Current Events > Rick and Morty was amazing last night

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Yeah, from what I understand the "central finite curve" is where they're all from. I imagine as you get further away from that things become significantly different, and further than that the laws of physics start working radically differently.
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bidas100 posted...

teepan95 posted...

Although; based on previous episodes this season, I thought Morty C-137 was going to end up becoming Evil Morty.

How could that happen?

Morty took a trip with the Legends. Or maybe Flashpoint screwed up more than expected.

darkphoenix181 posted...

I bet you that Evil Morty is the Morty from the Universe where Rick is kinda dumb

remember dumb Rick who got along with Jerry?

that is probably where Evil Morty is from

My money's on the Rick from the Morty school: "Tall Morty"
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This was the episode I was waiting for all season, I'm hyped.
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Nundulan posted...

This was the episode I was waiting for all season, I'm hyped.

How? AS kept a rather tight lip on this episode that there wasn't really much known about it.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Nundulan posted...

This was the episode I was waiting for all season, I'm hyped.

How? AS kept a rather tight lip on this episode that there wasn't really much known about it.

He's likely referring to Evil Morty. Though they did slip up on the name of the episode. It was previously called Tales from the Citadel and a lot of schedules on TV listed it as such. Combined with that, the sarcastic tagline, and the skimpy episode preview, a lot of fans suspected it involved the Citadel.
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as a guy who's really never known any of the references used in Rick and Morty - the show stands incredibly great on its own. its been a good ride as a guy who recently got into this and binged to catch up
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Tmaster148 posted...

Nundulan posted...

This was the episode I was waiting for all season, I'm hyped.

How? AS kept a rather tight lip on this episode that there wasn't really much known about it.

?
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I think they showed evil morty rick
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I doubt evil rick is important. Things mattering and there being patterns goes against the nihilism of the show

Evil mortys rick was probably no one special and died randomly
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Evil Morty's original Rick is...

...C-137. Yes, our Rick. In episode 1, Rick shows up after being away from Beth for a long time. This would be a perfect opportunity for a different dimensional Rick to slip in and take over the family without them aware. Why would he need to do that? Because he fucked up his original Morty, who he probably left to die along with his original family (and unbeknowingst to him, he survived hence the robot parts he has in Season 1).

But that would involve taking out current Morty's Rick. For whatever reason, he probably thought it was best to keep current Morty's Rick alive, because current Morty's true Rick is the evil Rick that died in Season 1, who originally took on the citadel. That Rick, wanting to get his universe's family back after seeing C-137 take it over, probably found a dying Morty on the dimension C-137 left behind and turned him into an android or something, because reasons. Perhaps he knew he wasn't going to live much longer, so his secret weapon was a Morty no single Rick would suspect that would live on after his inevitable death, probably with the AI that nearly replicates his own intelligence.

Oh, and the whole "I finally have taken over the family patriarch!" thing C-137 gets so excited about in S3E1 is probably a dead giveaway that with the citadel destroyed and the galactic federation gone, he has succeeded in sabotaging everybody in his way that would prevent him from going back mentally to the pre-Evil Morty days where he can finally live and bury the fact that he fucked up in the first place.

My take on it anyway.

Cool theory
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bidas100 posted...

teepan95 posted...

Although; based on previous episodes this season, I thought Morty C-137 was going to end up becoming Evil Morty.

How could that happen?

Basically, we know 100% for a fact that Rick C-137 and his current Morty are not from the same universe. In s1 ep10 Evil Rick scans Rick C-137's brain and it shows pictures of him interacting with a toddler version of Morty, but the Beth from the universe our main character Morty is from hadn't seen Rick in 20 years after he walked out on his family.

The implication is that Rick C-137 actually returned to his C-137 family much earlier in Morty's life, but something happened that caused him to bail on dimension C-137. This is further propped up when Rick and Morty drop Jerry off at the Jerry Day Care and Rick flat out doesn't know Jerry's home dimension. If the family was from C-137 then he would know that Jerry came from his own dimension.

