Current Events > It's OFFICIAL!! 800,000 KIDS will be BOOTED out of the USA as DACA Ends!!

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Callixtus 09/04/17 2:02:46 PM #102:	Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... And? Not these other kids' fault. Remember the car analogy? No it's not the kid's fault their parents gave them a stolen car. They still don't get to keep the car. It belongs to someone else. A stolen car is not analogous as other people who may have wished to immigrate don't have a right to citizenship, while a car owner does have a right to their own car. Moreoever, people that steal cars are hurting a society, while those who may become vulnerable to deportation, have already contributed to the country, and have already received significant investment in turn from the rest of us through education and public services. To deport these people both takes away large populations that pay into our system and also wastes the large investment we have made in them. It is also immoral. To send these people back to countries they have never known, where they may not even be able to speak the language, uprooting them from the only country they know is just wrong. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886008787] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>And? Not these other kids' fault. </quote> Remember the car analogy? No it's not the kid's fault their parents gave them a stolen car. They still don't get to keep the car. It belongs to someone else.</quote> A stolen car is not analogous as other people who may have wished to immigrate don't have a right to citizenship, while a car owner does have a right to their own car. Moreoever, people that steal cars are hurting a society, while those who may become vulnerable to deportation, have already contributed to the country, and have already received significant investment in turn from the rest of us through education and public services. To deport these people both takes away large populations that pay into our system and also wastes the large investment we have made in them. It is also immoral. To send these people back to countries they have never known, where they may not even be able to speak the language, uprooting them from the only country they know is just wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/04/17 2:06:57 PM #103:	Callixtus posted... It is also immoral. To send these people back to countries they have never known, where they may not even be able to speak the language, uprooting them from the only country they know is just wrong. Mal just wants to take our problems and push them onto someone else. He really is a true American. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:886009004] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote> It is also immoral. To send these people back to countries they have never known, where they may not even be able to speak the language, uprooting them from the only country they know is just wrong. </quote> Mal just wants to take our problems and push them onto someone else. He really is a true American.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 09/04/17 2:11:06 PM #104:	hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Because there are kids who are trying to come here legally and they basically got 5th eor spot stolen? And? Not these other kids' fault. Technically, they are here legally anyway so legality is a moot point. They were never given legal status, only deferred deportation status (they are still considered guilty of unlawful presence, but no action was to be taken against them while they were otherwise law-abiding and up-to-date on their DACA registration). --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:886009223] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Because there are kids who are trying to come here legally and they basically got 5th eor spot stolen?</quote> And? Not these other kids' fault. Technically, they are here legally anyway so legality is a moot point.</quote> They were never given legal status, only deferred deportation status (they are still considered guilty of unlawful presence, but no action was to be taken against them while they were otherwise law-abiding and up-to-date on their DACA registration).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 09/04/17 2:16:30 PM #105:	hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process. It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration. The former would take care of the latter. Elaborate? hockeybub89 posted... I don't think it's fair. I also don't think it's fair to deport the other kid. Also, we are already letting legal in as these kids are legal. Why do we need to make some legal kids illegal to let in other legal ones? How about this : the kids who have been trying to get in legally for years get to become citizens first and the kids who stole their spots get in line like everyone else had to. Fair? ImTheMacheteGuy posted... What about illegals that intentionally avoid being factored into census data? Unless you live completely off the grid, you're in the census data. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:886009487] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process.</quote> It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration.</quote> The former would take care of the latter.</quote> Elaborate? <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think it's fair. I also don't think it's fair to deport the other kid. Also, we are already letting legal in as these kids are legal. Why do we need to make some legal kids illegal to let in other legal ones?</quote> How about this : the kids who have been trying to get in legally for years get to become citizens first and the kids who stole their spots get in line like everyone else had to. Fair? <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>What about illegals that intentionally avoid being factored into census data?</quote> Unless you live completely off the grid, you're in the census data.