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weapon_d00d816
09/03/17 10:41:28 PM
#51:


TheMarthKoopa posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
You continue to show you have no experience with the FPS genre. It doesn't do most of the work for you. It simply allows you to track your targets while you fine tune your aim because a joystick has less range of movement.

All you're doing is proving my point: Playing FPS with controllers is dumb because the game needs to assist you with basic fucking mechanics

And how the hell does me never playing FPS on console mean I'm lacking experience in the FPS genre? That makes NO SENSE

Target tracking is a mindless mechanic that assisting does almost nothing to impact the gameplay negatively. It isn't hard to track your targets with a mouse. You do it effortlessly with your subconscious. Aim assist is basically going "okay we assume you know how to do this extremely simple task so we'll take care of that for you in order for you to focus on the actual aiming since your joystick can't do both at once".

You admitted your experience with the genre was almost entirely one game (PlanetSide), and I assume that means you have limited experience with console shooters by extension.
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TheMarthKoopa
09/03/17 10:45:42 PM
#52:


weapon_d00d816 posted...
Target tracking is a mindless mechanic that assisting does almost nothing to impact the gameplay negatively. It isn't hard to track your targets with a mouse. You do it effortlessly with your subconscious. Aim assist is basically going "okay we assume you know how to do this extremely simple task so we'll take care of that for you in order for you to focus on the actual aiming since your joystick can't do both at once".

"Your controller is literally incapable of performing the required motions for this genre, so we have to do it for you"

Keep helping me prove my point. It makes this REALLY EASY

You admitted your experience with the genre was almost entirely one game (PlanetSide)

Now you're just making up stupid bullshit
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ChromaticAngel
09/03/17 10:47:10 PM
#53:


weapon_d00d816 posted...
Target tracking is a mindless mechanic that assisting does almost nothing to impact the gameplay negatively. It isn't hard to track your targets with a mouse. You do it effortlessly with your subconscious. Aim assist is basically going "okay we assume you know how to do this extremely simple task so we'll take care of that for you in order for you to focus on the actual aiming since your joystick can't do both at once".


"We're going to assume you know how to ride a bike with two wheels so we're going to leave these training wheels on."

"We assume you know how to cook a burger so we'll just give you premade burgers that you can just microwave for 30 seconds."
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weapon_d00d816
09/03/17 10:49:34 PM
#54:


TheMarthKoopa posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Target tracking is a mindless mechanic that assisting does almost nothing to impact the gameplay negatively. It isn't hard to track your targets with a mouse. You do it effortlessly with your subconscious. Aim assist is basically going "okay we assume you know how to do this extremely simple task so we'll take care of that for you in order for you to focus on the actual aiming since your joystick can't do both at once".

"Your controller is literally incapable of performing the required motions for this genre, so we have to do it for you"

Keep helping me prove my point. It makes this REALLY EASY

You admitted your experience with the genre was almost entirely one game (PlanetSide)

Now you're just making up stupid bullshit

I'm saying it's a very mindless mechanic that ultimately doesn't change anything whether it's assisted or not.

I think you're forgetting my stance here. Mice are definitely better. Controllers just aren't the absolutely unbearable experience PC elitists pretend they are.
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TheMarthKoopa
09/03/17 10:51:25 PM
#55:


weapon_d00d816 posted...
I'm saying it's a very mindless mechanic that ultimately doesn't change anything whether it's assisted or not.

You're saying it's a mindless mechanic that the controller is still somehow incapable of doing

since your joystick can't do both at once
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DonaldClinton
09/03/17 10:51:59 PM
#56:


Best: dualshock 3
Worst: the wiimote
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weapon_d00d816
09/03/17 10:52:30 PM
#57:


ChromaticAngel posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Target tracking is a mindless mechanic that assisting does almost nothing to impact the gameplay negatively. It isn't hard to track your targets with a mouse. You do it effortlessly with your subconscious. Aim assist is basically going "okay we assume you know how to do this extremely simple task so we'll take care of that for you in order for you to focus on the actual aiming since your joystick can't do both at once".