That's all fact, we know all that for sure. It's never outright stated but all evidence shows that Rick C-137 took over for main character Morty's original Rick the same way Rick C-137 and main character Morty abandoned Morty's home universe in Rick Potion #9 and moved in on their current family.

The theory is that Morty C-137 is still out there and that over time he's become much smarter an more competent than every other Morty, and it turns out more competent than many Ricks. Evidence to support this is how much more competent main character Morty has come over time from his exposure to Rick C-137, much smarter and emotionally harder. Whether this is due to experimentation by Rick C-137 or just the results of their adventures is unknown. We KNOW Rick C-137 has done all sorts of crazy shit to main character Morty (like making it so that he can morph into a car), so there's no telling what experimentation he might have done to Morty C-137.

This is lampshaded in s1 ep10 when Rick C-137 outright tells main character Morty that a smart Morty is a danger to everyone, almost like he knows from experience
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Evil Morty's original Rick is...

...C-137. Yes, our Rick. In episode 1, Rick shows up after being away from Beth for a long time. This would be a perfect opportunity for a different dimensional Rick to slip in and take over the family without them aware. Why would he need to do that? Because he fucked up his original Morty, who he probably left to die along with his original family (and unbeknowingst to him, he survived hence the robot parts he has in Season 1).

But that would involve taking out current Morty's Rick. For whatever reason, he probably thought it was best to keep current Morty's Rick alive, because current Morty's true Rick is the evil Rick that died in Season 1, who originally took on the citadel. That Rick, wanting to get his universe's family back after seeing C-137 take it over, probably found a dying Morty on the dimension C-137 left behind and turned him into an android or something, because reasons. Perhaps he knew he wasn't going to live much longer, so his secret weapon was a Morty no single Rick would suspect that would live on after his inevitable death, probably with the AI that nearly replicates his own intelligence.

Oh, and the whole "I finally have taken over the family patriarch!" thing C-137 gets so excited about in S3E1 is probably a dead giveaway that with the citadel destroyed and the galactic federation gone, he has succeeded in sabotaging everybody in his way that would prevent him from going back mentally to the pre-Evil Morty days where he can finally live and bury the fact that he fucked up in the first place.

My take on it anyway.

The problem with this is that the Rick who took on the Citadel was just a robot, he wasn't a real person at all. We've no idea what happened to main character Morty's Rick, nothing has been said about him at all. Its a safe assumption he died, similar to how a Rick and Morty both died in Rick Potion #9, and Rick C-137 just stepped into his place
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fire_bolt posted...

The problem with this is that the Rick who took on the Citadel was just a robot, he wasn't a real person at all. We've no idea what happened to main character Morty's Rick, nothing has been said about him at all. Its a safe assumption he died, similar to how a Rick and Morty both died in Rick Potion #9, and Rick C-137 just stepped into his place

He obviously wasn't a robot.
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bidas100 posted...

fire_bolt posted...

The problem with this is that the Rick who took on the Citadel was just a robot, he wasn't a real person at all. We've no idea what happened to main character Morty's Rick, nothing has been said about him at all. Its a safe assumption he died, similar to how a Rick and Morty both died in Rick Potion #9, and Rick C-137 just stepped into his place

He obviously wasn't a robot.

Ok, regardless, it was clearly Evil Morty in control of the situation, not the other way around. Evil Morty had hardwired "Evil Rick" and was controlling him remotely.

https://youtu.be/g-9BfeqJFPE?t=17m39s

He may not have been an actual robot, but he wasn't a real Rick at that point either. I don't respect him.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

Rhylos posted...

There should be an infinite number of citadels, since you know, multiverse and all that. But in the show they really only reference the one citadel, and now this new one.

I guess this is just the point where my brain starts to rebel lol. I know it's a multiverse, but isn't it the Citadel's gimmick is that it's a congregation point for said multiverse versions of Rick and Morty? Like, it's "outside" the multiverse somehow, guessing Rick technology?

it wouldn't have enough space for infinite ricks though
literally infinite

But it could. Not all Ricks will join the council, like the Rick we mostly follow. There should be more that only ever go there when forced to. And then there are all those dead Ricks and or universes that never had a Rick.
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LightHawKnight posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

Rhylos posted...

