Current Events > Race baiting NFL player says Kaepernick isn't in NFL because lack of talent

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CruelBuffalo 08/25/17 12:43:36 PM #1:	https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/8/24/16199908/lesean-mccoy-colin-kaepernick-bad-take-national-anthem-protest Lol McCoy is an interesting person <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:885427749] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/8/24/16199908/lesean-mccoy-colin-kaepernick-bad-take-national-anthem-protest Lol McCoy is an interesting person</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 08/25/17 12:45:16 PM #2:	I know basically zero about football but I got the impression that this guy was a decidedly average player? --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:885427852] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>I know basically zero about football but I got the impression that this guy was a decidedly average player?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 08/25/17 12:46:31 PM #3:	Kaepernick's biggest problem is that zone read offenses aren't as effective in the NFL any more. QBs like him and Tebow shined while NFL defenses were still trying to figure out how to best defend against it. Now, though, an offense based on zone read just won't work very well at all. --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:885427922] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>Kaepernick's biggest problem is that zone read offenses aren't as effective in the NFL any more. QBs like him and Tebow shined while NFL defenses were still trying to figure out how to best defend against it. Now, though, an offense based on zone read just won't work very well at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 08/25/17 12:48:30 PM #4:	pinky0926 posted... I know basically zero about football but I got the impression that this guy was a decidedly average player? Correct. He's not garbage like some people pretend he is to justify hate. But he's an average QB. He has a big media circus behind him tho which may scare some people <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:885428041] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>I know basically zero about football but I got the impression that this guy was a decidedly average player?</quote> Correct. He's not garbage like some people pretend he is to justify hate. But he's an average QB. He has a big media circus behind him tho which may scare some people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/25/17 12:48:30 PM #5:	I don't have any strong opinions on this issue, but I love how the article completely overlooked any nuance in McCoy's statement despite the fact that they quoted him. He already admitted that Kaep's protests might have something to do with it. He didn't attribute it to any one factor, stating that if Kaep were a better player then teams might ignore the controversy he brings. "It’s a lot more than just he’s not on the team because he doesn’t want to stand for the national anthem," McCoy said, via Jay Skurski of the Buffalo News. "That may have something to do with it, but I think also it has a lot to do with his play. I’m sure a lot of teams wouldn’t want him as their starting quarterback. That chaos that comes along with it, it’s a lot. “There’s certain players that could be on the team with big distractions, and there’s other players that it’s not good enough or not worth it. I think his situation is not good enough to have him on the team with all the attention that comes along with it." --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885428042] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>I don't have any strong opinions on this issue, but I love how the article completely overlooked any nuance in McCoy's statement despite the fact that they quoted him. He already admitted that Kaep's protests might have something to do with it. He didn't attribute it to any one factor, stating that if Kaep were a better player then teams might ignore the controversy he brings. <quote>"It’s a lot more than just he’s not on the team because he doesn’t want to stand for the national anthem," McCoy said, via Jay Skurski of the Buffalo News. "That may have something to do with it, but I think also it has a lot to do with his play. I’m sure a lot of teams wouldn’t want him as their starting quarterback. That chaos that comes along with it, it’s a lot. “There’s certain players that could be on the team with big distractions, and there’s other players that it’s not good enough or not worth it. I think his situation is not good enough to have him on the team with all the attention that comes along with it."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 08/25/17 12:49:35 PM #6:	pinky0926 posted... I know basically zero about football but I got the impression that this guy was a decidedly average player? I don't know much about football either, but yeah, he's an average player in a mix with the best in the world. That's what I understand. Does his protest have something to do with some of the teams not offering him a contract? Yeah, I'm sure there are, but it's not all of them. --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:885428103] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>I know basically zero about football but I got the impression that this guy was a decidedly average player?</quote> I don't know much about football either, but yeah, he's an average player in a mix with the best in the world. That's what I understand. Does his protest have something to do with some of the teams not offering him a contract? Yeah, I'm sure there are, but it's not all of them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/25/17 12:50:00 PM #7:	didnt a white football dummy recently take the knee during the national anthem because he has a black girlfriend or something --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:885428126] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>didnt a white football dummy recently take the knee during the national anthem because he has a black girlfriend or something</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 08/25/17 12:51:47 PM #8:	That idiot reminds me of a certain racist user --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:885428222] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>That idiot reminds me of a certain racist user</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
