights, no. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:886482503] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hornezz posted...</cite> <quote>Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1357/ It's astounding how often the right to free speech is misunderstood.</quote> lets say I made a comic like xkcd then I drew the prophet Mohammed like Charlie Ebdo did the next day a group of Muslims beat me up is that simply consequences? they aren't trying to limit my freedom of speech? it is just consequences? I mean, they aren't the government then say other people also get beat up in similar circumstances now people are afraid to draw this</quote> People beating you up is not a violation of your first amendment rights, no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 5:22:47 PM #70:	remember this? https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/university-missouri-protesters-block-journalists-press-freedom.html?mcubz=0 video that showed University of Missouri protesters restricting a student photographer’s access to a public area of campus on Monday has ignited discussions about press freedom. Tim Tai, a student photographer on freelance assignment for ESPN, was trying to take photos of a small tent city that protesters had created on a campus quad. Concerned Student 1950, an activist group that formed to push for increased awareness and action around racial issues on campus, did not want reporters near the encampment. Protesters blocked Mr. Tai’s view and argued with him, eventually pushing him away. At one point, they chanted, “Hey hey, ho ho, reporters have got to go.” “I am documenting this for a national news organization,” Mr. Tai told the protesters, adding that “the First Amendment protects your right to be here and mine.” The protesters accused him of acting unethically and disregarding their requests for privacy. “What is so hard about respecting our wishes?” one protester asked. “Because I have a job to do,” Mr. Tai answered. That elicited a retort: “We don’t care about your job.” the government wasn't preventing Tai from his freedom of the press other private citizens were blocking him so was his freedom of speech restricted by them or was this just "consequences"? I mean, after all, only the government can infringe on your right to free speech\press right? So if you are in a public place and muscle is called to remove you...it is just consequences? --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886482582] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote>remember this? https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/university-missouri-protesters-block-journalists-press-freedom.html?mcubz=0 <quote> video that showed University of Missouri protesters restricting a student photographer’s access to a public area of campus on Monday has ignited discussions about press freedom. Tim Tai, a student photographer on freelance assignment for ESPN, was trying to take photos of a small tent city that protesters had created on a campus quad. Concerned Student 1950, an activist group that formed to push for increased awareness and action around racial issues on campus, did not want reporters near the encampment. Protesters blocked Mr. Tai’s view and argued with him, eventually pushing him away. At one point, they chanted, “Hey hey, ho ho, reporters have got to go.” “I am documenting this for a national news organization,” Mr. Tai told the protesters, adding that “the First Amendment protects your right to be here and mine.” The protesters accused him of acting unethically and disregarding their requests for privacy. “What is so hard about respecting our wishes?” one protester asked. “Because I have a job to do,” Mr. Tai answered. That elicited a retort: “We don’t care about your job.”</quote> the government wasn't preventing Tai from his freedom of the press other private citizens were blocking him so was his freedom of speech restricted by them or was this just "consequences"? I mean, after all, only the government can infringe on your right to free speech\press right? So if you are in a public place and muscle is called to remove you...it is just consequences?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 5:24:59 PM #71:	@Hornezz posted... People beating you up is not a violation of your first amendment rights, no. So is there no way a private citizen can infringe on your right? I mean, you just said people literally beating me up because of my speech isn't infringing it. So it seems you think it is impossible. Is that correct? Only the government can? --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886482694] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Hornezz posted...</cite> <quote> People beating you up is not a violation of your first amendment rights, no.</quote> So is there no way a private citizen can infringe on your right? I mean, you just said people literally beating me up because of my speech isn't infringing it. So it seems you think it is impossible. Is that correct? Only the government can?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 09/12/17 5:31:37 PM #72:	darkphoenix181 posted... @Hornezz posted... People beating you up is not a violation of your first amendment rights, no. So is there no way a private citizen can infringe on your right? I mean, you just said people literally beating me up because of my speech isn't infringing it. So it seems you think it is impossible. Is that correct? Only the government can? Correct! Glad to hear that this is cleared up. :) (Obviously assault is still illegal, but there are different laws to protect you from that) --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:886483064] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Hornezz posted...</cite> <quote> People beating you up is not a violation of your first amendment rights, no.</quote> So is there no way a private citizen can infringe on your right? I mean, you just said people literally beating me up because of my speech isn't infringing it. So it seems you think it is impossible. Is that correct? Only the government can?