There should be an infinite number of citadels, since you know, multiverse and all that. But in the show they really only reference the one citadel, and now this new one.

I guess this is just the point where my brain starts to rebel lol. I know it's a multiverse, but isn't it the Citadel's gimmick is that it's a congregation point for said multiverse versions of Rick and Morty? Like, it's "outside" the multiverse somehow, guessing Rick technology?

it wouldn't have enough space for infinite ricks though
literally infinite

But it could. Not all Ricks will join the council, like the Rick we mostly follow. There should be more that only ever go there when forced to. And then there are all those dead Ricks and or universes that never had a Rick.

It's specifically stated that its not "infinite Ricks". It's all the Ricks from the "central finite curve". The implication is that the finite curve exists around a baseline universe and the further you get from it dimensionally the less a universe is like the baseline universe. Get far enough away and strange things probably happen to the laws of physics and shit. Essentially the Citadel is for all Ricks whose universes have enough in common that they can exist together without much effort. For instance, there's probably a universe out there where all people are literally made of sentient fire but its far enough off the baseline of the central finite curve such a Rick would not be able to access the Citadel.

That said, its completely possible that once you get far enough away from the central finite curve there COULD be (and according to infinite worlds theory MUST be) additional Citadels uniting other Ricks whose universes are likewise compatible. Using the afore mentioned "Fire Rick", other Ricks from his Citadel could also include universes where everyone is made of fire, but just fires burning from different fuel sources. Basically an entire collection of universes where all people are fire, just different kinds of fire.

Multiverse theory is complicated >_>;
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LightHawKnight posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

Rhylos posted...

There should be an infinite number of citadels, since you know, multiverse and all that. But in the show they really only reference the one citadel, and now this new one.

I guess this is just the point where my brain starts to rebel lol. I know it's a multiverse, but isn't it the Citadel's gimmick is that it's a congregation point for said multiverse versions of Rick and Morty? Like, it's "outside" the multiverse somehow, guessing Rick technology?

it wouldn't have enough space for infinite ricks though
literally infinite

But it could. Not all Ricks will join the council, like the Rick we mostly follow. There should be more that only ever go there when forced to. And then there are all those dead Ricks and or universes that never had a Rick.

I get that the concept of infinity is hard to fathom for us, but it shouldn't be this hard.
There's an infinite number of Ricks, so...
There's an infinite number of Ricks who joined the Council.
There's an infinite number of Ricks who didn't join the Council.
There's an infinite number of Ricks who are dead.
That is literally how infinite multiverses operate. You can't just say "Oh but these 3467654 Ricks are dead, so what's left could fit on the Citadel", unless there's an infinite number of Citadels
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fusespliff posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

Rhylos posted...

There should be an infinite number of citadels, since you know, multiverse and all that. But in the show they really only reference the one citadel, and now this new one.

I guess this is just the point where my brain starts to rebel lol. I know it's a multiverse, but isn't it the Citadel's gimmick is that it's a congregation point for said multiverse versions of Rick and Morty? Like, it's "outside" the multiverse somehow, guessing Rick technology?

it wouldn't have enough space for infinite ricks though
literally infinite

But it could. Not all Ricks will join the council, like the Rick we mostly follow. There should be more that only ever go there when forced to. And then there are all those dead Ricks and or universes that never had a Rick.

I get that the concept of infinity is hard to fathom for us, but it shouldn't be this hard.
There's an infinite number of Ricks, so...
There's an infinite number of Ricks who joined the Council.
There's an infinite number of Ricks who didn't join the Council.
There's an infinite number of Ricks who are dead.
That is literally how infinite multiverses operate. You can't just say "Oh but these 3467654 Ricks are dead, so what's left could fit on the Citadel", unless there's an infinite number of Citadels

Read my last post, there's infinite Citadels each with a non-infinity number of Ricks on them
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fusespliff posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

Rhylos posted...