justaguy3492 08/25/17 12:55:00 PM #9:	What it comes down to is his talent doesn't out weight the negative press that surrounds him. Whether you agree or disagree with the guy, you can admit his opinions can be pretty divisive and that's never good for a professional sports team. However, there have been players that have done way more or way worse things and they have been kept on a team. So what it comes down to is yes he may be good enough to be a backup or maybe a low tier starter in the NFL, but in the minds of owners and coaches that isn't enough to overcome the negative attention the team that signs him may or may not get --- Gt: justaguy3492 <cite>justaguy3492 posted [p:885428393] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>What it comes down to is his talent doesn't out weight the negative press that surrounds him. Whether you agree or disagree with the guy, you can admit his opinions can be pretty divisive and that's never good for a professional sports team. However, there have been players that have done way more or way worse things and they have been kept on a team. So what it comes down to is yes he may be good enough to be a backup or maybe a low tier starter in the NFL, but in the minds of owners and coaches that isn't enough to overcome the negative attention the team that signs him may or may not get</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 08/25/17 12:56:33 PM #10:	I mean if we are taking football players opinions seriously now, i can find you several current players who see the bullshit for what it is and think kap is good enough to be on a team --- No one gets in the way of my frisbee games! NO ONE! <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:885428484] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>I mean if we are taking football players opinions seriously now, i can find you several current players who see the bullshit for what it is and think kap is good enough to be on a team</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/25/17 12:56:46 PM #11:	pinky0926 posted... I know basically zero about football but I got the impression that this guy was a decidedly average player? Kaepernick is a below-average player at the QB position even in schemes designed to take advantage of him. He had a great rookie season, and has been shit since. He cannot play QB in regular offensive schemes. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:885428493] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>I know basically zero about football but I got the impression that this guy was a decidedly average player?</quote> Kaepernick is a below-average player at the QB position even in schemes designed to take advantage of him. He had a great rookie season, and has been shit since. He cannot play QB in regular offensive schemes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biofighter55 08/25/17 12:56:48 PM #12:	Sad to say, he's right. if he was a great player, Teams would go for him despite his protest. But he's an average player, so they decide he's not worth the trouble. --- This is my sig. Don't like it, then don't look at it. <cite>Biofighter55 posted [p:885428495] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>Sad to say, he's right. if he was a great player, Teams would go for him despite his protest. But he's an average player, so they decide he's not worth the trouble.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 08/25/17 1:00:18 PM #13:	darkjedilink posted... pinky0926 posted... I know basically zero about football but I got the impression that this guy was a decidedly average player? Kaepernick is a below-average player at the QB position even in schemes designed to take advantage of him. He had a great rookie season, and has been shit since. He cannot play QB in regular offensive schemes. NFC Championship game 2013 <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:885428688] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>I know basically zero about football but I got the impression that this guy was a decidedly average player?</quote> Kaepernick is a below-average player at the QB position even in schemes designed to take advantage of him. He had a great rookie season, and has been shit since. He cannot play QB in regular offensive schemes.</quote> NFC Championship game 2013</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 08/25/17 1:01:00 PM #14:	Backups can't come with any baggage. That's the way it is. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:885428727] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>Backups can't come with any baggage. That's the way it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 08/25/17 1:01:38 PM #15:	Shady dropping a truth bomb. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:885428763] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>Shady dropping a truth bomb.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 08/25/17 1:03:15 PM #16:	Saying he lacks talent isn't race baiting anymore then saying Tebow lack talent is christian persecution. --- when you stub your toes it's the SJWs fualt. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:885428841] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>Saying he lacks talent isn't race baiting anymore then saying Tebow lack talent is christian persecution.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/25/17 1:03:16 PM #17:	FrisbeeDude posted... I mean if we are taking football players opinions seriously now, i can find you several current players who see the bullshit for what it is and think kap is good enough to be on a team What team would he be an improvement for? The only teams that run a scheme he's potentially compatible with are Carolina and Seattle. Do you think he would make those teams better? As a backup? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:885428842] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>I mean if we are taking football players opinions seriously now, i can find you several current players who see the bullshit for what it is and think kap is good enough to be on a team</quote> What team would he be an improvement for? The only teams that run a scheme he's potentially compatible with are Carolina and Seattle. Do you think he would make those teams better? As a backup?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iosifsvoboda 08/25/17 1:07:08 PM #18:	CableZL posted... Kaepernick's biggest problem is that zone read offenses aren't as effective in the NFL any more. QBs like him and Tebow shined while NFL defenses were still trying to figure out how to best defend against it. Now, though, an offense based on zone read just won't work very well at all. He is and has been more than a zone read QB though. Also no one really ran the zone read professionally. Chip Kelly chickened out and was running predetermined plays that operated out of the zone read motions but never had the QB make a read let alone run it with a QB that had any athleticism. And what makes zone read effective in the first place is that you cannot defend it unless the defender you decide to let free can be in two places st once --- ^_^ <cite>iosifsvoboda posted [p:885429040] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote>Kaepernick's biggest problem is that zone read offenses aren't as effective in the NFL any more. QBs like him and Tebow shined while NFL defenses were still trying to figure out how to best defend against it. Now, though, an offense based on zone read just won't work very well at all.