Current Events > Should nazis have the right to free speech until they commit a crime?

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averagejoel posted...

darkjedilink posted...

averagejoel posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Except it already happened. In Germany. Led to the Holocaust.

persecution of nazis didn't lead to the holocaust

No, but persecution of people deemed 'the bad guy' did.

the key difference is that Jews... are not actually bad guys

You can make anyone out to be the bad guy. Which is the point - if you legally separate a group of people, you can attack literally anyone.

Antifa attacks their own members over haircuts because of their fight against the white supremacist boogeyman.
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BootyGif posted...

gunplagirl posted...

BootyGif posted...

I love how the conservatives want to tolerate nazis but can't stand Islam in any form

Nazis look like them

That's the key difference

Sadly true

I love how liberals fall over themselves defending Islam but can't stand literally any non-Muslim who disagrees with them in any form.
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^ that story turned out to be a lie

Edit: at post 102
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I dont think you guys really understand how people viewed jews in the early 1900...
Hating jews was acceptable.
Henry Ford believed that they were responsible for the first world war, and he spread anti-jew propaganda in his newspapers. People seriously believed that jews were evil masterminds responsible for everything bad that happened.
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BootyGif posted...

gunplagirl posted...

BootyGif posted...

I love how the conservatives want to tolerate nazis but can't stand Islam in any form

Nazis look like them

That's the key difference

Sadly true

Whose alt is this clown?
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Wow people in here are such experts on what's a Nazi and what isn't. What free speech should be accepted.

Most of the people on here are white and self cucking themselves for VIRTUE. You are not no hero, never will be.

Free speech is FREE, you can not stop what comes out of their mouths and no, it shouldn't have consequences. If that's the case then alot of people as kids should be tried for racial slurs, homophobic slurs etc etc. Quit the whining, you hear about various rallies, go if you want, but to go looking for trouble, chances are you'll find it.
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darkjedilink posted...

averagejoel posted...

darkjedilink posted...

averagejoel posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Except it already happened. In Germany. Led to the Holocaust.

persecution of nazis didn't lead to the holocaust

No, but persecution of people deemed 'the bad guy' did.

the key difference is that Jews... are not actually bad guys

You can make anyone out to be the bad guy. Which is the point - if you legally separate a group of people, you can attack literally anyone.

Antifa attacks their own members over haircuts because of their fight against the white supremacist boogeyman.

but Nazism is inherently violent. they are inherently bad guys because of their ideology.

their history also supports this

also, re: that story about antifa:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/nidhiprakash/this-man-says-he-was-mistaken-for-a-neo-nazi-and-stabbed

A man who claimed that he was stabbed after being mistaken for a neo-Nazi now admits that he made the whole story up after accidentally stabbing himself.

Joshua Witt, 26, told police two weeks ago that he was getting out of his car in the parking lot of a Steak 'n Shake in Sheridan, Colorado, when a man came over to him and attacked him with a knife.

On Monday, the Sheridan Police Department told BuzzFeed News in a statement that Witt admitted to making the story up after police confronted him with evidence that the attack never took place.

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^ they have the same basic ideology, though
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Yes, but I also think their ideology is awful enough that we should be able to punch them in the face without any negative repercussions.
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fenderbender321 posted...

The German Nazis in WW2 were bad because they were actively participating and upholding a regime using force and violence that executed people for their religion/race/etc.

The Nazis of today walking around in the US don't do that.

but they want to, and they need to be stopped by any means necessary
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boxington posted...

^ that story turned out to be a lie

Edit: at post 102

No, the dude who got cut was lying. The Antifa member who got beat up by other Antifa members because of his 'Nazi haircut' actually got beat up. It was caught on video.
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oh sorry, then.

thought that it was the same story.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

- a paraphrase of Voltaire

Your words fall on the deaf ears of the leftist communists of this board.
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KillerKhan420 posted...

There are no more nazis. The only nazis out there are destroying statues and trying to be thought police

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Also, the best part is one side of this debate will be carrying guns. The other side has 14 genders and a safe space.
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darkjedilink posted...

BootyGif posted...

gunplagirl posted...

BootyGif posted...

I love how the conservatives want to tolerate nazis but can't stand Islam in any form

Nazis look like them

That's the key difference

Sadly true

I love how liberals fall over themselves defending Islam but can't stand literally any non-Muslim who disagrees with them in any form.

Lern 2 reed
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So I have a serious question about ww2 and if anybody knows the answer please explain.

So the original rise of fascism leading up to ww2 in Germany was because the minority Jewish population in Germany controlled most of the wealth and for whatever reason many Germans became jobless and poor. Many suffered from starvation. Fast forward some years and the Nazi rose to power and the holocaust happened.

So..... where did the mantra of being pure race come from? Hitler wanted to even go into eastern Europe and genocide the people there as well. Heck he wanted to invade most of Europe.

Wtf happened between "let's save our country from the economic crisis we're in" to "let's invade Europe and kill all non pure white race people"????
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Ryushosen_Zan posted...

Also, the best part is one side of this debate will be carrying guns. The other side has 14 genders and a safe space.

a lot of leftists are armed to the teeth
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Wtf happened between "let's save our country from the economic crisis we're in" to "let's invade Europe and kill all non pure white race people"????

the government got power
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If you give the state the power to silence "dangerous ideologies", they're going to be shutting down BLM and Antifa too. Any group that threatens the status quo is going to be shut down. Not just Neo Nazis.
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CADE FOSTER posted...

Those guys spit in the face of all the ww2 heroes that died fighting the nazis its a fucking disgrace to america

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LRodC posted...

