Current Events > It shouldn't be called "white privilege"

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The big issue is that the vast majority of people agree on the substance of white privilege, but refuse to acknowledge it nominally. This is the issue with being intentionally provocative. Yes, you may garner more attention, but you lose the support of people you would have otherwise had. Attention/exposure is not more important than support. This is the big issue with people on the "SJW" end of things, they tend to prioritize exposure over truthiness, which just undermines the very valid point underlying what you are talking about.
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Howl posted...

The entire point is that being white offers no actual advantage.

And this has been proven false time and time again.
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Antifar posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

not sure who coined the term. I assume it was something that happened on a campus.

It's original use was a bit different from how it is used today
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

In his work, Allen maintained several points: that the "white race" was invented as a ruling class social control formation in the late seventeenth and early eighteenth century Anglo-American plantation colonies (principally Virginia and Maryland); that central to this process was the ruling-class plantation bourgeoisie conferring "white race" privileges on European-American working people; that these privileges were not only against the interests of African-Americans, they were also "poison," "ruinous," a baited hook, to the class interests of working people; that white supremacy, reinforced by the "white skin privilege," has been as the main retardant of working-class consciousness in the US; and that struggle for radical social change should direct principal efforts at challenging white supremacy and "white skin privileges".

pretty naive way to read racial history imho
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COVxy posted...

This is the issue with being intentionally provocative. Yes, you may garner more attention, but you lose the support of people you would have otherwise had.

Yes. I can agree with this.
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Howl posted...

The entire point is that being white offers no actual advantage. Being a minority in certain circumstances can be disadvantgeous, but being white will never prove to be an inherent advantage especially for the vast vast majority of people.

I don't understand how people can think this way. Is it not immediately obvious that tons of things which minorities can be disadvantaged by necessitates white people being advantaged? If someone doesn't want to hire black people, and I'm white, my chances of getting hired go up even if the boss has no particular inclination to think of me one way or another. At the very least I have a comparative advantage -- and what other kind of advantage would we even be talking about here? There's no such thing as an absolute societal advantage, part of it being societal means you're indexed against your peers
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Balrog0 posted...

There's no such thing as an absolute societal advantage, part of it being societal means you're indexed against your peers

This is the point. It's not real because it literally doesn't affect everyone. The homeless man on the side of the road has zero "white privilege".

Some people in certain situations can be at a neutral position by being white at best. But even that doesn't affect every white person.
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That_Happened posted...

COVxy posted...

This is the issue with being intentionally provocative. Yes, you may garner more attention, but you lose the support of people you would have otherwise had.

Yes. I can agree with this.

And that's all I've been saying. Maybe just not as succinctly as COVxy. You can scream till your blue in face that white people are privileged, but if no one listens, and you get no support, what's the point. It's time to change tactics to progress.
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thanosibe posted...

That_Happened posted...

COVxy posted...

This is the issue with being intentionally provocative. Yes, you may garner more attention, but you lose the support of people you would have otherwise had.

Yes. I can agree with this.

And that's all I've been saying. Maybe just not as succinctly as COVxy. You can scream till your blue in face that white people are privileged, but if no one listens, and you get no support, what's the point. It's time to change tactics to progress.

You know what sjws response is to that? Why should we listen to white people about how to proceed in dealing with the discrimination caused by white people?
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My resume just says "Im white" and i get whatever job i want at whatever pay i want.
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Howl posted...

The homeless man on the side of the road has zero "white privilege".

yes they do. trust me, I've been that homeless person.

Howl posted...

Some people in certain situations can be at a neutral position by being white at best. But even that doesn't affect every white person.

this is just redefining what's normal as what's normal for white people, though.
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I just steal whatever and walk out store doors with no problem. They just assume i bought it and let me go.
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thanosibe posted...

And that's all I've been saying. Maybe just not as succinctly as COVxy. You can scream till your blue in face that white people are privileged, but if no one listens, and you get no support, what's the point. It's time to change tactics to progress.

Funny enough, I just come on CE to talk about whatever I want however I want without considering the strategic societal implications of what my words might mean.

To think that accepting white privilege is real means that one goes on "screaming" about it all the time is just stupid.

If you bring it up, I'll talk about how true it is.

Otherwise obviously you focus on concrete problems that can be solved incrementally rather than broad and sweeping realities that are harder to combat. That's actually true regardless of whether white privilege is real.
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Balrog0 posted...

yes they do. trust me, I've been that homeless person.

Lol OK I'll take your word for it then. Your white privilege was an advantage when you were homeless. Lmfao
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White privilege prevents me from ever being homeless. Society wont allow it.
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Howl posted...

Lol OK I'll take your word for it then. Your white privilege was an advantage when you were homeless. Lmfao

yeah, it really was

like, in the sense that there were real material gains to it. everyone knows cops don't mess with white people, it makes being a poor white person pretty lucrative in the criminal realm

I don't really want to harp on that because it's anecdotal and all but yeah if you're gonna pretend to know what kinda privileges there are associated with being white while you're homeless then I'm gonna talk about it since I've actually been white and homeless. How about you?
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Howl posted...