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/04/17 2:25:34 PM #106:	Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process. It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration. The former would take care of the latter. Elaborate? hockeybub89 posted... I don't think it's fair. I also don't think it's fair to deport the other kid. Also, we are already letting legal in as these kids are legal. Why do we need to make some legal kids illegal to let in other legal ones? How about this : the kids who have been trying to get in legally for years get to become citizens first and the kids who stole their spots get in line like everyone else had to. Fair? ImTheMacheteGuy posted... What about illegals that intentionally avoid being factored into census data? Unless you live completely off the grid, you're in the census data. You don't think any illegals live off the grid? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886009906] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process.</quote> It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration.</quote> The former would take care of the latter.</quote> Elaborate? <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think it's fair. I also don't think it's fair to deport the other kid. Also, we are already letting legal in as these kids are legal. Why do we need to make some legal kids illegal to let in other legal ones?</quote> How about this : the kids who have been trying to get in legally for years get to become citizens first and the kids who stole their spots get in line like everyone else had to. Fair? <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>What about illegals that intentionally avoid being factored into census data?</quote> Unless you live completely off the grid, you're in the census data.</quote> You don't think any illegals live off the grid?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 09/04/17 2:30:17 PM #107:	Glad another one of Obama's blatantly overreaching EOs is getting trashed. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:886010137] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>Glad another one of Obama's blatantly overreaching EOs is getting trashed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 09/04/17 2:40:55 PM #108:	Cleo_II posted... Pitbuller_26 posted... Cleo_II posted... Let's say someone steals a car who then gives it to their kid, without telling them it was stolen. The kid drives it around unknowingly. Would the car not get repossessed once discovered it's stolen? Or would the kid be given a break because their parent was the thief, and get to keep the car? The law is the law. This is a ridiculous analogy. Except, it's not. it is you even left the part about the goverment allowing them to keep it and make a living thx to it to not be a ridiculous analogy dont you think you shouldve included the part about giving up those "cars " means having it taken away means they lose their home ,family friends , jobs and pretty much everything else they have --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:886010713] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cleo_II posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pitbuller_26 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cleo_II posted...</cite> <quote>Let's say someone steals a car who then gives it to their kid, without telling them it was stolen. The kid drives it around unknowingly. Would the car not get repossessed once discovered it's stolen? Or would the kid be given a break because their parent was the thief, and get to keep the car? The law is the law.</quote> This is a ridiculous analogy.</quote> Except, it's not.</quote> it is you even left the part about the goverment allowing them to keep it and make a living thx to it to not be a ridiculous analogy dont you think you shouldve included the part about giving up those "cars " means having it taken away means they lose their home ,family friends , jobs and pretty much everything else they have</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 09/04/17 2:47:05 PM #109:	This topic can be turned into a nice drinking game. Every time someone posts the word "evil" take a drink! --- Oda break tracker 2017- 7 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 1-0 \| Oakland Raiders: 0-0 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:886011008] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>This topic can be turned into a nice drinking game. Every time someone posts the word "evil" take a drink!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/04/17 4:16:32 PM #110:	Can someone explain why the illegal immigrants cant just get in line and go through the legal process like everyone else? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:886015523] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>Can someone explain why the illegal immigrants cant just get in line and go through the legal process like everyone else?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 09/04/17 5:23:45 PM #111:	https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/903954313810239488 <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:886018973] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/903954313810239488</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/04/17 5:28:53 PM #112:	There are also "dreamers" who have killed others or are on wanted lists. Whats your point? The fact remains is that they stole opportunities from americans. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:886019223] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>There are also "dreamers" who have killed others or are on wanted lists. Whats your point? The fact remains is that they stole opportunities from americans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LittleRoyal 09/04/17 5:29:44 PM #113:	I'll ask if my friend can stay, she's going to college and is Mexican She makes pot brownies all the time though and she has had sex with more guys than I know the first names of --- I-I really needed this~~ Time to stomp some faces!!! <cite>LittleRoyal posted [p:886019269] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>I'll ask if my friend can stay, she's going to college and is Mexican She makes pot brownies all the time though and she has had sex with more guys than I know the first names of</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaytlessHearts 09/04/17 5:30:37 PM #114:	I mean, that sucks, but the families that brought them over illegally put them in that situation, not the president. --- "To be forgotten is worse than death..." -Freya <cite>FaytlessHearts posted [p:886019314] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>I mean, that sucks, but the families that brought them over illegally put them in that situation, not the president.