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ZombiePelican
09/07/17 12:16:52 PM
#101:


Lathissamus posted...
You guys should probably get used to microtransactions! HAHAHA

Nah, I'm an informed consumer, I actually put my foot down and demand quality instead of just gleefully bending over for the wants and needs of publishers
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Peter_Griffin33
09/07/17 12:44:55 PM
#102:


ZombiePelican posted...
Lathissamus posted...
You guys should probably get used to microtransactions! HAHAHA

Nah, I'm an informed consumer, I actually put my foot down and demand quality instead of just gleefully bending over for the wants and needs of publishers

Don't you buy Final Fantasy games and other weeb shit thats basically the same thing every game?
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ZombiePelican
09/07/17 1:44:23 PM
#103:


Peter_Griffin33 posted...

Don't you buy Final Fantasy games and other weeb s***

Not really. I bought FF15 because it wasn't turn based but never really got into it and sold it but that's about it.

I really enjoy Soulsborne games, FPSes, Fighting games, and flavor of the month open world RPGs
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ZombiePelican
09/07/17 1:59:12 PM
#105:


Asherlee10 posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
I don't agree.

It doesn't matter if you agree or not, this is a fact. As I've previously stated citing any supposed advantages you gain from microtransactions in full priced games ia pointless as both the advantages and disadvantages were put in place to goad you into spending real money


I disagree that the only reason why 'grinding' exists in games is to force people to buy microtransactions.

Now you're being disingenuous again. I never claimed grinding was invented to push microtransactions. Yes, portions of games with microtransactions are designed to be grindy on purpose. To test your wallet vs your patience, the fact you're giving ACTIVISION of all publishers the benefit of the doubt is pretty sad, you act like they don't want you to buy the microtransactions or something, when no publishers ever forced devs to put microtransactions in a game for you to NOT buy them


You said that grinding exists to push the consumer to spend money. What else cr
ould that mean?

Not at all, I said it was that the game was made to be grindy for the sake of goading real money out of you, not that the act of grinding itself was designed to push microtransactions.
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ZombiePelican
09/07/17 2:06:20 PM
#107:


Asherlee10 posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
I don't agree.

It doesn't matter if you agree or not, this is a fact. As I've previously stated citing any supposed advantages you gain from microtransactions in full priced games ia pointless as both the advantages and disadvantages were put in place to goad you into spending real money


I disagree that the only reason why 'grinding' exists in games is to force people to buy microtransactions.

Now you're being disingenuous again. I never claimed grinding was invented to push microtransactions. Yes, portions of games with microtransactions are designed to be grindy on purpose. To test your wallet vs your patience, the fact you're giving ACTIVISION of all publishers the benefit of the doubt is pretty sad, you act like they don't want you to buy the microtransactions or something, when no publishers ever forced devs to put microtransactions in a game for you to NOT buy them


You said that grinding exists to push the consumer to spend money. What else cr
ould that mean?

Not at all, I said it was that the game was made to be grindy for the sake of goading real money out of you, not that the act of grinding itself was designed to push microtransactions.


I don't agree that conclusion follows your premise.

Is this bait?

I can't be anymore clear and yet you're STILL denying what I said. Why?
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ZombiePelican
09/07/17 2:19:14 PM
#109:


Asherlee10 posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
I can't be anymore clear and yet you're STILL denying what I said. Why?


You think that you are clear and that your argument is valid, but your conclusion does not follow your premises.

Yes, it actually does. Publishers want you to buy their microtransactions, do you really think they're going to fairly balance the progression systems to where you almost never need to buy any of their microtransactions in their games? If you do you're even more sheltered and naive than I initially imagined.

The answer though is no, they could but then they wouldn't have an endless funnel of cash to their bank accounts like they want, so they make things extra grindy and harder to achieve so you're more likely to buy their microtransactions.

Understand now, or do I need to break it down further?
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ArchiePeck
09/07/17 3:53:59 PM
#111:


Asherlee10 posted...
I'm still going to buy the game today.
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Mr_Biscuit
09/07/17 4:13:24 PM
#112:


TC was just talking the other day about how excited he was to work for a company that doesn't pay him and is up in arms about Destiny's business practices
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Vindris_SNH
09/07/17 4:17:57 PM
#113:


Back before the first original Destiny DLC dropped, I was enjoying the game, doing weekly raids. When the first DLC raid dropped, players without DLC could no longer do their weekly if the DLC content was in rotation.

That was when I sold my copy of Destiny. To this day it is the only game I've ever sold. They effectively removed content from players who had bought the game, but not bought their DLC. I had no interest in DLC. I just wanted to keep playing the game the way I had been playing it, but I could not do that any longer.

That's why I'm not getting Destiny 2, and it is highly unlikely that I will ever purchase another game from Bungie.
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ZombiePelican
09/07/17 4:21:44 PM
#114:


Asherlee10 posted...
Why would grinding processes, which already existed, suddenly have a new creation source (microtransactions)?

You literally just answered your own question. Microtransactions, publishers now make shit extra grindy in the hopes your get tired of doing the same shit over and over and stump up the cash for their microtransactions.