</quote> Correct! Glad to hear that this is cleared up. :) (Obviously assault is still illegal, but there are different laws to protect you from that)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 09/12/17 5:32:39 PM #73:	darkphoenix181 posted... remember this? https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/university-missouri-protesters-block-journalists-press-freedom.html?mcubz=0 video that showed University of Missouri protesters restricting a student photographer’s access to a public area of campus on Monday has ignited discussions about press freedom. Tim Tai, a student photographer on freelance assignment for ESPN, was trying to take photos of a small tent city that protesters had created on a campus quad. Concerned Student 1950, an activist group that formed to push for increased awareness and action around racial issues on campus, did not want reporters near the encampment. Protesters blocked Mr. Tai’s view and argued with him, eventually pushing him away. At one point, they chanted, “Hey hey, ho ho, reporters have got to go.” “I am documenting this for a national news organization,” Mr. Tai told the protesters, adding that “the First Amendment protects your right to be here and mine.” The protesters accused him of acting unethically and disregarding their requests for privacy. “What is so hard about respecting our wishes?” one protester asked. “Because I have a job to do,” Mr. Tai answered. That elicited a retort: “We don’t care about your job.” the government wasn't preventing Tai from his freedom of the press other private citizens were blocking him so was his freedom of speech restricted because or was this just "consequences"? I mean, afterall, only the government can infringe on your right to free speech\press right? So if you are in a public place and muscle is called to remove you...it is just consequences? It looks like his "right to free speech" was clashing with their "right to privacy." Thing is, the reporter was free to write whatever he wanted about the demonstration and it's associated tent. They just couldn't take photographs. Until their relationship soured and the protesters waved him away he could've taken an interview and used an introductory paragraph to describe the scene and more than satisfied both his editor and the demands of the people he was reporting on. But instead it looks like he insisted on trying to take photographs of private citizens who specifically denied him access to their likeness. There's all kinds of precedent supporting the protesters here. Did anyone bat an eye at this incident then? And why is it relevant in this discussion now? --- https://i.imgtc.com/zyQ3oRW.jpg 15 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017 <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:886483121] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>remember this? https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/university-missouri-protesters-block-journalists-press-freedom.html?mcubz=0 <quote> video that showed University of Missouri protesters restricting a student photographer’s access to a public area of campus on Monday has ignited discussions about press freedom. Tim Tai, a student photographer on freelance assignment for ESPN, was trying to take photos of a small tent city that protesters had created on a campus quad. Concerned Student 1950, an activist group that formed to push for increased awareness and action around racial issues on campus, did not want reporters near the encampment. Protesters blocked Mr. Tai’s view and argued with him, eventually pushing him away. At one point, they chanted, “Hey hey, ho ho, reporters have got to go.” “I am documenting this for a national news organization,” Mr. Tai told the protesters, adding that “the First Amendment protects your right to be here and mine.” The protesters accused him of acting unethically and disregarding their requests for privacy. “What is so hard about respecting our wishes?” one protester asked. “Because I have a job to do,” Mr. Tai answered. That elicited a retort: “We don’t care about your job.”</quote> the government wasn't preventing Tai from his freedom of the press other private citizens were blocking him so was his freedom of speech restricted because or was this just "consequences"? I mean, afterall, only the government can infringe on your right to free speech\press right? So if you are in a public place and muscle is called to remove you...it is just consequences?</quote> It looks like his "right to free speech" was clashing with their "right to privacy." Thing is, the reporter was free to write whatever he wanted about the demonstration and it's associated tent. They just couldn't take photographs. Until their relationship soured and the protesters waved him away he could've taken an interview and used an introductory paragraph to describe the scene and more than satisfied both his editor and the demands of the people he was reporting on. But instead it looks like he insisted on trying to take photographs of private citizens who specifically denied him access to their likeness. There's all kinds of precedent supporting the protesters here. Did anyone bat an eye at this incident then? And why is it relevant in this discussion now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 5:46:52 PM #74:	hollow_shrine posted... It looks like his "right to free speech" was clashing with their "right to privacy." Thing is, the reporter was free to write whatever he wanted about the demonstration and it's associated tent. They just couldn't take photographs. Until their relationship soured and the protesters waved him away he could've taken an interview and used an introductory paragraph to describe the scene and more than satisfied both his editor and the demands of the people he was reporting on. But instead it looks like he insisted on trying to take photographs of private citizens who specifically denied him access to their likeness. There's all kinds of precedent supporting the protesters here. Did anyone bat an eye at this incident then? And why is it relevant in this discussion now? They have no right to privacy on a public place do they? The university didn't give them a private space, they took it by force of protest. As such, this was not a private property saying "you cannot be here" but an open public space where people without authority decided "this is our space" and used force to enforce it. There is no specific law about photographing people or publishing the images; some of the issues are very vaguely regulated. Taking a picture of a person in a public space does not require consent https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people#The_right_of_privacy It is relevant because it shows the contrast of rights. The man has the right to be there and take photos. But other people who are not part of the government are using force to censor him. And like your gut reaction was to defend them, so it is the gut reaction to defend other contrasts of rights where illegal force is used to enforce censorship all in the name of "consequences". --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886483862] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote> It looks like his "right to free speech" was clashing with their "right to privacy." Thing is, the reporter was free to write whatever he wanted about the demonstration and it's associated tent. They just couldn't take photographs. Until their relationship soured and the protesters waved him away he could've taken an interview and used an introductory paragraph to describe the scene and more than satisfied both his editor and the demands of the people he was reporting on. But instead it looks like he insisted on trying to take photographs of private citizens who specifically denied him access to their likeness. There's all kinds of precedent supporting the protesters here. Did anyone bat an eye at this incident then? And why is it relevant in this discussion now?