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Antifar 09/07/17 3:56:35 PM #1:	http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/texas-chemical-plant-sued-millions-first-responders-charge-gross-negligence Seven first responders filed a lawsuit Thursday against a chemical company whose Houston-area facility exploded after Hurricane Harvey. The lawsuit against Arkema and three of the company’s executives is seeking over $1 million in monetary relief, and alleges that the company did not adequately warn law enforcement and public health agencies about hazardous materials at the chemical plant. Those allegations come after Arkema and its lobbying group, the American Chemistry Council, lobbied to kill a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants. The rule would have taken effect in March. The EPA’s rule, which included a series of other safety provisions, was ultimately delayed to February 2019 by the Trump administration, with the support of top Texas Republican lawmakers — many of whom received large campaign donations from the chemical industry. The suit filed in Harris County court asserts that after explosions at the Arkema’s Crosby plant emitted a cloud of gas, company officials “repeatedly denied that the chemicals were toxic or harmful in any manner to the people, and first responders, in the community.” Yet, the complaint says the fumes sickened the first responders, and charges Arkema with “gross negligence” and “malice.” “Immediately upon being exposed to the fumes from the explosion, and one by one, the police officers and first responders began to fall ill in the middle of the road,” says the lawsuit, which was filed by members of local agencies including law enforcement and the fire department. “Calls for medics were made, but still no one from Arkema warned of the toxic fumes in the air. Emergency medical personnel arrived on scene, and even before exiting their vehicle, they became overcome by the fumes as well. The scene was nothing less than chaos. Police officers were doubled over vomiting, unable to breathe. Medical personnel, in their attempts to provide assistance to the officers, became overwhelmed and they too began to vomit and gasp for air.” Arkema did not respond immediately respond to International Business Times’ request for comment. The American Chemistry Council, which counts Arkema as a member, said in a statement to IBT that “industry had significant concerns with many of the modifications because it was not clear that they would improve the safety and security of chemical facilities or neighboring communities.” The first responders’ complaint concludes that the company did not properly store its chemicals, did not “have adequate procedures in place to protect the safety and welfare of the community in the event of a catastrophe” and failed “to provide the public and first responders accurate information on the chemicals at risk of exploding.” The allegations about information are particularly relevant to Arkema and its lobbying group’s successful effort to kill the EPA’s chemical plant safety rule, just months before the disaster in Texas. Under that rule, which was originally proposed by the Obama administration in 2013 in response to a deadly explosion at a West, Texas, fertilizer plant, owners of chemical plants would have had to increase coordination with local first responders. In particular, the rule stated companies would have to ensure that “local response organizations are aware of the regulated substances” at plants covered by EPA rules once a year. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:886198282] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote>http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/texas-chemical-plant-sued-millions-first-responders-charge-gross-negligence <quote>Seven first responders filed a lawsuit Thursday against a chemical company whose Houston-area facility exploded after Hurricane Harvey. The lawsuit against Arkema and three of the company’s executives is seeking over $1 million in monetary relief, and alleges that the company did not adequately warn law enforcement and public health agencies about hazardous materials at the chemical plant. Those allegations come after Arkema and its lobbying group, the American Chemistry Council, lobbied to kill a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants. The rule would have taken effect in March. The EPA’s rule, which included a series of other safety provisions, was ultimately delayed to February 2019 by the Trump administration, with the support of top Texas Republican lawmakers — many of whom received large campaign donations from the chemical industry. The suit filed in Harris County court asserts that after explosions at the Arkema’s Crosby plant emitted a cloud of gas, company officials “repeatedly denied that the chemicals were toxic or harmful in any manner to the people, and first responders, in the community.” Yet, the complaint says the fumes sickened the first responders, and charges Arkema with “gross negligence” and “malice.” “Immediately upon being exposed to the fumes from the explosion, and one by one, the police officers and first responders began to fall ill in the middle of the road,” says the lawsuit, which was filed by members of local agencies including law enforcement and the fire department. “Calls for medics were made, but still no one from Arkema warned of the toxic fumes in the air. Emergency medical personnel arrived on scene, and even before exiting their vehicle, they became overcome by the fumes as well. The scene was nothing less than chaos. Police officers were doubled over vomiting, unable to breathe. Medical personnel, in their attempts to provide assistance to the officers, became overwhelmed and they too began to vomit and gasp for air.” Arkema did not respond immediately respond to International Business