Asherlee10 posted...
That premises doesn't lead to a logical conclusio

Again, yes it does. Where's the logic in making your game's progression system fair and balanced if you want people to buy your microtransactions endlessly? Hint: There isn't any you make the experience as painfully grindy as possible so they stump up as much money for microtransactions as humanly possible

Asherlee10 posted...
And you need to knock off your condescending attitude. It serves no purpose in discussion and only degrades the integrity of your responses.

This coming from the person who continually makes disingenuous and hilariously ignorant statements like comparing grindy online experiences designed to goad you into spending real money to Skyrim being long
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ZombiePelican
09/07/17 4:25:18 PM
#115:


Mr_Biscuit posted...
TC was just talking the other day about how excited he was to work for a company that doesn't pay him and is up in arms about Destiny's business practices

I volunteer for a haunted attraction for a few days in October. Please stop making statements like this thinking you're smart or cheeky.
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Dblade3k
09/08/17 1:59:01 PM
#116:


So...nothing about this affects you statistically. So it's not pay to win. It's literally Sharers...
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ZombiePelican
09/08/17 2:28:42 PM
#117:


Dblade3k posted...
So...nothing about this affects you statistically. So it's not pay to win. It's literally Sharers...

You realize there's more to a game than just K/D ratio?
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MC_BatCommander
09/08/17 2:31:14 PM
#118:


what are shaders and why do you need them to win
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Dblade3k
09/08/17 3:37:35 PM
#119:


ZombiePelican posted...
Dblade3k posted...
So...nothing about this affects you statistically. So it's not pay to win. It's literally Sharers...

You realize there's more to a game than just K/D ratio?

Yea...winning, which nothing you can buy helps you do.
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Dblade3k
09/08/17 3:38:12 PM
#120:


MC_BatCommander posted...
what are shaders and why do you need them to win

Change colors of your equipment. They have 0 effect on gameplay.
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MC_BatCommander
09/08/17 3:41:38 PM
#121:


Ah so tc is lying about it being pay2win, interesting...
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ZombiePelican
09/08/17 3:44:58 PM
#122:


MC_BatCommander posted...
Ah so tc is lying about it being pay2win, interesting...

I was not, I was just relaying the article.
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Dblade3k
09/08/17 3:48:34 PM
#123:


MC_BatCommander posted...
Ah so tc is lying about it being pay2win, interesting...

Yea. He got outraged and didn't even read into it.
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ZombiePelican
09/08/17 3:51:31 PM
#124:


Dblade3k posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
Ah so tc is lying about it being pay2win, interesting...

Yea. He got outraged and didn't even read into it.

Even if they're not pay2win that doesn't magically justify microtransactions in a paid game
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MC_BatCommander
09/08/17 3:55:21 PM
#125:


Just cause you don't like micro transactions doesn't justify lying
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Dblade3k
09/08/17 4:03:23 PM
#126:


ZombiePelican posted...
Dblade3k posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
Ah so tc is lying about it being pay2win, interesting...

Yea. He got outraged and didn't even read into it.

Even if they're not pay2win that doesn't magically justify microtransactions in a paid game

Just because there's microtransactions doesn't justify you spreading false information.
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marc55
09/08/17 4:22:37 PM
#127:


Dblade3k posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Dblade3k posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
Ah so tc is lying about it being pay2win, interesting...

Yea. He got outraged and didn't even read into it.

Even if they're not pay2win that doesn't magically justify microtransactions in a paid game

Just because there's microtransactions doesn't justify you spreading false information.

well

it would be harder for him to troll without doing it
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ZombiePelican
09/08/17 4:24:11 PM
#128:


MC_BatCommander posted...
Just cause you don't like micro transactions doesn't justify lying

It's not false information.


marc55 posted...
well

it would be harder for him to troll without doing it

Only on CE is consumer advocacy considering trolling
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MC_BatCommander
09/08/17 4:24:44 PM
#129:


ZombiePelican posted...
It's not false information.


then what do you have to buy 2 win?
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ZombiePelican
09/08/17 4:28:24 PM
#130:


MC_BatCommander posted...
what are shaders and why do you need them to win

If I'm not mistaken they're skins or armor pieces that can also effect stats if they're rare enough and you can unlock these by paying real money.
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Dblade3k
09/08/17 5:44:19 PM
#131:


ZombiePelican posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
what are shaders and why do you need them to win

If I'm not mistaken they're skins or armor pieces that can also effect stats if they're rare enough and you can unlock these by paying real money.

You can buy the gacha if you want, but the armor is level 5 of 300. Purely cosmetic. Gear mods are random drops from all engrams...sooo yea, nowhere near pay to win. Pay to look nice, sure, but you're ill informed.
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NeuralLaxative
09/08/17 7:20:29 PM
#132:


glitteringfairy posted...
Romulox28 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
Anybody playing on PS4 my thing is Tennessee_Tux

ill send you an invite, i am this_is_pete

thought youd be playing on xbox tho, i had you tagged as an xbro

I have xbox and ps4 pro. I recently got a 4K TV so I'm mostly using the pro until the Xbox X comes out. But yea xbox is my main. Got a 129 games on it compared to the 7 on ps4 lol


But I thougt Xbox had no gaems where did u fnd 129 Xbox gaems
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