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Mernardi posted...

These games all had complete stories lol

what does story have to do with it? why do games need stories? go buy a book

lol @ mario having a story

RE7 was literally the biggest rip off ever and I feel sorry for anyone that didn't return it after the free week that EB australia offers
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BignutzisBack posted...

Destiny was a f****** rip-off f*** that game

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Virus731 posted...

Soviet_Poland posted...

My point is that most games at that price point give 10x the content. I'm not even exaggerating here. If you disagree on this, I know you didn't play Destiny at launch and are trying to justify a huge fuck up you never experienced.

RE7, BioShock, Super Mario 3D World, Mirrors Edge, The Order whatever


the list goes on, most of those games last 10 hours at best and come with no post release content

TC probably thinks CDProjekt Red are Gods because they staggered the release of content to produce goodwill against pirates

I'm not faulting you for liking a game. There are a lot of games I enjoy that have flaws. At least I admit them rather than trying to pretend the flaw doesn't exist and try my damned hardest with mental gymnastics to make the game untarnished.
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Destiny is shit and will always be shit
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Soviet_Poland posted...

I'm not faulting you for liking a game. There are a lot of games I enjoy that have flaws. At least I admit them rather than trying to pretend the flaw doesn't exist and try my damned hardest with mental gymnastics to make the game untarnished.

You seem to be. I'm saying that Destiny at launch was a solid shooter that had at least 20-40 hours of enjoyable content. They even went as far to fire a boring VA and paying a brand new one as an admittance to their mistake... that and hiring Peter Dinklage long term would have been a massive pain in the ass.

No one forced anyone to buy the extra content, though I will admit as someone who bought it at launch, it was very difficult to swallow paying for the two expansions they released, but some could be said for people who bought WoW before Legion came out.... both Activision Blizzard games mind you.

Edit: In case people didn't know, I think it was when Legion came out that they offered all the WoW expansions previous for free, while the majority of people had paid 40USD for each.
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Destiny 1 was trash. I put a lot of time into that trash to try and justify my investment and I regret it
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I was a huge Destiny fan and played it for about an entire year. Day 1 till around December and then like April-December again the year PoE and TTK came out.

It was super fun and I raided every week, but the grind got super boring before TTK. And it wasn't that the story wasn't finished, but you had to read all of the grimoire cards to get the story, not from playing it. I didn't mind the DLC cause most of it was fun (Crota was buggy af though...his entire raid was). It just didn't feel like a finished game for $60 Day 1.

I'll probably eventually buy Destiny 2, but they better make it worth my while. As was said before, the game didn't feel full until TTK came out. I would of been fairly happy with the content if up to CE or PoE was the "launch" title. A couple raids and enough story missions to play when you first start leveling up your characters.
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Literally had to spend nearly $200 to be caught up from being an early adopter in Destiny 1 smh
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

I'll probably eventually buy Destiny 2, but they better make it worth my while. As was said before, the game didn't feel full until TTK came out. I would of been fairly happy with the content if up to CE or PoE was the "launch" title. A couple raids and enough story missions to play when you first start leveling up your characters.

I don't think they'll repeat the same mistake. The original Destiny reviews were pretty scathing and I think I remember reading that Bungie got a pay increase if they kept the meta over 85%.
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Banjo2553 posted...

Mernardi posted...

Yeah, they fixed all those with DLC lol, well except the repetitiveness of it all.

Wasn't the DLC free though? I think they said the DLC was paid for with microtransactions.

DLC wasn't free. They added stuff like Sparrow Racing for free, but new missions/raids cost money. There were two in the first year (Crota's End and Prison of Elders), TTK at Year 2, and then Rise of Iron. First two came with the season pass if you bought it, TTK was $40 if you had Destiny already, and RoI was $30. They did release Destiny with all of the DLC up to and including TTK when they launched it for like $80 though. It was literally like $60 cheaper to wait and it definitely pissed me off.
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thompsontalker7 posted...

Literally had to spend nearly $200 to be caught up from being an early adopter in Destiny 1 smh

Couldn't you have just waited for the $60 dollar complete edition, meaning only having to of spent $120? It's not like anyone forced you to buy DLC for a game you don't enjoy.
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Why are people buying it at all?

Seems like most people forced themselves to like the first game.
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Virus731 posted...

Mernardi posted...