There should be an infinite number of citadels, since you know, multiverse and all that. But in the show they really only reference the one citadel, and now this new one.

I guess this is just the point where my brain starts to rebel lol. I know it's a multiverse, but isn't it the Citadel's gimmick is that it's a congregation point for said multiverse versions of Rick and Morty? Like, it's "outside" the multiverse somehow, guessing Rick technology?

it wouldn't have enough space for infinite ricks though
literally infinite

But it could. Not all Ricks will join the council, like the Rick we mostly follow. There should be more that only ever go there when forced to. And then there are all those dead Ricks and or universes that never had a Rick.

I get that the concept of infinity is hard to fathom for us, but it shouldn't be this hard.
There's an infinite number of Ricks, so...
There's an infinite number of Ricks who joined the Council.
There's an infinite number of Ricks who didn't join the Council.
There's an infinite number of Ricks who are dead.
That is literally how infinite multiverses operate. You can't just say "Oh but these 3467654 Ricks are dead, so what's left could fit on the Citadel", unless there's an infinite number of Citadels

There are an infinite number of citadels.
There are an infinite number of Ricks that are exactly the same as C-137's Rick. Unless the universes give off a unique signature, the naming convention is arbitrary and there are infinite C-137 Ricks.

EDIT: I just realized infinity and unique are contradictions. There are an infinite number of C-137 Ricks who have lived the same exact lives.
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bidas100 posted...

fusespliff posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

Rhylos posted...

There should be an infinite number of citadels, since you know, multiverse and all that. But in the show they really only reference the one citadel, and now this new one.

I guess this is just the point where my brain starts to rebel lol. I know it's a multiverse, but isn't it the Citadel's gimmick is that it's a congregation point for said multiverse versions of Rick and Morty? Like, it's "outside" the multiverse somehow, guessing Rick technology?

it wouldn't have enough space for infinite ricks though
literally infinite

But it could. Not all Ricks will join the council, like the Rick we mostly follow. There should be more that only ever go there when forced to. And then there are all those dead Ricks and or universes that never had a Rick.

I get that the concept of infinity is hard to fathom for us, but it shouldn't be this hard.
There's an infinite number of Ricks, so...
There's an infinite number of Ricks who joined the Council.
There's an infinite number of Ricks who didn't join the Council.
There's an infinite number of Ricks who are dead.
That is literally how infinite multiverses operate. You can't just say "Oh but these 3467654 Ricks are dead, so what's left could fit on the Citadel", unless there's an infinite number of Citadels

There are an infinite number of citadels.
There are an infinite number of Ricks that are exactly the same as C-137's Rick. Unless the universes give off a unique signature, the naming convention is arbitrary and there are infinite C-137 Ricks.

Or you know? An infinite number of Ricks don't exist, as well as an infinite number die, as well as infinite number of them refuse to join the council like the one we mostly follow.
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I edited my previous post.
LightHawKnight posted...

Or you know? An infinite number of Ricks don't exist, as well as an infinite number die, as well as infinite number of them refuse to join the council like the one we mostly follow.

Ok? Nothing you said contradicts anything I said.
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bidas100 posted...

I edited my previous post.
LightHawKnight posted...

Or you know? An infinite number of Ricks don't exist, as well as an infinite number die, as well as infinite number of them refuse to join the council like the one we mostly follow.

Ok? Nothing you said contradicts anything I said.

But it does. It can limit the number of ricks and mortys that will show up in one place.
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LightHawKnight posted...

bidas100 posted...

I edited my previous post.
LightHawKnight posted...

Or you know? An infinite number of Ricks don't exist, as well as an infinite number die, as well as infinite number of them refuse to join the council like the one we mostly follow.

Ok? Nothing you said contradicts anything I said.

But it does. It can limit the number of ricks and mortys that will show up in one place.

Do you understand what infinite means?
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