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 09/04/17 5:31:32 PM #115:	This is going to wake up a shit load of people. The 2018 election better ease congress back into democratic control. --- i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php i.imgur.com/Pj3WBiE.jpg ~ www.dolldivine.com/sailor-moon-senshi-maker.php <cite>Sayoria posted [p:886019358] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>This is going to wake up a shit load of people. The 2018 election better ease congress back into democratic control.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 09/04/17 5:31:52 PM #116:	CruelBuffalo posted... https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/903954313810239488 So he gets deported, applies the legal way, and they'll probably let him back in. --- Oda break tracker 2017- 7 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 1-0 \| Oakland Raiders: 0-0 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:886019385] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/903954313810239488</quote> So he gets deported, applies the legal way, and they'll probably let him back in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 09/04/17 5:35:38 PM #117:	voldothegr8 posted... CruelBuffalo posted... https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/903954313810239488 So he gets deported, applies the legal way, and they'll probably let him back in. After 10+ years <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:886019582] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/903954313810239488</quote> So he gets deported, applies the legal way, and they'll probably let him back in.</quote> After 10+ years</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 09/04/17 5:36:21 PM #118:	voldothegr8 posted... CruelBuffalo posted... https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/903954313810239488 So he gets deported, applies the legal way, and they'll probably let him back in. Lol, no they won't. He wouldn't make the cut. Trump's immigration policy has become so hard that legal immigration is hard to achieve if you aren't even rich now. --- i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php i.imgur.com/Pj3WBiE.jpg ~ www.dolldivine.com/sailor-moon-senshi-maker.php <cite>Sayoria posted [p:886019626] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/903954313810239488</quote> So he gets deported, applies the legal way, and they'll probably let him back in.</quote> Lol, no they won't. He wouldn't make the cut. Trump's immigration policy has become so hard that legal immigration is hard to achieve if you aren't even rich now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 09/04/17 6:06:41 PM #119:	Sayoria posted... voldothegr8 posted... CruelBuffalo posted... https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/903954313810239488 So he gets deported, applies the legal way, and they'll probably let him back in. Lol, no they won't. He wouldn't make the cut. Trump's immigration policy has become so hard that legal immigration is hard to achieve if you aren't even rich now. i remember reading about a guy who after trump s changes wasnt allowed to keep renewing his green card because he was caught with marijuana 20 years ago so hes targeting green card holders too --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:886021366] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sayoria posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/903954313810239488</quote> So he gets deported, applies the legal way, and they'll probably let him back in.</quote> Lol, no they won't. He wouldn't make the cut. Trump's immigration policy has become so hard that legal immigration is hard to achieve if you aren't even rich now.</quote> i remember reading about a guy who after trump s changes wasnt allowed to keep renewing his green card because he was caught with marijuana 20 years ago so hes targeting green card holders too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadowstrike007 09/04/17 6:08:45 PM #120:	Those 800,000 illegals are lucky they aren't being put to the sword so this is 100% fair in the modern world getting the boot --- PSN: Shadowstrike002. Currently playing: FF12,sonic mania,night trap,Hyperdimension 1&3 ps3 https://psnprofiles.com/ShadowStrike002 <cite>Shadowstrike007 posted [p:886021487] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>Those 800,000 illegals are lucky they aren't being put to the sword so this is 100% fair in the modern world getting the boot</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/04/17 6:09:36 PM #121:	Rika_Furude posted... There are also "dreamers" who have killed others or are on wanted lists. But this isn't true; those receiving DACA have committed no crimes other than their immigration --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:886021525] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>There are also "dreamers" who have killed others or are on wanted lists. </quote> But this isn't true; those receiving DACA have committed no crimes other than their immigration</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 09/04/17 7:02:48 PM #122:	Antifar posted... Rika_Furude posted... There are also "dreamers" who have killed others or are on wanted lists. But this isn't true; those receiving DACA have committed no crimes other than their immigration Yeah wouldn't committing a crime disqualify them? A crime they had any control over that is. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:886024298] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>There are also "dreamers" who have killed others or are on wanted lists. </quote> But this isn't true; those receiving DACA have committed no crimes other than their immigration</quote> Yeah wouldn't committing a crime disqualify them? A crime they had any control over that is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/04/17 7:10:18 PM #123:	creativerealms posted... Yeah wouldn't committing a crime disqualify them? Correct --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:886024772] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah wouldn't committing a crime disqualify them?