Times’ request for comment. The American Chemistry Council, which counts Arkema as a member, said in a statement to IBT that “industry had significant concerns with many of the modifications because it was not clear that they would improve the safety and security of chemical facilities or neighboring communities.” The first responders’ complaint concludes that the company did not properly store its chemicals, did not “have adequate procedures in place to protect the safety and welfare of the community in the event of a catastrophe” and failed “to provide the public and first responders accurate information on the chemicals at risk of exploding.” The allegations about information are particularly relevant to Arkema and its lobbying group’s successful effort to kill the EPA’s chemical plant safety rule, just months before the disaster in Texas. Under that rule, which was originally proposed by the Obama administration in 2013 in response to a deadly explosion at a West, Texas, fertilizer plant, owners of chemical plants would have had to increase coordination with local first responders. In particular, the rule stated companies would have to ensure that “local response organizations are aware of the regulated substances” at plants covered by EPA rules once a year.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/07/17 4:05:31 PM #2:	Hope they win. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886198730] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote>Hope they win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twinmold 09/07/17 4:09:49 PM #3:	Zeeak4444 posted... Hope they win. --- Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain <cite>Twinmold posted [p:886198986] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Hope they win.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 09/07/17 4:19:47 PM #4:	Twinmold posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Hope they win. They won't though. Big Companies like this have a stranglehold on our justice system. They'll pay a minuscule amount of what they should and it'll go away. --- This is my year of Pokemon! Pokemon games I'm playing: Black, Fire Red. <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:886199533] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twinmold posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Hope they win.</quote></quote> They won't though. Big Companies like this have a stranglehold on our justice system. They'll pay a minuscule amount of what they should and it'll go away.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twinmold 09/07/17 4:21:39 PM #5:	Well yeah, it helps when an entire political party is dedicated to chipping away at worker's rights. --- Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain <cite>Twinmold posted [p:886199640] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote>Well yeah, it helps when an entire political party is dedicated to chipping away at worker's rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 09/07/17 4:23:27 PM #6:	Eh, wouldn't go as far as to say I hope they win, to what extent do chem plants need to be able to handle a catastrophe? Definitely a case worth hearing before passing judgement. God damn, it's like you want to see U.S. manufacturing fucking gone. "Punish them all until they can't exist." --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:886199743] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote>Eh, wouldn't go as far as to say I hope they win, to what extent do chem plants need to be able to handle a catastrophe? Definitely a case worth hearing before passing judgement. God damn, it's like you want to see U.S. manufacturing fucking gone. "Punish them all until they can't exist."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 09/07/17 4:24:05 PM #7:	Bloody outrageous. Logic and morality dictates that anyone manufacturing chemicals and hazardous materials should fully inform anyone dealing with an accident aftermath of what they are dealing with and any inherent risks. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:886199773] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote>Bloody outrageous. Logic and morality dictates that anyone manufacturing chemicals and hazardous materials should fully inform anyone dealing with an accident aftermath of what they are dealing with and any inherent risks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 09/07/17 4:25:29 PM #8:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Eh, wouldn't go as far as to say I hope they win, to what extent do chem plants need to be able to handle a catastrophe? Definitely a case worth hearing before passing judgement. God damn, it's like you want to see U.S. manufacturing fucking gone. "Punish them all until they can't exist." The chemical plant fucking exploded and killed people. I think that yeah, there should be regulations in place to prevent that from happening. --- This is my year of Pokemon! Pokemon games I'm playing: Black, Fire Red. <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:886199844] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Eh, wouldn't go as far as to say I hope they win, to what extent do chem plants need to be able to handle a catastrophe? Definitely a case worth hearing before passing judgement. God damn, it's like you want to see U.S. manufacturing fucking gone. "Punish them all until they can't exist."</quote> The chemical plant fucking exploded and killed people. I think that yeah, there should be regulations in place to prevent that from happening.