These games all had complete stories lol

what does story have to do with it? why do games need stories? go buy a book

lol @ mario having a story

RE7 was literally the biggest rip off ever and I feel sorry for anyone that didn't return it after the free week that EB australia offers

Destiny was advertised as a huge MMO FPS for consoles. They were billing it as a game that would last for 10 years with tons of content released every year and you'd keep your character throughout the process.

It didn't live up to its billing, and this is coming from a fan of the game. It had tons of flaws and (rightly) pissed a ton of people off. iirc, Destiny 2 starts out with new characters and your old ones don't matter. The content at release was bare. The story was literally non-existent in game unless you were able to find all the collectibles and read them. A game should show you the story, not have you take time to read it all.

That being said, the grimoire story was pretty good and gave a ton of background information for everything. But again, it should of been in the game and while you were playing, not something you had to do yourself.

Sorry that you don't like people criticizing games for the flaws it had.
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Virus731 posted...

thompsontalker7 posted...

Literally had to spend nearly $200 to be caught up from being an early adopter in Destiny 1 smh

Couldn't you have just waited for the $60 dollar complete edition, meaning only having to of spent $120? It's not like anyone forced you to buy DLC for a game you don't enjoy.

No one knew they'd release TTK for $80 with all of the early game content. That was a year after release and something they didn't announce till like 10-11 months after release.

It fucked over anyone who bought the game Day 1, which should never be the gameplan of a company. Yeah, you want new players, but you also don't want to piss off the loyal base and make it so no one can play with the Year 2 noobies.
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Why are people buying Destiny 2 at all?

I don't understand. The concept is up my alley but the game just isn't much fun. I'd much rather play Diablo for a grind/lootfest.
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MrDrMan posted...

Why are people buying Destiny 2 at all?

I don't understand. The concept is up my alley but the game just isn't much fun. I'd much rather play Diablo for a grind/lootfest.

Because the game was fun and the raids were amazing. King's Fall and VoG are some of the funnest game experiences in my life. Crota's End was ok, but extremely buggy. Like only 1 person had to do the Thrall Way, you just needed a Warlock to do the bridge (everyone jump off, enemies de spawn before the countdown ends, Warlock res and then you snipe the ogres. They fixed it so you just needed 1 person across the bridge and the rest is the same) and Crota would do stupid shit all of the time. Not to mention the early bug in his fight where if the host left when we went down, he stayed down forever.

PoE was meh. Skolas was fun imo, but he was the only fun part of that entire thing. The story missions for that one sucked though.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Destiny was advertised as a huge MMO FPS for consoles. They were billing it as a game that would last for 10 years with tons of content released every year and you'd keep your character throughout the process.

so you bought into marketing hype without doing actual research, this is why they have giant marketing budgets


sktgamer_13dude posted...

It fucked over anyone who bought the game Day 1, which should never be the gameplan of a company. Yeah, you want new players, but you also don't want to piss off the loyal base and make it so no one can play with the Year 2 noobies.

You already got a solid chunk of content for your money. That being said, I was totally one of those suckers who bought all TTK stuff before the complete release came out... only played it for 3-4 weeks after. Still, I made the conscious choice to do it, I don't blame them.
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grade A shilling Virus for real lol, I hope they pay you well
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BignutzisBack posted...

grade A shilling Virus for real lol, I hope they pay you well

just instant ignore hey
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Virus731 posted...

thompsontalker7 posted...

Literally had to spend nearly $200 to be caught up from being an early adopter in Destiny 1 smh

Couldn't you have just waited for the $60 dollar complete edition, meaning only having to of spent $120? It's not like anyone forced you to buy DLC for a game you don't enjoy.

Point is, people are prepared to do that all over again starting next week with Destiny 2.

If you were playing Destiny 1 from day 1 that's how much you'd had to spend to be up to date, It's classic Activision scheming.
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thompsontalker7 posted...

Point is, people are prepared to do that all over again starting next week with Destiny 2.

If you were playing Destiny 1 from day 1 that's how much you'd had to spend to be up to date, It's classic Activision scheming.

You missed the part where they were devastated by the low review scores for Destiny 1. I imagine they are going to try desperately for Destiny 2 to make a good first impression with enough content to keep people entertained for more than a week.
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Some people just never learn. A fool and his money are easily parted.