</quote> Correct</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 09/05/17 1:39:45 AM #124:	@hockeybub89 Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process. It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration. The former would take care of the latter. Elaborate? hockeybub89 posted... I don't think it's fair. I also don't think it's fair to deport the other kid. Also, we are already letting legal in as these kids are legal. Why do we need to make some legal kids illegal to let in other legal ones? How about this : the kids who have been trying to get in legally for years get to become citizens first and the kids who stole their spots get in line like everyone else had to. Fair? ImTheMacheteGuy posted... What about illegals that intentionally avoid being factored into census data? Unless you live completely off the grid, you're in the census data. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:886044682] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>@hockeybub89 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process.</quote> It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration.</quote> The former would take care of the latter.</quote> Elaborate? <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think it's fair. I also don't think it's fair to deport the other kid. Also, we are already letting legal in as these kids are legal. Why do we need to make some legal kids illegal to let in other legal ones?</quote> How about this : the kids who have been trying to get in legally for years get to become citizens first and the kids who stole their spots get in line like everyone else had to. Fair? <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>What about illegals that intentionally avoid being factored into census data?</quote> Unless you live completely off the grid, you're in the census data.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/05/17 4:03:09 AM #125:	What makes refugees more deserving than legitimate americans? --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:886048533] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>What makes refugees more deserving than legitimate americans?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 09/05/17 4:05:55 AM #126:	What exactly are these children meant to do? They like have only ever known America, and don't hold citizenship anywhere else, or even speak the language of the place. Are they meant to be held accountable for things they had no control over? --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:886048590] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>What exactly are these children meant to do? They like have only ever known America, and don't hold citizenship anywhere else, or even speak the language of the place. Are they meant to be held accountable for things they had no control over?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/05/17 4:11:45 AM #127:	Funkydog posted... Are they meant to be held accountable for things they had no control over? yes, like all other similar crimes. if you buy stolen goods, you still have them taken off you when the police find them. even if you never knew they were stolen. --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:886048718] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote>Are they meant to be held accountable for things they had no control over?</quote> yes, like all other similar crimes. if you buy stolen goods, you still have them taken off you when the police find them. even if you never knew they were stolen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/05/17 4:19:02 AM #128:	Sephiroth1288 posted... @hockeybub89 Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process. It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration. The former would take care of the latter. Elaborate? hockeybub89 posted... I don't think it's fair. I also don't think it's fair to deport the other kid. Also, we are already letting legal in as these kids are legal. Why do we need to make some legal kids illegal to let in other legal ones? How about this : the kids who have been trying to get in legally for years get to become citizens first and the kids who stole their spots get in line like everyone else had to. Fair? ImTheMacheteGuy posted... What about illegals that intentionally avoid being factored into census data? Unless you live completely off the grid, you're in the census data. I see that was an awkward response. We disagree on whether the chicken or egg came first. You say illegal immigration is making legal immigration harder. I think making the path to citizenship quicker and easier would do a number on illegal immigration. As for the DACA kids getting in line behind other immigrants, I disagree with any option that takes them out of America. Even if they weren't born here, many of them barely know the countries they came from. You'd be essentially throwing Americans into foreign lands without a care for what happens to them. I could accept a few scenarios where DACA is ended so long as those people get to continue being productive members of American society. We already have tons of legal non-citizens in America. Why not let the current dreamers continue their arrangement so long as they get in line towards citizenship? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:886048847] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>@hockeybub89 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process.</quote> It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration.</quote> The former would take care of the latter.</quote> Elaborate? <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think it's fair. I also don't think it's fair to deport the other kid. Also, we are already letting legal in as these kids are legal. Why do we need to make some legal kids illegal to let in other legal ones?</quote> How about this : the kids who have been trying to get in legally for years get to become citizens first and the kids who stole their spots get in line like everyone else had to. Fair? <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>What about illegals that intentionally avoid being factored into census data?