Current Events > The Warcraft universe is actually pretty depressing when you think about it

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There used to be life all over the universe. but now there is only like 1 planet left that hasn't been corrupted or destroyed by the Burning Legion. it's kinda fucked up, thinking of all that life lost. In a way, it's darker than Diablo. since Diablo is supposedly just one world under siege. as destructive as Diablo is, he is only responsible for a fraction of what the Burning Legion has killed

It's pretty depressing knowing we'll never have WarCraft 4

I mean even without that it's been pretty much in a state of constant war for decades now.
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DreadedWave posted...

I mean even without that it's been pretty much in a state of constant war for decades now.

even more if you count all the historical lore of the world. Azeroth has always known war since the dawn of time. even before humans and orcs existed

digital devil saga

everyone is turned into man eating monsters


and if they refuse to eat the hunger makes them kill anyone close to them at the time

so they have to go kill a stranger or risk losing control and eat someone they care about
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TheMarthKoopa posted...

It's pretty depressing knowing we'll never have WarCraft 4

This really.
WoW fucked the lore up so much, unsalvageable. Let's be honest though, since around SC2 Blizzard has had a shit writing team so it's probably for the best.
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TheMarthKoopa posted...

It's pretty depressing knowing we'll never have WarCraft 4

I have high hopes for BlizzCon this year.

I'm at the very least expecting remastered WC3 which I'll pay full price for as long as it includes everything the original did.

And I stopped following Warcraft after Arthas died. Is Sargeras or whoever the final big baddie of the Warcraft universe finally gonna be a raid boss?

If we kill him then can we finally get a WoW reboot without all the hand holding bullshit
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littlebro07 posted...

TheMarthKoopa posted...

It's pretty depressing knowing we'll never have WarCraft 4

I have high hopes for BlizzCon this year.

I'm at the very least expecting remastered WC3 which I'll pay full price for as long as it includes everything the original did.

And I stopped following Warcraft after Arthas died. Is Sargeras or whoever the final big baddie of the Warcraft universe finally gonna be a raid boss?

If we kill him then can we finally get a WoW reboot without all the hand holding bullshit

Yeah Arthas dying was pretty much when I lost interest, since the other stories were lame by comparison
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oh btw, regarding Warcraft 4.....I think it will happen someday. might still be a long ass time from now. but at some point, Blizzard is going to want to update WoW. you can only do so much without just starting over. and the game is like 15 years old now. I think the only reason WoW hasn't had a sequel yet is cause of just how damn popular it is. but it will have to come someday. and I think what will happen is they will make a final expansion that ends on some climactic battle probably against the Void Lords, and then they will make Warcraft 4. it will be set like 100 years later or something. and Warcraft 4 will set up for World of Warcraft 2

littlebro07 posted...

I'm at the very least expecting remastered WC3

If you're really expecting this, wow. I just can't.
Hell, the graphics still hold up well enough.

If we kill him then can we finally get a WoW reboot without all the hand holding bullshit

Won't happen. WoW constantly set the new norm. There's no going back for the general masses.
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littlebro07 posted...

And I stopped following Warcraft after Arthas died. Is Sargeras or whoever the final big baddie of the Warcraft universe finally gonna be a raid boss?

the current expansion is about fighting him and the Burning Legion directly. but there is still the Void Lords, who are the true threat. Sargeras was created by the Void Lords, in a way. so he is just one of their pawns even if he doesn't realize it

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

littlebro07 posted...

I'm at the very least expecting remastered WC3

If you're really expecting this, wow. I just can't.
Hell, the graphics still hold up well enough.

If we kill him then can we finally get a WoW reboot without all the hand holding bullshit

Won't happen. WoW constantly set the new norm. There's no going back for the general masses.

I mean, they did StarCraft

They'll probably do Diablo 2 Remastered next though
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I don't even know if Sargeras is going to appear in Legion what with being dead already and all.
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Zikten posted...

oh btw, regarding Warcraft 4.....I think it will happen someday. might still be a long ass time from now. but at some point, Blizzard is going to want to update WoW. you can only do so much without just starting over. and the game is like 15 years old now. I think the only reason WoW hasn't had a sequel yet is cause of just how damn popular it is. but it will have to come someday. and I think what will happen is they will make a final expansion that ends on some climactic battle probably against the Void Lords, and then they will make Warcraft 4. it will be set like 100 years later or something. and Warcraft 4 will set up for World of Warcraft 2

They have over 30 planned expansions.