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/07/17 4:26:45 PM #9:	Duncanwii posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Eh, wouldn't go as far as to say I hope they win, to what extent do chem plants need to be able to handle a catastrophe? Definitely a case worth hearing before passing judgement. God damn, it's like you want to see U.S. manufacturing fucking gone. "Punish them all until they can't exist." The chemical plant fucking exploded and killed people. I think that yeah, there should be regulations in place to prevent that from happening. But then they'll just move to some country with less regulations! Muh jerbs! --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:886199931] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Eh, wouldn't go as far as to say I hope they win, to what extent do chem plants need to be able to handle a catastrophe? Definitely a case worth hearing before passing judgement. God damn, it's like you want to see U.S. manufacturing fucking gone. "Punish them all until they can't exist."</quote> The chemical plant fucking exploded and killed people. I think that yeah, there should be regulations in place to prevent that from happening.</quote> But then they'll just move to some country with less regulations! Muh jerbs!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 09/07/17 4:28:21 PM #10:	Duncanwii posted... I think that yeah, there should be regulations in place to prevent that from happening. I don't disagree. We need new regulations to deal with that. (Unless they already exist and weren't followed, like I said, I'd rather hear the fucking case before casting judgement.) Can't punish people for not having followed new regulations before they existed. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:886200011] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>I think that yeah, there should be regulations in place to prevent that from happening.</quote> I don't disagree. We need new regulations to deal with that. (Unless they already exist and weren't followed, like I said, I'd rather hear the fucking case before casting judgement.) Can't punish people for not having followed new regulations before they existed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 09/07/17 4:29:37 PM #11:	Duncanwii posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Eh, wouldn't go as far as to say I hope they win, to what extent do chem plants need to be able to handle a catastrophe? Definitely a case worth hearing before passing judgement. God damn, it's like you want to see U.S. manufacturing fucking gone. "Punish them all until they can't exist." The chemical plant fucking exploded and killed people. I think that yeah, there should be regulations in place to prevent that from happening. The plant was designed to survive a 500 year storm. This was greater than that. Nothing they could do. You can't completely eliminate risk all the time. Nobody died and few were injured in spite of this being so bad. I would call that a win. <cite>C7D posted [p:886200082] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Eh, wouldn't go as far as to say I hope they win, to what extent do chem plants need to be able to handle a catastrophe? Definitely a case worth hearing before passing judgement. God damn, it's like you want to see U.S. manufacturing fucking gone. "Punish them all until they can't exist."</quote> The chemical plant fucking exploded and killed people. I think that yeah, there should be regulations in place to prevent that from happening.</quote> The plant was designed to survive a 500 year storm. This was greater than that. Nothing they could do. You can't completely eliminate risk all the time. Nobody died and few were injured in spite of this being so bad. I would call that a win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 09/07/17 4:31:32 PM #12:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Duncanwii posted... I think that yeah, there should be regulations in place to prevent that from happening. I don't disagree. We need new regulations to deal with that. (Unless they already exist and weren't followed, like I said, I'd rather hear the fucking case before casting judgement.) Can't punish people for not having followed new regulations before they existed. Of course not. Ex Facto laws are illegal. But that still doesn't excuse there not being no regulations in the first place. What if that plant had been nuclear and that had exploded? It would have taken out ton of a lot more people. --- This is my year of Pokemon! Pokemon games I'm playing: Black, Fire Red. <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:886200165] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>I think that yeah, there should be regulations in place to prevent that from happening.</quote> I don't disagree. We need new regulations to deal with that. (Unless they already exist and weren't followed, like I said, I'd rather hear the fucking case before casting judgement.) Can't punish people for not having followed new regulations before they existed.</quote> Of course not. Ex Facto laws are illegal. But that still doesn't excuse there not being no regulations in the first place. What if that plant had been nuclear and that had exploded? It would have taken out ton of a lot more people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mizznox 09/07/17 4:31:57 PM #13:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... to what extent do chem plants need to be able to handle a catastrophe? C7D posted... Nothing they could do. You can't completely eliminate risk all the time. Antifar posted... The suit filed in Harris County court asserts that after explosions at the Arkema’s Crosby plant emitted a cloud of gas, company officials “repeatedly denied that the chemicals were toxic or harmful in any manner to the people, and first responders, in the community.” Yet, the complaint says the fumes sickened the first responders, and charges Arkema with “gross negligence” and “malice.” “Immediately upon being exposed to the fumes from the explosion, and one by one, the police officers and first responders began to fall ill in the middle of the road,” says the lawsuit, which was filed by members of local agencies including law enforcement and the fire department. “Calls for medics were made, but still no one from Arkema warned of the toxic fumes in the air. Emergency medical personnel arrived on scene, and even before exiting their vehicle, they became overcome by the fumes as well. The scene was nothing less than chaos. Police officers were doubled over vomiting, unable to breathe. Medical personnel, in their attempts to provide assistance to the officers, became overwhelmed and they too began to vomit and gasp for air.” I don't think asking them to not lie about the dangers is unreasonable. --- http://i.imgur.com/cZmZwYj.jpg <cite>Mizznox posted [p:886200189] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>to what extent do chem plants need to be able to handle a catastrophe?