You know what sjws response is to that?

You had been providing good feedback to the topic up until this point. Talk to the people who are actually here having a discussion with you, not to fictional people you make up in your mind.

VandorLee posted...

My resume just says "Im white" and i get whatever job i want at whatever pay i want.

VandorLee posted...

I just steal whatever and walk out store doors with no problem. They just assume i bought it and let me go.

Meanwhile, you have never made a good post.
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Balrog0 posted...

Howl posted...

Lol OK I'll take your word for it then. Your white privilege was an advantage when you were homeless. Lmfao

yeah, it really was

like, in the sense that there were real material gains to it. everyone knows cops don't mess with white people, it makes being a poor white person pretty lucrative in the criminal realm

I didn't realize that. Wow.
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That_Happened posted...

Howl posted...

You know what sjws response is to that?

You had been providing good feedback to the topic up until this point. Talk to the people who are actually here having a discussion with you, not to fictional people you make up in your mind.

VandorLee posted...

My resume just says "Im white" and i get whatever job i want at whatever pay i want.

VandorLee posted...

I just steal whatever and walk out store doors with no problem. They just assume i bought it and let me go.

Meanwhile, you have never made a good post.

Im privileged so i can shitpost all day. When people ask me what my fucking problem is i just tell them "Im white, i have no problems."
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Howl posted...

thanosibe posted...

That_Happened posted...

COVxy posted...

This is the issue with being intentionally provocative. Yes, you may garner more attention, but you lose the support of people you would have otherwise had.

Yes. I can agree with this.

And that's all I've been saying. Maybe just not as succinctly as COVxy. You can scream till your blue in face that white people are privileged, but if no one listens, and you get no support, what's the point. It's time to change tactics to progress.

You know what sjws response is to that? Why should we listen to white people about how to proceed in dealing with the discrimination caused by white people?

Well if you want the support of the majority you have to talk to them. You can't go to a car mechanic and just expect him to get right to the problem if you don't talk to him. I'd wager most white people would be more inclined to be understanding and supportive if privilege wasn't the first thing thrown in their faces. Now whether you think being "nice" to white people despite past transgressions is a necessarily evil or a natural move to progress I can't help you.
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thanosibe posted...

I'd wager most white people would be more inclined to be understanding and supportive if privilege wasn't the first thing thrown in their faces. Now whether you think being "nice" to white people despite past transgressions is a necessarily evil or a natural move to progress I can't help you.

"White privilege" as a buzzword is a pretty recent thing. "Black people always play the race card" and "Minorities get all the unfair advantages" have been around much longer than that. I don't think it matters if people are being nice about it or not. But I agree with you that you probably can't get the support of the majority of the country while antagonizing them.
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Balrog0 posted...

thanosibe posted...

And that's all I've been saying. Maybe just not as succinctly as COVxy. You can scream till your blue in face that white people are privileged, but if no one listens, and you get no support, what's the point. It's time to change tactics to progress.

Funny enough, I just come on CE to talk about whatever I want however I want without considering the strategic societal implications of what my words might mean.

To think that accepting white privilege is real means that one goes on "screaming" about it all the time is just stupid.

If you bring it up, I'll talk about how true it is.

Otherwise obviously you focus on concrete problems that can be solved incrementally rather than broad and sweeping realities that are harder to combat. That's actually true regardless of whether white privilege is real.

In the sense of screaming, sorry if it was taken insultingly, I should have toned the word down, I mean if all you can do is just go around and tell people about their privileged in way that is going to confrontational you are going to find you'll get less people listening to you. It's a fact of human behavior. Maybe some will look past that confrontational attitude and be like "maybe he's right", but that's not going to be a vast majority of it.

I have no problem discussion this or other issues either. And only add what I do to try and give a perspective that others might see. Just like others can give to me.
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White privilege is real
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That_Happened posted...

thanosibe posted...

I'd wager most white people would be more inclined to be understanding and supportive if privilege wasn't the first thing thrown in their faces. Now whether you think being "nice" to white people despite past transgressions is a necessarily evil or a natural move to progress I can't help you.

"White privilege" as a buzzword is a pretty recent thing. "Black people always play the race card" and "Minorities get all the unfair advantages" have been around much longer than that. I don't think it matters if people are being nice about it or not. But I agree with you that you probably can't get the support of the majority of the country while antagonizing them.

I'm not saying I have the answers and that being nice is going to solve issues. But being confrontational all the time isn't really going to get you anywhere either. Both sides have to work at this too. It's not just all on white people or all on black people. It's a national effort, if we want to get along. But like Lennon, I guess I'm just a dreamer.
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It should be called "Minority copout"
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