"We're going to assume you know how to ride a bike with two wheels so we're going to leave these training wheels on."

"We assume you know how to cook a burger so we'll just give you premade burgers that you can just microwave for 30 seconds."

Not good comparisons because they have extra baggage that the original situation doesn't.
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WizardPowers
09/03/17 10:53:08 PM
#58:


Best - ps2/360 controller

worst - xbox/gamecube/dreamcast
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weapon_d00d816
09/03/17 10:53:32 PM
#59:


TheMarthKoopa posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
I'm saying it's a very mindless mechanic that ultimately doesn't change anything whether it's assisted or not.

You're saying it's a mindless mechanic that the controller is still somehow incapable of doing

since your joystick can't do both at once

Yeah? And...?

What was logically inconsistent there?
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ChromaticAngel
09/03/17 10:57:42 PM
#60:


weapon_d00d816 posted...
Not good comparisons because they have extra baggage that the original situation doesn't.

weapon_d00d816 posted...
because a joystick has less range of movement.


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TheMarthKoopa
09/03/17 10:59:00 PM
#61:


weapon_d00d816 posted...
Yeah? And...?

What was logically inconsistent there?

Your brain is the logical inconsistency, dude
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weapon_d00d816
09/03/17 10:59:38 PM
#62:


ChromaticAngel posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Not good comparisons because they have extra baggage that the original situation doesn't.

weapon_d00d816 posted...
because a joystick has less range of movement.


k

Yeah sorry you can't just slip by pretending you had to have made some kind of argument by cobbling some quotes together.
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weapon_d00d816
09/03/17 11:00:06 PM
#63:


TheMarthKoopa posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Yeah? And...?

What was logically inconsistent there?

Your brain is the logical inconsistency, dude

The joystick's inability is a mechanical limitation not a user's lack of competence.
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TheMarthKoopa
09/03/17 11:01:42 PM
#64:


weapon_d00d816 posted...
The joystick's inability is a mechanical limitation not a user's lack of competence.

The entire argument here is that joysticks are fucking garbage for shooter games because the games need to compensate for what they are incapable of doing
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weapon_d00d816
09/03/17 11:06:40 PM
#65:


TheMarthKoopa posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
The joystick's inability is a mechanical limitation not a user's lack of competence.

The entire argument here is that joysticks are fucking garbage for shooter games because the games need to compensate for what they are incapable of doing

And what they are incapable of doing is extremely negligible.

The fact that millions of people make do with controllers says that controllers are not garbage, you're an elitist who justifies his decisions by claiming that other decisions were utterly unacceptable.
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TheMarthKoopa
09/03/17 11:10:48 PM
#66:


weapon_d00d816 posted...
And what they are incapable of doing is extremely negligible.

Nope. Aiming is the entire point of the genre. If your controller has to help you with the easiest thing, it's a damn failure of a control method.

The fact that millions of people make do with controllers says that controllers are not garbage

Those millions of people that would stand exactly 0% of a chance against people using proper input methods.
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DocileOrangeCup
09/03/17 11:21:40 PM
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weapon_d00d816
09/03/17 11:22:17 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
And what they are incapable of doing is extremely negligible.

Nope. Aiming is the entire point of the genre. If your controller has to help you with the easiest thing, it's a damn failure of a control method.

The fact that millions of people make do with controllers says that controllers are not garbage

Those millions of people that would stand exactly 0% of a chance against people using proper input methods.

You're misrepresenting the argument. It's not aiming overall that it assists, it's merely one aspect of aiming that it assists. Aim assist doesn't do shit for fine tuning your shots. That's still all on you.