</quote> <cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>Nothing they could do. You can't completely eliminate risk all the time. </quote> <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>The suit filed in Harris County court asserts that after explosions at the Arkema’s Crosby plant emitted a cloud of gas, company officials “repeatedly denied that the chemicals were toxic or harmful in any manner to the people, and first responders, in the community.” Yet, the complaint says the fumes sickened the first responders, and charges Arkema with “gross negligence” and “malice.” “Immediately upon being exposed to the fumes from the explosion, and one by one, the police officers and first responders began to fall ill in the middle of the road,” says the lawsuit, which was filed by members of local agencies including law enforcement and the fire department. “Calls for medics were made, but still no one from Arkema warned of the toxic fumes in the air. Emergency medical personnel arrived on scene, and even before exiting their vehicle, they became overcome by the fumes as well. The scene was nothing less than chaos. Police officers were doubled over vomiting, unable to breathe. Medical personnel, in their attempts to provide assistance to the officers, became overwhelmed and they too began to vomit and gasp for air.”</quote> I don't think asking them to not lie about the dangers is unreasonable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gimmick 09/07/17 4:32:07 PM #14:	C7D posted... The plant was designed to survive a 500 year storm. This was greater than that. I'm so confused. --- This is a dumb gimmick <cite>Gimmick posted [p:886200196] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>The plant was designed to survive a 500 year storm. This was greater than that.</quote> I'm so confused.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InstaReturns 09/07/17 4:32:48 PM #15:	Did y'all actually read the post? alleges that the company did not adequately warn law enforcement and public health agencies about hazardous materials at the chemical plant. Those allegations come after Arkema and its lobbying group, the American Chemistry Council, lobbied to kill a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants. The rule would have taken effect in March. They should absolutely win --- I am Instagig. <cite>InstaReturns posted [p:886200234] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote>Did y'all actually read the post? alleges that the company did not adequately warn law enforcement and public health agencies about hazardous materials at the chemical plant. Those allegations come after Arkema and its lobbying group, the American Chemistry Council, lobbied to kill a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants. The rule would have taken effect in March. They should absolutely win</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 09/07/17 4:34:38 PM #16:	Mizznox posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... to what extent do chem plants need to be able to handle a catastrophe? C7D posted... Nothing they could do. You can't completely eliminate risk all the time. Antifar posted... The suit filed in Harris County court asserts that after explosions at the Arkema’s Crosby plant emitted a cloud of gas, company officials “repeatedly denied that the chemicals were toxic or harmful in any manner to the people, and first responders, in the community.” Yet, the complaint says the fumes sickened the first responders, and charges Arkema with “gross negligence” and “malice.” “Immediately upon being exposed to the fumes from the explosion, and one by one, the police officers and first responders began to fall ill in the middle of the road,” says the lawsuit, which was filed by members of local agencies including law enforcement and the fire department. “Calls for medics were made, but still no one from Arkema warned of the toxic fumes in the air. Emergency medical personnel arrived on scene, and even before exiting their vehicle, they became overcome by the fumes as well. The scene was nothing less than chaos. Police officers were doubled over vomiting, unable to breathe. Medical personnel, in their attempts to provide assistance to the officers, became overwhelmed and they too began to vomit and gasp for air.” I don't think asking them to not lie about the dangers is unreasonable. you mean carbon dioxide and water? Something else likely burned (incompletely) in addition to the organic peroxides in question. (Chemical engineer) <cite>C7D posted [p:886200321] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mizznox posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>to what extent do chem plants need to be able to handle a catastrophe?