Zikten posted...

littlebro07 posted...

And I stopped following Warcraft after Arthas died. Is Sargeras or whoever the final big baddie of the Warcraft universe finally gonna be a raid boss?

the current expansion is about fighting him and the Burning Legion directly. but there is still the Void Lords, who are the true threat. Sargeras was created by the Void Lords, in a way. so he is just one of their pawns even if he doesn't realize it

The fuck

I'd never even heard of them.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

If you're really expecting this, wow. I just can't.
Hell, the graphics still hold up well enough.

The only reason I am is because Blizzard had a job posting awhile back specifically mentioning Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2 and used very similar wording to the job posting they did before the Starcraft remaster was made.

I agree that WC3 still holds up really well. It's got one of those timeless art styles. But a remaster might rejuvenate the community some.
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We don't know that there aren't other worlds with life on it, we just know that the Legion has wiped out a crap ton of them.
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Didn't they already talk about a WC3 remastered? I think I saw some updates hero models in the SC2 engine a while back.
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littlebro07 posted...

The fuck

I'd never even heard of them.

They're the Old Gods.
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DreadedWave posted...

littlebro07 posted...

The fuck

I'd never even heard of them.

They're the Old Gods.

Oh. Did they just recently get a new name or something? Also, didn't we already kill a bunch of them?

I remember they always fascinated the shit out of me. Just knowing that these evil beings of immense power were buried deep under the ground I killed boars on was awesome.
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littlebro07 posted...

The fuck

I'd never even heard of them.

they are the original threat to the universe. And what drove Sargeras crazy. he wasn't always a demon. he was a god or angel or whatever you want to call it. But he discovered the Void Lords and freaked out and decided the only way to save the universe from their corruption was to kill everyone before they could be corrupted. I think he eventually plans to start over with a new universe. but that is hardly comforting to all his victims. the Void Lords are kinda like these pure negative energy beings from another dimension who peek into ours and corrupt it

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

TheMarthKoopa posted...

It's pretty depressing knowing we'll never have WarCraft 4

This really.
WoW fucked the lore up so much, unsalvageable. Let's be honest though, since around SC2 Blizzard has had a shit writing team so it's probably for the best.

This don't let them touch Warcraft lore please
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Well, eww if they do. Definitely cash grab territory then. But I suppose I'm probably wrong.

My ultimate fantasy for them (other than an SC mmo based on massive pvp) would be a re-balancing and scaling of WoW. Too much power creep, reel it back a ton.
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littlebro07 posted...

I remember they always fascinated the s*** out of me. Just knowing that these evil beings of immense power were buried deep under the ground I killed boars on was awesome.

The old gods were apparently baby void lords. So unless they give us some godlike abilities then I don't see how we can take them
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the old gods aren't void lords, they are minions of them. the void lords sent the old gods into the physical universe to land on different planets and corrupt them. Azeroth got fucked hard with several of them landing. a void lord has never been fought and i don't think has actually physically been in the physical universe. I am not sure if they even can. they are gods in the truest sense. beings that existed since the beginning of existence. maybe even before the physical universe . think of the Old Gods as like their prophets

and they hate and want to destroy The Light

Is there a quick and dirty explanation for how starcraft and warcraft meet and the main points of lore behind them? Never played any of them, but I love lore

Zikten posted...

littlebro07 posted...

The fuck

I'd never even heard of them.

they are the original threat to the universe. And what drove Sargeras crazy. he wasn't always a demon. he was a god or angel or whatever you want to call it. But he discovered the Void Lords and freaked out and decided the only way to save the universe from their corruption was to kill everyone before they could be corrupted. I think he eventually plans to start over with a new universe. but that is hardly comforting to all his victims. the Void Lords are kinda like these pure negative energy beings from another dimension who peek into ours and corrupt it

sargaras was a titan, and other than that you're spot on with everything
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KarmaMuffin posted...