</quote> Unless you live completely off the grid, you're in the census data.</quote></quote> I see that was an awkward response. We disagree on whether the chicken or egg came first. You say illegal immigration is making legal immigration harder. I think making the path to citizenship quicker and easier would do a number on illegal immigration. As for the DACA kids getting in line behind other immigrants, I disagree with any option that takes them out of America. Even if they weren't born here, many of them barely know the countries they came from. You'd be essentially throwing Americans into foreign lands without a care for what happens to them. I could accept a few scenarios where DACA is ended so long as those people get to continue being productive members of American society. We already have tons of legal non-citizens in America. Why not let the current dreamers continue their arrangement so long as they get in line towards citizenship?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/05/17 4:24:32 AM #129:	Rika_Furude posted... Funkydog posted... Are they meant to be held accountable for things they had no control over? yes, like all other similar crimes. if you buy stolen goods, you still have them taken off you when the police find them. even if you never knew they were stolen. What have these kids stolen? And there has to be some level of empathy here. I don't know if it is the morally correct thing to kick productive members of society into countries that are completely foreign to them to make room for potential immigrants. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:886048963] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote>Are they meant to be held accountable for things they had no control over?</quote> yes, like all other similar crimes. if you buy stolen goods, you still have them taken off you when the police find them. even if you never knew they were stolen.</quote> What have these kids stolen? And there has to be some level of empathy here. I don't know if it is the morally correct thing to kick productive members of society into countries that are completely foreign to them to make room for potential immigrants.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/05/17 4:26:36 AM #130:	hockeybub89 posted... What have these kids stolen? opportunities from americans and from immigrants going through the system legally --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:886049008] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>What have these kids stolen?</quote> opportunities from americans and from immigrants going through the system legally</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/05/17 4:31:10 AM #131:	Rika_Furude posted... hockeybub89 posted... What have these kids stolen? opportunities from americans and from immigrants going through the system legally Dey tuk er jerbs Seriously though, there are probably a few hundred thousand, if not millions, of other illegal immigrants who probably should be removed first if we care so much. But I guess Trump wants to throw another bone to the heartless bastard, instant gratification, xenophobic segment of his support. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:886049078] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>What have these kids stolen?</quote> opportunities from americans and from immigrants going through the system legally</quote> Dey tuk er jerbs Seriously though, there are probably a few hundred thousand, if not millions, of other illegal immigrants who probably should be removed first if we care so much. But I guess Trump wants to throw another bone to the heartless bastard, instant gratification, xenophobic segment of his support.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/05/17 4:37:08 AM #132:	hockeybub89 posted... there are probably a few hundred thousand, if not millions, of other illegal immigrants who probably should be removed first yes, all illegal immigrants should be removed. that doesn't mean "the dreamers" can't be removed alongside them --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:886049184] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>there are probably a few hundred thousand, if not millions, of other illegal immigrants who probably should be removed first </quote> yes, all illegal immigrants should be removed. that doesn't mean "the dreamers" can't be removed alongside them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/05/17 4:52:45 AM #133:	Rika_Furude posted... hockeybub89 posted... there are probably a few hundred thousand, if not millions, of other illegal immigrants who probably should be removed first yes, all illegal immigrants should be removed. that doesn't mean "the dreamers" can't be removed alongside them Priorities. Abolishing a government program that lets people who came here as children obtain legal work permits so long as they are on good behavior and pay their dues, and deporting them to countries they know nothing of and are also not citizens of? Caring nothing of what becomes of them? That might not be the best first move. It would be like jailing a bunch of minor drug offenders to make up for being bad at catching murderers. Yeah, they aren't exactly law-abiding citizens and they are an easy target, but really bro? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:886049473] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>there are probably a few hundred thousand, if not millions, of other illegal immigrants who probably should be removed first </quote> yes, all illegal immigrants should be removed. that doesn't mean "the dreamers" can't be removed alongside them</quote> Priorities. Abolishing a government program that lets people who came here as children obtain legal work permits so long as they are on good behavior and pay their dues, and deporting them to countries they know nothing of and are also not citizens of? Caring nothing of what becomes of them? That might not be the best first move. It would be like jailing a bunch of minor drug offenders to make up for being bad at catching murderers. Yeah, they aren't exactly law-abiding citizens and they are an easy target, but really bro?