</quote> <cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>Nothing they could do. You can't completely eliminate risk all the time. </quote> <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>The suit filed in Harris County court asserts that after explosions at the Arkema’s Crosby plant emitted a cloud of gas, company officials “repeatedly denied that the chemicals were toxic or harmful in any manner to the people, and first responders, in the community.” Yet, the complaint says the fumes sickened the first responders, and charges Arkema with “gross negligence” and “malice.” “Immediately upon being exposed to the fumes from the explosion, and one by one, the police officers and first responders began to fall ill in the middle of the road,” says the lawsuit, which was filed by members of local agencies including law enforcement and the fire department. “Calls for medics were made, but still no one from Arkema warned of the toxic fumes in the air. Emergency medical personnel arrived on scene, and even before exiting their vehicle, they became overcome by the fumes as well. The scene was nothing less than chaos. Police officers were doubled over vomiting, unable to breathe. Medical personnel, in their attempts to provide assistance to the officers, became overwhelmed and they too began to vomit and gasp for air.”</quote> I don't think asking them to not lie about the dangers is unreasonable.</quote> you mean carbon dioxide and water? Something else likely burned (incompletely) in addition to the organic peroxides in question. (Chemical engineer)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 09/07/17 4:36:00 PM #17:	Gimmick posted... C7D posted... The plant was designed to survive a 500 year storm. This was greater than that. I'm so confused. In the absence of cooling, Arkema's product decomposes exothermicly. The cooling system failed in the flood. <cite>C7D posted [p:886200381] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gimmick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>The plant was designed to survive a 500 year storm. This was greater than that.</quote> I'm so confused.</quote> In the absence of cooling, Arkema's product decomposes exothermicly. The cooling system failed in the flood.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 09/07/17 4:38:34 PM #18:	Mizznox posted... I don't think asking them to not lie about the dangers is unreasonable. Was this before or after the explosion? A lot of shit isn't toxic until it flippin burns. There are a ton of questions here and none of them are answered in the article. What does "fell ill" even mean? Are they still sick? The link to the suit isn't working for me. InstaReturns posted... Did y'all actually read the post? alleges that the company did not adequately warn law enforcement and public health agencies about hazardous materials at the chemical plant. Those allegations come after Arkema and its lobbying group, the American Chemistry Council, lobbied to kill a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants. The rule would have taken effect in March. They should absolutely win Did you read it? Since we're bold'ing things n all . . . --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:886200515] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mizznox posted...</cite> <quote> I don't think asking them to not lie about the dangers is unreasonable.</quote> Was this before or after the explosion? A lot of shit isn't toxic until it flippin burns. There are a ton of questions here and none of them are answered in the article. What does "fell ill" even mean? Are they still sick? The link to the suit isn't working for me. <cite>InstaReturns posted...</cite> <quote>Did y'all actually read the post? alleges that the company did not adequately warn law enforcement and public health agencies about hazardous materials at the chemical plant. Those allegations come after Arkema and its lobbying group, the American Chemistry Council, lobbied to kill a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants. The rule would have taken effect in March. They should absolutely win</quote> Did you read it? Since we're bold'ing things n all . . .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mizznox 09/07/17 4:45:48 PM #19:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Was this before or after the explosion? A lot of shit isn't toxic until it flippin burns. There are a ton of questions here and none of them are answered in the article. What does "fell ill" even mean? Are they still sick? The link to the suit isn't working for me. It's in the same sentence as what I bolded: AFTER the explosions, company officials denied that the chemicals were harmful. And I don't see anything about lingering effects, but it does say that they started vomiting immediately after breathing the fumes. --- http://i.imgur.com/cZmZwYj.jpg <cite>Mizznox posted [p:886200872] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Was this before or after the explosion? A lot of shit isn't toxic until it flippin burns. There are a ton of questions here and none of them are answered in the article. What does "fell ill" even mean? Are they still sick? The link to the suit isn't working for me.</quote> It's in the same sentence as what I bolded: AFTER the explosions, company officials denied that the chemicals were harmful. And I don't see anything about lingering effects, but it does say that they started vomiting immediately after breathing the fumes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 09/07/17 4:48:29 PM #20:	Mizznox posted... And I don't see anything about lingering effects, but it does say that they started vomiting immediately after breathing the fumes. Same thing happened when I smoked a Newport in middle school, cowboy the fuck up? I dunno. "You made me vomit, I can haz million?" --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:886201004] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mizznox posted...</cite> <quote>And I don't see anything about lingering effects, but it does say that they started vomiting immediately after breathing the fumes.</quote> Same thing happened when I smoked a Newport in middle school, cowboy the fuck up? I dunno. "You made me vomit, I can haz million?