Is there a quick and dirty explanation for how starcraft and warcraft meet and the main points of lore behind them? Never played any of them, but I love lore

different universes. Warcraft is about mortal races banding together to make a final stand against evil gods trying to wipe out all life. Starcraft is about the skirmishes of 3 species fighting over living space in a section of the galaxy. I admit I know less about starcraft. the most interesting thing I can tell you about it is that in the manual for the original game, it said that some ancient species seeded life and created the humans, Zerg and Protoss, the three playable races in the game. but I don't think that makes any impact on the games themselves. it's just a bit of lore hidden in the manual that is never even mentioned in the games

KarmaMuffin posted...

Is there a quick and dirty explanation for how starcraft and warcraft meet and the main points of lore behind them? Never played any of them, but I love lore

They don't. It's two different universes.
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Zikten posted...

it said that some ancient species seeded life and created the humans, Zerg and Protoss, the three playable races in the game.

The xel naga didn't make the humans. The zerg wiped them out
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CEs_EFG posted...

The xel naga didn't make the humans. The zerg wiped them out

are you sure? cause I remember something about a seeding race of ancient godlike aliens who went around creating life. I used to read the blizzard manuals cover to cover back in the day

maybe it was different race, above the xel naga.

Zikten posted...

are you sure? cause I remember something about a seeding race of ancient godlike aliens who went around creating life. I used to read the blizzard manuals cover to cover back in the day

I think Humans mostly developed on their own, Protoss were the first and Zerg were the second and the Zerg just killed them all soooo
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It honestly is. Just fighting the same demons over and over and over. I mean, I guess that will stop if they can do something special on Argus or whatever, but then what? Go back to fighting old gods and void lord Jaina?

I mean, it's pretty bad when peace time = getting back to fighting among yourselves with the whole alliance horde nonsense.
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TheMarthKoopa posted...

It's pretty depressing knowing we'll never have WarCraft 4

marc55 posted...

digital devil saga

but Argilla is hot as fuck so that compensates
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TheMarthKoopa posted...

It's pretty depressing knowing we'll never have WarCraft 4

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do_ob_tpkillr posted...

TheMarthKoopa posted...

It's pretty depressing knowing we'll never have WarCraft 4

WalkingLobsters posted...

TheMarthKoopa posted...

It's pretty depressing knowing we'll never have WarCraft 4

You think you want that, but you actually don't. Just play HotS instead. Kappa
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Any world which includes a Cthulhu callback is going to be a nihilistic pit.

As it should be. A peaceful universe is a boring one.
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tbh i want them to make WoW2 more than anything. WoW engine is old as hell
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Obligatory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6usCiZvddU

;_;7
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Zikten posted...

CEs_EFG posted...

The xel naga didn't make the humans. The zerg wiped them out

are you sure? cause I remember something about a seeding race of ancient godlike aliens who went around creating life. I used to read the blizzard manuals cover to cover back in the day

maybe it was different race, above the xel naga.

The Xel Naga only created Protoss and Zerg. Humans are totally different.

Zikten posted...

the old gods aren't void lords

This.

Old Gods = Eye of C'thun from AQ40 back in Vanilla.

Void Lords are totally separate thing.
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Wait.. I know the Void Lords hurled corruption out, corrupting a bunch of world souls, but I didn't think they'd destroyed ALL other world souls except for Azeroth and Argus?

I'll have to look at the lore again. but I thought it said somewhere that Azeroth was the final stand and that every other world had fallen

Zikten posted...

I'll have to look at the lore again. but I thought it said somewhere that Azeroth was the final stand and that every other world had fallen

I haven't read the book, so my understanding was going off in game statements and WoWwiki...

Though I do agree the setting got a bit more depressing, since from the description thus far, you can never "win" against the void lords, just hope to keep them contained. (A bit similar to the "chaos" in the Warhammer Fantasy world)

Zikten posted...

I'll have to look at the lore again. but I thought it said somewhere that Azeroth was the final stand and that every other world had fallen

Azeroth is a final stand because it's the most powerful one so if the void lords corrupt it it's game over for everyone else.
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