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 09/05/17 7:20:56 AM #134:	Im not sure why people even respond to Rika. He doesn't want to discuss things, and would rather troll/belittle. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:886052179] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>Im not sure why people even respond to Rika. He doesn't want to discuss things, and would rather troll/belittle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 09/05/17 9:18:40 AM #135:	Funkydog posted... Im not sure why people even respond to Rika. He doesn't want to discuss things, and would rather troll/belittle. not everyone knows this i had to tag him to remind me of it i do respond to him sometimes but the tag is there so i wont end up wasting too much time on it --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:886055331] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote>Im not sure why people even respond to Rika. He doesn't want to discuss things, and would rather troll/belittle.</quote> not everyone knows this i had to tag him to remind me of it i do respond to him sometimes but the tag is there so i wont end up wasting too much time on it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaname_Madoka 09/05/17 12:13:56 PM #136:	why does rika act like a stereotypical patriotic american when he doesn not even live in america --- Drawn for me by \| Popcorn_Fairy: https://i.imgtc.com/cvSNxRT.jpg \| Volkswagen_Bros: http://i.imgur.com/86XOVXb.jpg \| ShinobiNinjaX: https://imgur.com/bPb5vEV <cite>Kaname_Madoka posted [p:886062669] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>why does rika act like a stereotypical patriotic american when he doesn not even live in america</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/05/17 12:31:59 PM #137:	The D in DACA has always been "deferred": http://www.dictionary.com/browse/deferred The looming threat of deportation never went away. DACA just stated that we weren't deporting anyone relevant right now. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:886063661] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>The D in DACA has always been "deferred": http://www.dictionary.com/browse/deferred The looming threat of deportation never went away. DACA just stated that we weren't deporting anyone relevant right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
conpfreak 09/05/17 12:44:25 PM #138:	Yuck at the posts in this topic. Regardless of whether it was their parents that brung them here or if they were fucking kidnapped, they were smuggled into the US during a time where they had no control (legal control or not) of whether they needed to follow the law or not. It's inhumane to just dump people into foreign lands where they don't have good chance to survive because they can't speak the language, have living arrangements, or have a job to economically support themselves. The US failed to secure the border and enforce immigration policy well enough to prevent situations like this, so we need to deal with the consequences and deal with their livelihoods humanely. --- end of line. <cite>conpfreak posted [p:886064332] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote>Yuck at the posts in this topic. Regardless of whether it was their parents that brung them here or if they were fucking kidnapped, they were smuggled into the US during a time where they had no control (legal control or not) of whether they needed to follow the law or not. It's inhumane to just dump people into foreign lands where they don't have good chance to survive because they can't speak the language, have living arrangements, or have a job to economically support themselves. The US failed to secure the border and enforce immigration policy well enough to prevent situations like this, so we need to deal with the consequences and deal with their livelihoods humanely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 09/05/17 12:45:12 PM #139:	hockeybub89 posted... I see that was an awkward response. We disagree on whether the chicken or egg came first. You say illegal immigration is making legal immigration harder. I think making the path to citizenship quicker and easier would do a number on illegal immigration. Why not both Everyone agrees that immigration law can be made better, but you're the one claiming these kids are deserving of getting citizenship before the kids who are doing it legally. Why? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:886064370] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I see that was an awkward response. We disagree on whether the chicken or egg came first. You say illegal immigration is making legal immigration harder. I think making the path to citizenship quicker and easier would do a number on illegal immigration.</quote> Why not both Everyone agrees that immigration law can be made better, but you're the one claiming these kids are deserving of getting citizenship before the kids who are doing it legally. Why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
josifrees 09/05/17 12:47:53 PM #140:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImgW2GVC-hE /topic --- <\|={D <cite>josifrees posted [p:886064495] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImgW2GVC-hE /topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 09/05/17 12:59:37 PM #141:	Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... I see that was an awkward response. We disagree on whether the chicken or egg came first. You say illegal immigration is making legal immigration harder. I think making the path to citizenship quicker and easier would do a number on illegal immigration. Why not both Everyone agrees that immigration law can be made better, but you're the one claiming these kids are deserving of getting citizenship before the kids who are doing it legally. Why? i think its probably because many already have jobs pay taxes speak the language and they dont have a family a home or a place to return basically they would be telling these men and women to leave their home jobs and family to live in the streets in some other country --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:886065164] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I see that was an awkward response. We disagree on whether the chicken or egg came first. You say illegal immigration is making legal immigration harder. I think making the path to citizenship quicker and easier would do a number on illegal immigration.