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 09/07/17 4:49:17 PM #21:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Mizznox posted... And I don't see anything about lingering effects, but it does say that they started vomiting immediately after breathing the fumes. Same thing happened when I smoked a Newport in middle school, cowboy the fuck up? I dunno. Come on man. A cigarette is a hell of a lot different than toxic chemicals and you know this <cite>Axiom posted [p:886201049] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mizznox posted...</cite> <quote>And I don't see anything about lingering effects, but it does say that they started vomiting immediately after breathing the fumes.</quote> Same thing happened when I smoked a Newport in middle school, cowboy the fuck up? I dunno.</quote> Come on man. A cigarette is a hell of a lot different than toxic chemicals and you know this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 09/07/17 4:50:47 PM #22:	Axiom posted... Come on man. A cigarette is a hell of a lot different than toxic chemicals and you know this Do you not agree that the exact medical diagnosing is important here? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:886201109] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote> Come on man. A cigarette is a hell of a lot different than toxic chemicals and you know this</quote> Do you not agree that the exact medical diagnosing is important here?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 09/07/17 4:53:52 PM #23:	Axiom posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Mizznox posted... And I don't see anything about lingering effects, but it does say that they started vomiting immediately after breathing the fumes. Same thing happened when I smoked a Newport in middle school, cowboy the fuck up? I dunno. Come on man. A cigarette is a hell of a lot different than toxic chemicals and you know this Arkema produces organic peroxides at this site. They store their product in 1 and 5 kg containers on pallets. This product is used in the production of plastics and will only work when the purity of the product is very high. The area in which these pallets are stored must be cooled or the product will begin decomposing and combust into water and co2. Neither of those is toxic. I'm guessing the containers and the pallets caught fire which could cause black smoke similar to when you burn a log in your fireplace. We won't know till the CSB has the final word. Stop fearmongering. You don't know what you are talking about here. <cite>C7D posted [p:886201275] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mizznox posted...</cite> <quote>And I don't see anything about lingering effects, but it does say that they started vomiting immediately after breathing the fumes.</quote> Same thing happened when I smoked a Newport in middle school, cowboy the fuck up? I dunno.</quote> Come on man. A cigarette is a hell of a lot different than toxic chemicals and you know this</quote> Arkema produces organic peroxides at this site. They store their product in 1 and 5 kg containers on pallets. This product is used in the production of plastics and will only work when the purity of the product is very high. The area in which these pallets are stored must be cooled or the product will begin decomposing and combust into water and co2. Neither of those is toxic. I'm guessing the containers and the pallets caught fire which could cause black smoke similar to when you burn a log in your fireplace. We won't know till the CSB has the final word. Stop fearmongering. You don't know what you are talking about here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InstaReturns 09/07/17 7:11:10 PM #24:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Mizznox posted... I don't think asking them to not lie about the dangers is unreasonable. Was this before or after the explosion? A lot of shit isn't toxic until it flippin burns. There are a ton of questions here and none of them are answered in the article. What does "fell ill" even mean? Are they still sick? The link to the suit isn't working for me. InstaReturns posted... Did y'all actually read the post? alleges that the company did not adequately warn law enforcement and public health agencies about hazardous materials at the chemical plant. Those allegations come after Arkema and its lobbying group, the American Chemistry Council, lobbied to kill a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants. The rule would have taken effect in March. They should absolutely win Did you read it? Since we're bold'ing things n all . . . They should absolutely win if their accusations are proved* --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>InstaReturns posted [p:886208429] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mizznox posted...</cite> <quote> I don't think asking them to not lie about the dangers is unreasonable.</quote> Was this before or after the explosion? A lot of shit isn't toxic until it flippin burns. There are a ton of questions here and none of them are answered in the article. What does "fell ill" even mean? Are they still sick? The link to the suit isn't working for me. <cite>InstaReturns posted...</cite> <quote> Did y'all actually read the post? alleges that the company did not adequately warn law enforcement and public health agencies about hazardous materials at the chemical plant. Those allegations come after Arkema and its lobbying group, the American Chemistry Council, lobbied to kill a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants. The rule would have taken effect in March. They should absolutely win</quote> Did you read it? Since we're bold'ing things n all . . .