</quote> They have no right to privacy on a public place do they? The university didn't give them a private space, they took it by force of protest. As such, this was not a private property saying "you cannot be here" but an open public space where people without authority decided "this is our space" and used force to enforce it. <quote>There is no specific law about photographing people or publishing the images; some of the issues are very vaguely regulated. Taking a picture of a person in a public space does not require consent</quote> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people#The_right_of_privacy It is relevant because it shows the contrast of rights. The man has the right to be there and take photos. But other people who are not part of the government are using force to censor him. And like your gut reaction was to defend them, so it is the gut reaction to defend other contrasts of rights where illegal force is used to enforce censorship all in the name of "consequences".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 6:06:28 PM #75:	Now, that said, consequences as getting fired, boycotted, talked about are perfectly legal and fine. But it is disingenuous to act like you are free to say something that has an expectation of violence if said aloud which I believe the n word does carry with it in most circumstances (unless you among good friends). If you say it and get assaulted, while the assault may be illegal, is it really unexpected? As stated before, some believe it is fighting words. What does that mean? It means violence is expected to come from that. So, you aren't really free to say it. boxington posted... is anyone restricted from using the n-word? that is, posts like these I have an issue with no one should say the n word, black people can if they want but I just think people shouldn't be like "nobody is restricting you from saying it!" of course they are http://nypost.com/video/man-opens-can-of-whoop-ass-after-being-called-the-n-word/ It probably shouldn't come as a surprise, but people don't enjoy hearing racial slurs used against them. One jerk in Chicago learned this obvious lesson the hard way in this shocking video. note the language, the person assaulting is justified was this really assault then? or self defense? --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886484904] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote>Now, that said, consequences as getting fired, boycotted, talked about are perfectly legal and fine. But it is disingenuous to act like you are free to say something that has an expectation of violence if said aloud which I believe the n word does carry with it in most circumstances (unless you among good friends). If you say it and get assaulted, while the assault may be illegal, is it really unexpected? As stated before, some believe it is fighting words. What does that mean? It means violence is expected to come from that. So, you aren't really free to say it. <cite>boxington posted...</cite> <quote>is anyone restricted from using the n-word?</quote> that is, posts like these I have an issue with no one should say the n word, black people can if they want but I just think people shouldn't be like "nobody is restricting you from saying it!" of course they are http://nypost.com/video/man-opens-can-of-whoop-ass-after-being-called-the-n-word/ <quote> It probably shouldn't come as a surprise, but people don't enjoy hearing racial slurs used against them. One jerk in Chicago learned this obvious lesson the hard way in this shocking video. </quote> note the language, the person assaulting is justified was this really assault then? or self defense?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 09/12/17 6:25:44 PM #76:	I mean, media often has a bias, and just because a journalist might downplay assault, for example, it doesn't mean that the law is somehow changed and I should have said "legally restricted" to avoid any confusion. --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:886485854] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote>I mean, media often has a bias, and just because a journalist might downplay assault, for example, it doesn't mean that the law is somehow changed and I should have said "legally restricted" to avoid any confusion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deadpool_18 09/12/17 6:30:02 PM #77:	There are times and situations in which that word isn't reacted to as harshly, but people that aren't socially aware seem to think that extends to average situations and average times. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. <cite>Deadpool_18 posted [p:886486054] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote>There are times and situations in which that word isn't reacted to as harshly, but people that aren't socially aware seem to think that extends to average situations and average times.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 6:35:10 PM #78:	Deadpool_18 posted... There are times and situations in which that word isn't reacted to as harshly, but people that aren't socially aware seem to think that extends to average situations and average times. are you trying to tell me that if irl if Jackie Chan said "what is up my n word" he wouldn't get in a fight like he did in the movie? --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886486286] in I feel the... [t:75767759]...</cite> <quote><cite>Deadpool_18 posted...</cite> <quote>There are times and situations in which that word isn't reacted to as harshly, but people that aren't socially aware seem to think that extends to average situations and average times.</quote> are you trying to tell me that if irl if Jackie Chan said "what is up my n word" he wouldn't get in a fight like he did in the movie?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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