</quote> Why not both Everyone agrees that immigration law can be made better, but you're the one claiming these kids are deserving of getting citizenship before the kids who are doing it legally. Why?</quote> i think its probably because many already have jobs pay taxes speak the language and they dont have a family a home or a place to return basically they would be telling these men and women to leave their home jobs and family to live in the streets in some other country</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 09/05/17 1:09:42 PM #142:	marc55 posted... i think its probably because many already have jobs pay taxes speak the language and they dont have a family a home or a place to return basically they would be telling these men and women to leave their home jobs and family to live in the streets in some other country I'm still waiting for a reason for why they deserve citizenship before the kids trying to come in legally. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:886065754] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>marc55 posted...</cite> <quote> i think its probably because many already have jobs pay taxes speak the language and they dont have a family a home or a place to return basically they would be telling these men and women to leave their home jobs and family to live in the streets in some other country</quote> I'm still waiting for a reason for why they deserve citizenship before the kids trying to come in legally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/05/17 1:10:07 PM #143:	LittleRoyal posted... I'll ask if my friend can stay, she's going to college and is Mexican She makes pot brownies all the time though and she has had sex with more guys than I know the first names of She sounds like fun --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886065775] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleRoyal posted...</cite> <quote>I'll ask if my friend can stay, she's going to college and is Mexican She makes pot brownies all the time though and she has had sex with more guys than I know the first names of</quote> She sounds like fun</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/05/17 1:11:36 PM #144:	Sephiroth1288 posted... marc55 posted... i think its probably because many already have jobs pay taxes speak the language and they dont have a family a home or a place to return basically they would be telling these men and women to leave their home jobs and family to live in the streets in some other country I'm still waiting for a reason for why they deserve citizenship before the kids trying to come in legally. They can wait in line to get official citizenship, fine. But they are still already here and know no other country. They might not get a chance to come back. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:886065870] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>marc55 posted...</cite> <quote> i think its probably because many already have jobs pay taxes speak the language and they dont have a family a home or a place to return basically they would be telling these men and women to leave their home jobs and family to live in the streets in some other country</quote> I'm still waiting for a reason for why they deserve citizenship before the kids trying to come in legally.</quote> They can wait in line to get official citizenship, fine. But they are still already here and know no other country. They might not get a chance to come back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 09/05/17 1:11:39 PM #145:	Sephiroth1288 posted... marc55 posted... i think its probably because many already have jobs pay taxes speak the language and they dont have a family a home or a place to return basically they would be telling these men and women to leave their home jobs and family to live in the streets in some other country I'm still waiting for a reason for why they deserve citizenship before the kids trying to come in legally. why are you talking about kids ? are kids trying to do it alone without their parents ? i find it hard to believe 6 year olds are trying to get citizenship --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:886065875] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>marc55 posted...</cite> <quote> i think its probably because many already have jobs pay taxes speak the language and they dont have a family a home or a place to return basically they would be telling these men and women to leave their home jobs and family to live in the streets in some other country</quote> I'm still waiting for a reason for why they deserve citizenship before the kids trying to come in legally.</quote> why are you talking about kids ? are kids trying to do it alone without their parents ? i find it hard to believe 6 year olds are trying to get citizenship</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 09/05/17 1:32:32 PM #146:	marc55 posted... why are you talking about kids ? are kids trying to do it alone without their parents ? i find it hard to believe 6 year olds are trying to get citizenship Isn't that who this is all about? Kids of people who came here, and don't have official citizenship - so only know America and have no place to go. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:886066964] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>marc55 posted...</cite> <quote>why are you talking about kids ? are kids trying to do it alone without their parents ? i find it hard to believe 6 year olds are trying to get citizenship</quote> Isn't that who this is all about? Kids of people who came here, and don't have official citizenship - so only know America and have no place to go.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 09/05/17 1:34:18 PM #147:	Funkydog posted... marc55 posted... why are you talking about kids ? are kids trying to do it alone without their parents ? i find it hard to believe 6 year olds are trying to get citizenship Isn't that who this is all about? Kids of people who came here, and don't have official citizenship - so only know America and have no place to go. so you dont know ? most of them are 20-35 year olds now havent been kids for a long time......... --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:886067061] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>marc55 posted...</cite> <quote>why are you talking about kids ? are kids trying to do it alone without their parents ? i find it hard to believe 6 year olds are trying to get citizenship</quote> Isn't that who this is all about? Kids of people who came here, and don't have official citizenship - so only know America and have no place to go.</quote> so you dont know ? most of them are 20-35 year olds now havent been kids for a long time.........</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