</quote> They should absolutely win if their accusations are proved*</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowSUV 09/07/17 7:12:47 PM #25:	Stuff like this will keep happening unless the penalties actually outweigh what corporations makes through corruption. --- We all live in a Yellow SUV! a Yellow SUV! <cite>YellowSUV posted [p:886208517] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote>Stuff like this will keep happening unless the penalties actually outweigh what corporations makes through corruption.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fin_Dawg_004 09/07/17 7:14:25 PM #26:	good, the law protecting these plants from releasing what should be public information is insane. --- Dallas Cowboys : 13 - 3 Dallas Mavs : Dirk Nowitzki: 30, 005 points (6th all time) 1814 from Wilt <cite>Fin_Dawg_004 posted [p:886208602] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote>good, the law protecting these plants from releasing what should be public information is insane.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/07/17 7:15:20 PM #27:	InstaReturns posted... Did y'all actually read the post? alleges that the company did not adequately warn law enforcement and public health agencies about hazardous materials at the chemical plant. Those allegations come after Arkema and its lobbying group, the American Chemistry Council, lobbied to kill a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants. The rule would have taken effect in March. They should absolutely win This is what I was thinking when I said they should win. I'll hear the case of course but unless the case discovers that everything stated was a lie I'm not changing my mind. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886208637] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>InstaReturns posted...</cite> <quote>Did y'all actually read the post? alleges that the company did not adequately warn law enforcement and public health agencies about hazardous materials at the chemical plant. Those allegations come after Arkema and its lobbying group, the American Chemistry Council, lobbied to kill a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants. The rule would have taken effect in March. They should absolutely win</quote> This is what I was thinking when I said they should win. I'll hear the case of course but unless the case discovers that everything stated was a lie I'm not changing my mind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/07/17 7:22:18 PM #28:	On a somewhat tangential note, wasn't there a scene in one of the Reeves Superman movies where he keeps a chemical plant from exploding due to fire? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:886209003] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote>On a somewhat tangential note, wasn't there a scene in one of the Reeves Superman movies where he keeps a chemical plant from exploding due to fire?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SGT_Conti 09/07/17 7:29:42 PM #29:	Antifar posted... a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants why is this not already a thing --- "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." <cite>SGT_Conti posted [p:886209363] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants</quote> why is this not already a thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BootyGif 09/07/17 7:37:36 PM #30:	Twinmold posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Hope they win. --- https://i.imgtc.com/4s4wNqG.png <cite>BootyGif posted [p:886209735] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twinmold posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Hope they win.</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 09/08/17 10:00:08 AM #31:	SGT_Conti posted... Antifar posted... a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants why is this not already a thing Some plants produce so many compounds that some of them are not even recognized as discovered species, are short-lived, are so dilute that extracting them would prove difficult, and that haven't been studied. It is necessary to ensure that both there is an adequate level of safety as well as ensure insuring profitability for American chemical producers. That is the goal of an entire branch of chemical engineering referred to as PSM. I can tell you the regulations are stronger here in the US than in any other first world country I have been to. We need an American chemical industry. <cite>C7D posted [p:886241369] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>SGT_Conti posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>a federal rule designed to require companies to better coordinate and inform first responders about the toxic compounds at chemical plants</quote> why is this not already a thing</quote> Some plants produce so many compounds that some of them are not even recognized as discovered species, are short-lived, are so dilute that extracting them would prove difficult, and that haven't been studied. It is necessary to ensure that both there is an adequate level of safety as well as ensure insuring profitability for American chemical producers. That is the goal of an entire branch of chemical engineering referred to as PSM. I can tell you the regulations are stronger here in the US than in any other first world country I have been to. We need an American chemical industry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 09/08/17 10:06:34 AM #32:	They aren't gonna win. --- I got nothing <cite>tremain07 posted [p:886241626] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote>They aren't gonna win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Just_a_loser 09/08/17 10:11:53 AM #33:	Zeeak4444 posted... Hope they win. --- Your face looks like I need a beer. <cite>Just_a_loser posted [p:886241818] in Texas firs... [t:75751470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Hope they win.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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