Current Events > Why do conservatives sterotypically hate gays?

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I mean being a conservative should mean you are pro small government, pro businsess and free market enterprise, pro minimum interference in people's lives. Pro civil liberty and freedoms. But then there's also all this baggage where you're supposed to also be anti-homosexual and anti-drug and anti immigration and pro religion (Even though Jesus was a super hyper liberal hippie)

I don't get how those things connect. Imagine if basketball players sterotypically hated dogs. It would be seen as really weird and unrelated.

Where is the connection between small government/pro enterprise and anti gays? If anything shouldn't the small government people be pro homoexuality and the the big government people be pro interference?

On paper anyway
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Maybe the old conservatives do. Generally speaking I would say that most young conservatives don't. Maybe not even most conservatives in general.
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Nomadic View posted...

Maybe the old conservatives do. Generally speaking I would say that most young conservatives don't. Maybe not even most conservatives in general.

Okay but even then whats the connection for older conservatives?

Its not sterotypically true of older liberals.
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Because it helps with the religious vote. And somehow Christianity became entangled with the republican party.
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I'd say religion is by far the predominant factor. They grew up in an era where most gay people hid it, so the older generations weren't exposed to it.
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The old conservatives were largely traditionalist when it comes to religion and many of those religions are staunchly anti-homosexuality.

Religion focuses on things in the past (if you believe in it).... Conservatives like conserving the present or traditional expectatons. Religion is traditional.

Pair that with Leviticus and you have a connection.
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Because gay sex is icky
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Conservatives enjoy voting against their own interests. That's why they voted in Trump.
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It's more religions reinforcing stigmas against homosexuality. Most conservatives just happen to be religious.


And it's not just homophobic Christianity promoting bigotry.

No no, Islam...we're not forgetting what an asshole you are to gays too.
We know that you're also conservative in that sense...
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Religion is the main factor. And since Roe v Wade the most traditionally religious have been pretty firm Republican voters. Which means Republican representatives have reason to keep those stances even if they aren't as traditionally religious as their base. Factor in how entrenched parties have become and you'll have even non-religious Republicans be anti-gay because the party is and that is what they grew up with.
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Because of GAWD and because they are very attached to rigid gender roles, and they see heterosexuality as an integral part of being a man or a woman.
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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

I mean being a conservative should mean you are pro small government, pro businsess and free market enterprise, pro minimum interference in people's lives.

This is is more accurately described as libertarianism. Everywhere else in the world but America, conservatives never talk like this. In America they occasionally pay lip service to these points because they've entered into a governing coalition with libertarians (who provide most of their intellectual reasoning) in order to obtain power. One that is increasingly being picked away at. This is why the conversation on the right has often become about how much they hate liberals, and not their own principles. It is a way of rallying together an increasingly fragile and contradictory coalition.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

I mean being a conservative should mean you are pro small government, pro businsess and free market enterprise, pro minimum interference in people's lives. Pro civil liberty and freedoms.

That would be a libertarian.

Conservatives are "personal freedoms that benefit me + authority in other people's lives when righteous".

This also describes American liberals, actually. The Republicans' and Democrats' social views have this sort of yin-yang thing going on with where they want authority and where they want freedom.

(Probably not the proper use of a yin-yang analogy but I was envisioning the symbol in which there is a dot of the opposite color within each side).
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Nomadic View posted...

Maybe the old conservatives do. Generally speaking I would say that most young conservatives don't. Maybe not even most conservatives in general.

*bomb diffused*
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I think the part that dislikes it the most are the Religious Right, which are a sect of conservatives.

Like if you look at the NeoCons, or other types of conservatives, i don't think they care too much unless they need to pander to the religious right.

weapon_d00d816 posted...

This also describes American liberals, actually. The Republicans' and Democrats' social views have this sort of yin-yang thing going on with where they want authority and where they want freedom.

The operatives of both parties don't have what could accurately be described as liberals Neither the Republican Party or the Democratic Party have a hint of liberalism, and the only really care about power. The only part of the Democratic Party that I would even remotely describe as liberal is Bernie Sanders and his justice democrats, and he was predictably destroyed by the conservatives that pull the levers.

conservative here. me and my parents both voted for gay marriage here in washington state, and hypocritical liberals like you who have no problem stereotyping and belittling anyone on the right have made our lives hell.
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As a conservative idc about gay people.

Not for them, not against them. Many older conservatives take Christian scripture seriously and that would be my guess as to why their anti-gay.
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wah_wah_wah posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

This also describes American liberals, actually. The Republicans' and Democrats' social views have this sort of yin-yang thing going on with where they want authority and where they want freedom.

The operatives of both parties don't have what could accurately be described as liberals Neither the Republican Party or the Democratic Party have a hint of liberalism, and the only really care about power. The only part of the Democratic Party that I would even remotely describe as liberal is Bernie Sanders and his justice democrats, and he was predictably destroyed by the conservatives that pull the levers.

I was thinking more along the lines of Democrat voters than Democrat politicians. There's definitely a difference, which is one of the biggest issues in American politics IMO.
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Seneca_Wallace_ posted...

conservative here. me and my parents both voted for gay marriage here in washington state, and hypocritical liberals like you who have no problem stereotyping and belittling anyone on the right have made our lives hell.

Lol
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

This also describes American liberals, actually. The Republicans' and Democrats' social views have this sort of yin-yang thing going on with where they want authority and where they want freedom.

The operatives of both parties don't have what could accurately be described as liberals Neither the Republican Party or the Democratic Party have a hint of liberalism, and the only really care about power. The only part of the Democratic Party that I would even remotely describe as liberal is Bernie Sanders and his justice democrats, and he was predictably destroyed by the conservatives that pull the levers.

I was thinking more along the lines of Democrat voters than Democrat politicians. There's definitely a difference, which is one of the biggest issues in American politics IMO.

The operates and the politicians are conservative because the voters themselves are pretty conservative. Particularly partisan Democrat voters. Liberals will vote for Democrats only as the worst of two evils if they vote for them at all. They may look different than the conservative voters of the Republican Party, but that's only because different backgrounds are going to give you a different set of priorities to defend. A black conservative isn't going to want the same as a white conservative.

AlisLandale posted...

Because it helps with the religious vote. And somehow Christianity became entangled with the republican party.

The Southern Strategy

Actually everyone should just Google that. These are the results of calculated overtures to co-opt southern Democrats into southern Republicans in the wake of the Civil Rights Act.
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Depends on whether you are talking about a social (traditional conservative) or an economic conservative.

For a social conservative their views are likely to be focused around a religious faith, community structure and the prevalence of a traditional family unit. In those cases any variation in sexuality or identity is going to run counter to that. They are likely to have a strictly defined cultural ingroup and gays are going to be outside of that group.

For an economic conservative - their focus is going to be on money. They may regard the social aspects as important, but their priority is going to be in regards to money and the systems related to it; taxation, welfare, preferential treatment. They're less likely to care about sexuality - unless it affects what they have to pay or what they receive.
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