Thoughts?

It's not really about should or shouldn't. They DO have the right to free speech as long as they don't commit a crime.
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shiby with it posted...

Yes, but I also think their ideology is awful enough that we should be able to punch them in the face without any negative repercussions.

So you don't believe in free speech.
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darkjedilink posted...

shiby with it posted...

Yes, but I also think their ideology is awful enough that we should be able to punch them in the face without any negative repercussions.

So you don't believe in free speech.

Most members of communism don't.
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Short answer.....Hell the **** no. I'm all for punching nazi protestors.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

So I have a serious question about ww2 and if anybody knows the answer please explain.

So the original rise of fascism leading up to ww2 in Germany was because the minority Jewish population in Germany controlled most of the wealth and for whatever reason many Germans became jobless and poor. Many suffered from starvation. Fast forward some years and the Nazi rose to power and the holocaust happened.

So..... where did the mantra of being pure race come from? Hitler wanted to even go into eastern Europe and genocide the people there as well. Heck he wanted to invade most of Europe.

Wtf happened between "let's save our country from the economic crisis we're in" to "let's invade Europe and kill all non pure white race people"????

The pure race existed since day one.
It was a "Us VS Them" thing that made Germans feel better. The first thing they invaded, the name is gone from my memory at the moment, used to belong to Germany in the past, and it had a big population of Germans. The German state was finally whole again, and the people felt like a big family again.
The best way to gather a group of people is to create a common enemy. By putting Germans above other races, they also had the right to rule over them. Since jews were already hated, were a small portion of the population and were rich, they were the perfect group to start with. Once you start, it is easy to add other hated groups. Homosexuals were believed to be unnatural and are thereby easy to hate, lets add them. Dysfunctionals got bad genes, cant spread those bad genes with our pure race, lets add them.
Other subraces? They only deserve to live to serve us, if they cant do that... kill them.
One thing to remember is that we used to believe in these race things back then. Science told us that lower races had smaller heads, which of course happened to be the "randomly" selected blacks, and the white master race had bigger heads and thereby were more intelligent and thereby deserved to rule the lower races. That you can find blacks with bigger heads than whites were just mutations that tried to trick us, of course.
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darkjedilink posted...

shiby with it posted...

Yes, but I also think their ideology is awful enough that we should be able to punch them in the face without any negative repercussions.

So you don't believe in free speech.

I do, however, also believe in social repercussions.
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shiby with it posted...

darkjedilink posted...

shiby with it posted...

Yes, but I also think their ideology is awful enough that we should be able to punch them in the face without any negative repercussions.

So you don't believe in free speech.

I do, however, also believe in social repercussions.

Violence is legitimate social repercussions for speech you disagree with?
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I dont like that you believe in a forgiving Christ, thereby I can punch you!
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Yes, but the right to free speech doesn't mean the right to not be criticized. Counterprotests and public shaming are protected by the exact same rights that allow them to express their own hateful views.
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Yeah, but that doesn't protect them from the social consequences of exercising their hateful speech. Everyone else has freedom as well after all.
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CircleOfManias posted...

Yes, but the right to free speech doesn't mean the right to not be criticized. Counterprotests and public shaming are protected by the exact same rights that allow them to express their own hateful views.

So long as said counterprotesters are held to the same legal standard.

Antifa didn't get a permit in Charlottesville. The Nazis did. Ergo, Antifa broke the law and violated the civil rights of those they counterprotested.

How many Antifa members were held accountable for this?
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Ugh can we stop making Charlottesville out to be White Supremacists vs Antifa. The counterprotest was a diverse group that Antifa-related people only made up a portion of.

Also, why do you even need a permit to protest? We should get rid of that shit. It hurts the ability to guerrilla protest.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Also, why do you even need a permit to protest?

So that the locality knows ahead of time, and can mobilize appropriate public resources.

We already do not have unlimited free speech and speech that leads to imminent violence sch as threats or hate speech are already not allowed.


So depending on the content of their speech, it is totally not fine that they say it. Yeah sure, whatever call yourself the master race and wanting a white america, I guess... don't go promoting genocide or anything, though.
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Xelltrix posted...

We already do not have unlimited free speech and speech that leads to imminent violence sch as threats or hate speech are already not allowed.


So depending on the content of their speech, it is totally not fine that they say it. Yeah sure, whatever call yourself the master race and wanting a white america, I guess... don't go promoting genocide or anything, though.

Literally not true. The only limits are on speech that legitimately instructs violence.
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darkjedilink posted...

Xelltrix posted...

We already do not have unlimited free speech and speech that leads to imminent violence sch as threats or hate speech are already not allowed.


So depending on the content of their speech, it is totally not fine that they say it. Yeah sure, whatever call yourself the master race and wanting a white america, I guess... don't go promoting genocide or anything, though.

Literally not true. The only limits are on speech that legitimately instructs violence.

Literally court cases in favor of my statement.
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darkjedilink posted...

Literally not true. The only limits are on speech that legitimately instructs violence.

Not exactly.

For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States

darkjedilink posted...

CircleOfManias posted...

Yes, but the right to free speech doesn't mean the right to not be criticized. Counterprotests and public shaming are protected by the exact same rights that allow them to express their own hateful views.

So long as said counterprotesters are held to the same legal standard.

Antifa didn't get a permit in Charlottesville. The Nazis did. Ergo, Antifa broke the law and violated the civil rights of those they counterprotested.

How many Antifa members were held accountable for this?

Literally nothing but lies bro.
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