I still can't believe there are people will fall for Activision's schemes after all this time
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ZombiePelican posted...

schemes

lol the way you villainize buying an optional game is hilarious
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ZombiePelican posted...

Some people just never learn. A fool and his money are easily parted.

I still can't believe there are people will fall for Activision's schemes after all this time

Virus is a shill lmao
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Virus731 posted...

You seem to be. I'm saying that Destiny at launch was a solid shooter that had at least 20-40 hours of enjoyable content. They even went as far to fire a boring VA and paying a brand new one as an admittance to their mistake... that and hiring Peter Dinklage long term would have been a massive pain in the ass.

No one forced anyone to buy the extra content, though I will admit as someone who bought it at launch, it was very difficult to swallow paying for the two expansions they released, but some could be said for people who bought WoW before Legion came out.... both Activision Blizzard games mind you.

Edit: In case people didn't know, I think it was when Legion came out that they offered all the WoW expansions previous for free, while the majority of people had paid 40USD for each.

Right. I'm saying the relative amount of content between something like WoW and Destiny is significant.

WoW had years in between expansions and many many more hours of content. It was very forthright with this model.

Destiny advertised itself as an MMO FPS like someone else mentioned. Instead, they gave the shell of a game that had potential, and split up a lot of content for the purpose of squeezing as much out of it as possible. I don't fault Bungie for this, they probably envisioned Destiny as it exists now. Activision was probably the nidus for releasing such a barebone initial product.

My whole point, which you continually seem to miss, is that I don't think Destiny was a great value. They were disingenuous with their marketing campaign, and faulting the consumer for not doing their research is a really fucked up way of looking at things. Destiny was a fun game, but god damn, is it that difficult to admit that it was a shady ordeal?

Of course no one forced the expansions on others. Of course it ultimately rests on the consumer to know what they are buying. The point is different developers and producers conduct themselves in different ways, and I'm not going to excuse worse behavior relative to other developers who don't do the same things to the same magnitude.

CoD is forthright with its annual release cycle and 4 DLC release cycle. WoW and other MMOs are pretty forthright with what they are offering. Destiny pulled a fast one on a lot of people.

I don't doubt Destiny 2 will be a fun game. But if I spend money on it, I endorse that behavior. The level at which they did it is where I draw the line personally.
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>Buying games at launch
>In 2017

Lol
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It doesn't really matter how complete it is at launch or not.

People are gonna buy it day one so they can level up their character and not have to catch up.

Considering how much grinding you were expected to do back in vanilla D1 I'm never getting back into this franchise ever again.
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The repeativness in D1 didn't bother me cause I never intended to play it everyday all year

After the first month or two I'm not playing much of the pve content I'm either hunting for certain guns or playing pvp.(
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Virus731 posted...

so you bought into marketing hype without doing actual research, this is why they have giant marketing budgets

I bought the game cause my friends did and I had fun during the beta. Stay upset that I'm criticizing a game though for the flaws it has.

I don't know why you're so butthurt that people are criticizing it. It was a fun game, but it was incredibly grindy, lacked content at release, incredibly buggy at times, and got expensive if you were a Day 1 player.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out the flaws in the game. I still had fun and I don't regret my purchases. But the game had a ton of flaws. Stop defending it so vehemently like pointing out flaws is a bad thing. It makes you look worse than the people just complaining to complain about it.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

I don't know why you're so butthurt that people are criticizing it. It was a fun game, but it was incredibly grindy, lacked content at release, incredibly buggy at times, and got expensive if you were a Day 1 player.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

I don't know why you're so butthurt that people are criticizing it.

all of those things I discussed in my posts, plz l2read
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I enjoyed Destiny for what it was. I'm excited to play that. Do I believe it will be a revelation? Hell no. They are going to repeat the same mistakes. The things that people are praising them for are things that should have been in the original game. However, I imagine it will be a fun time sink with a setting I like, as a continuation of a series I actually enjoyed, and I'll probably be able to sink a good 40 or so hours into it.

Virus731 posted...

all of those things I discussed in my posts, plz l2read

Your argument is "people are just hating the game cause it's popular!!!!!"

No, the game had flaws. Stop acting like it didn't.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Virus731 posted...

all of those things I discussed in my posts, plz l2read

Your argument is "people are just hating the game cause it's popular!!!!!"

No, the game had flaws. Stop acting like it didn't.