conpfreak 09/05/17 1:49:09 PM #148:	marc55 posted... Funkydog posted... marc55 posted... why are you talking about kids ? are kids trying to do it alone without their parents ? i find it hard to believe 6 year olds are trying to get citizenship Isn't that who this is all about? Kids of people who came here, and don't have official citizenship - so only know America and have no place to go. so you dont know ? most of them are 20-35 year olds now havent been kids for a long time......... So what if they are adults now? Did they have a choice to leave their parents and go back to their home country? Children cannot adjust status or apply for citizenship on their own. Legally, this is an issue that has long been unaddressed with no options for people who end up in this situation. It's a failure of law and failure of Congress to fix it. --- end of line. <cite>conpfreak posted [p:886067905] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>marc55 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>marc55 posted...</cite> <quote>why are you talking about kids ? are kids trying to do it alone without their parents ? i find it hard to believe 6 year olds are trying to get citizenship</quote> Isn't that who this is all about? Kids of people who came here, and don't have official citizenship - so only know America and have no place to go.</quote> so you dont know ? most of them are 20-35 year olds now havent been kids for a long time.........</quote> So what if they are adults now? Did they have a choice to leave their parents and go back to their home country? Children cannot adjust status or apply for citizenship on their own. Legally, this is an issue that has long been unaddressed with no options for people who end up in this situation. It's a failure of law and failure of Congress to fix it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 09/05/17 2:02:20 PM #149:	conpfreak posted... marc55 posted... Funkydog posted... marc55 posted... why are you talking about kids ? are kids trying to do it alone without their parents ? i find it hard to believe 6 year olds are trying to get citizenship Isn't that who this is all about? Kids of people who came here, and don't have official citizenship - so only know America and have no place to go. so you dont know ? most of them are 20-35 year olds now havent been kids for a long time......... So what if they are adults now? Did they have a choice to leave their parents and go back to their home country? Children cannot adjust status or apply for citizenship on their own. Legally, this is an issue that has long been unaddressed with no options for people who end up in this situation. It's a failure of law and failure of Congress to fix it. thats why i dont understand when people here say they should give it to children who applied for it like this guy Sephiroth1288 posted... I'm still waiting for a reason for why they deserve citizenship before the kids trying to come in legally. --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:886068558] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>conpfreak posted...</cite> <quote><cite>marc55 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>marc55 posted...</cite> <quote>why are you talking about kids ? are kids trying to do it alone without their parents ? i find it hard to believe 6 year olds are trying to get citizenship</quote> Isn't that who this is all about? Kids of people who came here, and don't have official citizenship - so only know America and have no place to go.</quote> so you dont know ? most of them are 20-35 year olds now havent been kids for a long time.........</quote> So what if they are adults now? Did they have a choice to leave their parents and go back to their home country? Children cannot adjust status or apply for citizenship on their own. Legally, this is an issue that has long been unaddressed with no options for people who end up in this situation. It's a failure of law and failure of Congress to fix it.</quote> thats why i dont understand when people here say they should give it to children who applied for it like this guy <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> I'm still waiting for a reason for why they deserve citizenship before the kids trying to come in legally.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/05/17 2:05:07 PM #150:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... Out of curiosity, how is that even a thing? They're just tunnelling through or is it super easy to walk across, even for children? I recall under Obama a bunch of kids were sent walking through the desert cause mommy and daddy said America will take care of you and we did there was controversy because they didn't want to encourage parents to send their kids through the desert by taking care of them like mommy and dad wanted to but at the same time they wanted to take care of them --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886068685] in It's OFFIC... [t:75739216]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote>Out of curiosity, how is that even a thing? They're just tunnelling through or is it super easy to walk across, even for children?</quote> I recall under Obama a bunch of kids were sent walking through the desert cause mommy and daddy said America will take care of you and we did there was controversy because they didn't want to encourage parents to send their kids through the desert by taking care of them like mommy and dad wanted to but at the same time they wanted to take care of them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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