Also with the second part, I've found it's the opposite. Pitting people of equal skill level, the gap between a console player and a PC player playing each other on KB+M is much narrower than a PC player and a console player with controllers. This is because mice are more intuitive and have greater freedom. You don't have to learn them.
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TheMarthKoopa
09/03/17 11:54:01 PM
#69:


weapon_d00d816 posted...
You're misrepresenting the argument. It's not aiming overall that it assists, it's merely one aspect of aiming that it assists. Aim assist doesn't do shit for fine tuning your shots. That's still all on you.

Requiring assistance in any aspect of aiming, especially minor ones, is proof that it is not a suitable device for such activities.

Why are you making this so complicated

Also with the second part, I've found it's the opposite. Pitting people of equal skill level, the gap between a console player and a PC player playing each other on KB+M is much narrower than a PC player and a console player with controllers. This is because mice are more intuitive and have greater freedom. You don't have to learn them.

I don't care about the results of people using the same device. I'm talking about people using mice destroying people using controllers.
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DocileOrangeCup
09/04/17 12:06:32 AM
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Darmik
09/04/17 12:21:33 AM
#71:


weapon_d00d816 posted...
The fact that millions of people make do with controllers says that controllers are not garbage, you're an elitist who justifies his decisions by claiming that other decisions were utterly unacceptable.


Remember when millions of people made do playing FPS games with a single thumbstick 20 years ago?

weapon_d00d816 posted...
It's not aiming overall that it assists, it's merely one aspect of aiming that it assists. Aim assist doesn't do s*** for fine tuning your shots. That's still all on you.


What are you on about dude? It literally sticks the cursor to enemies so you don't have to aim as much.

weapon_d00d816 posted...
This is because mice are more intuitive and have greater freedom. You don't have to learn them.


No shit. Because dual thumbsticks for FPS games aren't intuitive at all. That's why they need aim assist to be good. That's why it's really not that great.
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Tmk
09/04/17 12:28:15 AM
#72:


PC gamers are the worst.
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LRodC
09/04/17 1:27:06 AM
#73:


Best: Switch Pro, Wii U Pro, NES, SNES, Xbox One, PS4

Worst: Jaguar, N64, Dreamcast, OG Xbox
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The_Donald
09/04/17 1:35:25 AM
#74:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
The original XBOX controller was fucking terrible

The S controller was godlike tho.
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MasterGakke
09/04/17 2:06:05 AM
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I don't know about overall, but the d pad on the standard release 360 controllers was fucking terrible. I had to change up my Tekken lineup because several characters became much worse when key moves in their arsenal became complete gambles because that putrid plus-shaped piece of fuck wouldn't work.

Thankfully later releases of the controller got a little better, or maybe I just adjusted to the crap factor. Hooray for being able to spin around like a loon with Heihachi again!
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DarkChozoGhost
09/04/17 2:15:31 AM
#76:


The best is the 360 controller, followed by the Wii U pro controller. The worst are gimmicky shit like Rock Band guitars, but the worst normal controller is the Dualshock 3. Letters >>>>>>> times infinity >>>>>> Sony's stupid shapes.
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ave1
09/04/17 5:54:13 AM
#77:


Favorites: X1 controller (Elite is truly the best) and PS4 controller. I also have liked the original Xbox controller S and 360 controller (the one with the convertible d-pad).

Least favorite: I didn't like the way the dreamcast controller made my hands feel after more than an hour of playing.

Special honors: I actually grew very used to the Atari Jaguar gamepad and like the feel of it in my hands to this day. Yeah, it doesn't look too snazzy, but it just handles well.
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thompsontalker7
09/04/17 5:58:32 AM
#78:


I was a PC gamer before I went to console shooters and I never had too much trouble with either.

The Switch Joycons are definitely on my negative list. They're expensive, not ergonomic in the slightest, and smudge/wear easily.

Dualshock 4 is incredible
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ArchiePeck
09/04/17 6:14:06 AM
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360 is probably the best conventional one ever made.

I don't understand all the N64 hate, though. It worked great for the games at the time!
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