It had major flaws mainly stationed around the fact that the destiny 1 they wanted to make was too big for bungie.
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I don't think it will be good and people will probably be disappointed again. History will repeat itself but I hope I'm wrong because I don't want to hear people complaining about the same issues that were present in the first Destiny.
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Apocalyptic posted...

I don't think it will be good and people will probably be disappointed again. History will repeat itself but I hope I'm wrong because I don't want to hear people complaining about the same issues that were present in the first Destiny.

If the leaks are true(which they are), it'll be disappointing for other reason

Base destiny 2 is a tand bigger (or smaller can't remember) than current d1

The question marks all seem to be around design choices they made, mainly the weapon system class system and pvp system.
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well I don't know why everyone is so salty

first was worth the purchase and the beta for destiny 2 was enjoyable, so I'll probably get it at launch. It helps if you have friends who are also getting it
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Mernardi posted...

Normally, I don't judge people for whatever game they like, but didn't you guys learn your lesson from Destiny 1 lmao?

Right? I refuse to go anywhere near that cashcow until it is 100% complete. Will never support those developers again due to the shit they pulled for day 1 buyers.
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gamepimp12 posted...

Apocalyptic posted...

I don't think it will be good and people will probably be disappointed again. History will repeat itself but I hope I'm wrong because I don't want to hear people complaining about the same issues that were present in the first Destiny.

If the leaks are true(which they are), it'll be disappointing for other reason

Base destiny 2 is a tand bigger (or smaller can't remember) than current d1

The question marks all seem to be around design choices they made, mainly the weapon system class system and pvp system.

Are you talking about these leaks?


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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

Destiny was fun, but wasn't worth the money investment.

I played the Beta, played the full game from launch and enjoyed the game. my buddies, myself, and the majority of the internet itself noticed obvious paths were blocked off in the game. as if it were to be used for content ALREADY IN THE GAME, but simply not accessible. certain events and cut scenes were never actually in the game itself, so it raised certain questions.

anyway, it was fun but wasn't worth the investment. too expensive for so little. if it weren't for this, I'd likely be down to buy.

This is p much how I felt about it. Disappointing at launch but me and my friends still managed to find fun in it. But I won't be buying the sequel.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

MrDrMan posted...

Why are people buying Destiny 2 at all?

I don't understand. The concept is up my alley but the game just isn't much fun. I'd much rather play Diablo for a grind/lootfest.

Because the game was fun and the raids were amazing. King's Fall and VoG are some of the funnest game experiences in my life. Crota's End was ok, but extremely buggy. Like only 1 person had to do the Thrall Way, you just needed a Warlock to do the bridge (everyone jump off, enemies de spawn before the countdown ends, Warlock res and then you snipe the ogres. They fixed it so you just needed 1 person across the bridge and the rest is the same) and Crota would do stupid shit all of the time. Not to mention the early bug in his fight where if the host left when we went down, he stayed down forever.

PoE was meh. Skolas was fun imo, but he was the only fun part of that entire thing. The story missions for that one sucked though.

God the raid cheeses were so fucking dumb. It felt so dumb to me to play a game in a way where you didn't actually intend to be challenged by the game, so you could get better loot that would presumably make it easier for you to take on those challenges, only for you to continue avoiding the challenges. And no one ever wanted to do anything but cheeses. I tried to get my group to do legit raids a few times but there were always a couple that just wanted to do cheeses because muh eazy loot or some other stupid shit liek they had to go to bed soon. That Crota host drop wasn't even a cheese either, that was just a straight up bug exploit. They should have banned people for that one.
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Virus731 posted...

so you bought into marketing hype without doing actual research, this is why they have giant marketing budgets

What the hell kind of stupid logic is this? It's consumers' fault for buying into marketing hype and then being disappointed by a game, and then it's also consumers fault for not trusting a company enough when they say they've fixed things? Fuck outta here with that.
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Apocalyptic posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

Apocalyptic posted...

I don't think it will be good and people will probably be disappointed again. History will repeat itself but I hope I'm wrong because I don't want to hear people complaining about the same issues that were present in the first Destiny.

If the leaks are true(which they are), it'll be disappointing for other reason

Base destiny 2 is a tand bigger (or smaller can't remember) than current d1

The question marks all seem to be around design choices they made, mainly the weapon system class system and pvp system.

Are you talking about these leaks?

Kinda that leak basically confirms other leaks that said it's a large post story campaign as well and that strikes are being added as free live team events
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stoltenberg11 posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

MrDrMan posted...

Why are people buying Destiny 2 at all?

I don't understand. The concept is up my alley but the game just isn't much fun. I'd much rather play Diablo for a grind/lootfest.

Because the game was fun and the raids were amazing. King's Fall and VoG are some of the funnest game experiences in my life. Crota's End was ok, but extremely buggy. Like only 1 person had to do the Thrall Way, you just needed a Warlock to do the bridge (everyone jump off, enemies de spawn before the countdown ends, Warlock res and then you snipe the ogres. They fixed it so you just needed 1 person across the bridge and the rest is the same) and Crota would do stupid shit all of the time. Not to mention the early bug in his fight where if the host left when we went down, he stayed down forever.

PoE was meh. Skolas was fun imo, but he was the only fun part of that entire thing. The story missions for that one sucked though.

God the raid cheeses were so fucking dumb. It felt so dumb to me to play a game in a way where you didn't actually intend to be challenged by the game, so you could get better loot that would presumably make it easier for you to take on those challenges, only for you to continue avoiding the challenges. And no one ever wanted to do anything but cheeses. I tried to get my group to do legit raids a few times but there were always a couple that just wanted to do cheeses because muh eazy loot or some other stupid shit liek they had to go to bed soon. That Crota host drop wasn't even a cheese either, that was just a straight up bug exploit. They should have banned people for that one.

The thing with crota, until the ledge strat was discovered it was pretty hard to do and no one wanted to waste time with randoms doing it.
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gamepimp12 posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

MrDrMan posted...

Why are people buying Destiny 2 at all?

I don't understand. The concept is up my alley but the game just isn't much fun. I'd much rather play Diablo for a grind/lootfest.

Because the game was fun and the raids were amazing. King's Fall and VoG are some of the funnest game experiences in my life. Crota's End was ok, but extremely buggy. Like only 1 person had to do the Thrall Way, you just needed a Warlock to do the bridge (everyone jump off, enemies de spawn before the countdown ends, Warlock res and then you snipe the ogres. They fixed it so you just needed 1 person across the bridge and the rest is the same) and Crota would do stupid shit all of the time. Not to mention the early bug in his fight where if the host left when we went down, he stayed down forever.

PoE was meh. Skolas was fun imo, but he was the only fun part of that entire thing. The story missions for that one sucked though.

God the raid cheeses were so fucking dumb. It felt so dumb to me to play a game in a way where you didn't actually intend to be challenged by the game, so you could get better loot that would presumably make it easier for you to take on those challenges, only for you to continue avoiding the challenges. And no one ever wanted to do anything but cheeses. I tried to get my group to do legit raids a few times but there were always a couple that just wanted to do cheeses because muh eazy loot or some other stupid shit liek they had to go to bed soon. That Crota host drop wasn't even a cheese either, that was just a straight up bug exploit. They should have banned people for that one.

The thing with crota, until the ledge strat was discovered it was pretty hard to do and no one wanted to waste time with randoms doing it.

And all the LFG groups were like "must have gally or you can't join".

CE was almost impossible on hard mode without Gjallarhorn. That raid was overall pretty bad. The only fun part was the Ir Yut (I think that was her name. The witch/wizard that you have to kill in 2 minutes) part but it was only fun if you had Gjallarhorn because you could one shot the thing protecting the door and then you could all unload on her.

VoG and KF were waaaaaaaaaay better. Had a lot of fun memories with KF and my raid group, even though the drops were terrible 95% of the time. Except you couldn't do hard mode unless RNG blessed you with good drops.
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Crota' actually my favorite raid cause I enjoyed the pace and chaos to it
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Capital_Tenant posted...

>Buying games at launch
>In 2017

Lol

Nier Automata was worth every penny.
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thompsontalker7 posted...

Capital_Tenant posted...

>Buying games at launch
>In 2017

Lol

Nier Automata was worth every penny.

so was Nex Machina, but like nobody on CE plays OG games
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I bought it because the beta was smooth af for gameplay and abilities. Plus I put a lot of time into D1 for only buying the Taken King edition for like $25.

Whether your opinion is right or not TC, it was a solid game and well rounded. Plus you could play it with friends or random clans. Which is leagues better than a lot of "team" games nowadays.
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