</quote> He is and has been more than a zone read QB though. Also no one really ran the zone read professionally. Chip Kelly chickened out and was running predetermined plays that operated out of the zone read motions but never had the QB make a read let alone run it with a QB that had any athleticism. And what makes zone read effective in the first place is that you cannot defend it unless the defender you decide to let free can be in two places st once</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 08/25/17 1:09:19 PM #19:	https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/ImpeccableImpeccableAnnashummingbird --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:885429150] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/ImpeccableImpeccableAnnashummingbird</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 08/25/17 1:10:56 PM #20:	Caution999 posted... https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/ImpeccableImpeccableAnnashummingbird Lets be serious, he'd have thrown a missile right over Smith's head if he tried to throw a hot read. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:885429240] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/ImpeccableImpeccableAnnashummingbird</quote> Lets be serious, he'd have thrown a missile right over Smith's head if he tried to throw a hot read.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 08/25/17 1:38:21 PM #21:	creativerealms posted... Saying he lacks talent isn't race baiting anymore then saying Tebow lack talent is christian persecution. I'm speaking of McCoy tantrum toward Chip Kelly <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:885430707] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>Saying he lacks talent isn't race baiting anymore then saying Tebow lack talent is christian persecution.</quote> I'm speaking of McCoy tantrum toward Chip Kelly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bok_Choi 08/25/17 1:43:10 PM #22:	Caution999 posted... https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/ImpeccableImpeccableAnnashummingbird different systems have difference lee-way for QBs to make changes at the line of scrimmage they were backed up to the end zone and taking a sack there is a safety running was the safer option --- I'm a good person. http://i.imgur.com/uj8LmVSl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xPDF9Y0.jpg <cite>Bok_Choi posted [p:885430963] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/ImpeccableImpeccableAnnashummingbird</quote> different systems have difference lee-way for QBs to make changes at the line of scrimmage they were backed up to the end zone and taking a sack there is a safety running was the safer option</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Milkman5 08/25/17 1:45:17 PM #23:	Did you guys even read what he said? He's objectively right. "It’s a lot more than just he’s not on the team because he doesn’t want to stand for the national anthem," McCoy said, via Jay Skurski of the Buffalo News. "That may have something to do with it, but I think also it has a lot to do with his play. I’m sure a lot of teams wouldn’t want him as their starting quarterback. That chaos that comes along with it, it’s a lot. “There’s certain players that could be on the team with big distractions, and there’s other players that it’s not good enough or not worth it. I think his situation is not good enough to have him on the team with all the attention that comes along with it." McCoy said that for an elite player, like Tom Brady, teams would be willing to look past it. But not for Kaepernick. <cite>Milkman5 posted [p:885431084] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>Did you guys even read what he said? He's objectively right. <quote>"It’s a lot more than just he’s not on the team because he doesn’t want to stand for the national anthem," McCoy said, via Jay Skurski of the Buffalo News. "That may have something to do with it, but I think also it has a lot to do with his play. I’m sure a lot of teams wouldn’t want him as their starting quarterback. That chaos that comes along with it, it’s a lot. “There’s certain players that could be on the team with big distractions, and there’s other players that it’s not good enough or not worth it. I think his situation is not good enough to have him on the team with all the attention that comes along with it." McCoy said that for an elite player, like Tom Brady, teams would be willing to look past it. But not for Kaepernick.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bok_Choi 08/25/17 1:46:17 PM #24:	Milkman5 posted... Did you guys even read what he said? He's objectively right. "It’s a lot more than just he’s not on the team because he doesn’t want to stand for the national anthem," McCoy said, via Jay Skurski of the Buffalo News. "That may have something to do with it, but I think also it has a lot to do with his play. I’m sure a lot of teams wouldn’t want him as their starting quarterback. That chaos that comes along with it, it’s a lot. “There’s certain players that could be on the team with big distractions, and there’s other players that it’s not good enough or not worth it. I think his situation is not good enough to have him on the team with all the attention that comes along with it." McCoy said that for an elite player, like Tom Brady, teams would be willing to look past it. But not for Kaepernick. "A guy who wants to protest police brutality and racism in the United States is too much distraction for the NFL" at this point, the NFL and its viewers that enable this kind of thing are the ones with a problem btw if YOU actually read the article you'd see that Colin Kaepernick is not actually that bad, and compared to some QBs who DO have a team, he's much better. There's literally zero reason he's still unsigned. Other than being blackballed, probably. Anyone who talks about his performance drop-off, it correlates with the departure of the only coach who actually wanted Kaepernick on the team I guess, Jim Harbaugh --- I'm a good person. http://i.imgur.com/uj8LmVSl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xPDF9Y0.jpg <cite>Bok_Choi posted [p:885431138] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Milkman5 posted...</cite> <quote>Did you guys even read what he said? He's objectively right. <quote>"It’s a lot more than just he’s not on the team because he doesn’t want to stand for the national anthem," McCoy said, via Jay Skurski of the Buffalo News. "That may have something to do with it, but I think also it has a lot to do with his play. I’m sure a lot of teams wouldn’t want him as their starting quarterback. That chaos that comes along with it, it’s a lot. “There’s certain players that could be on the team with big distractions, and there’s other players that it’s not good enough or not worth it. I think his situation is not good enough to have him on the team with all the attention that comes along with it." McCoy said that for an elite player, like Tom Brady, teams would be willing to look past it. But not for Kaepernick.</quote></quote> "A guy who wants to protest police brutality and racism in the United States is too much distraction for the NFL" at this point, the NFL and its viewers that enable this kind of thing are the ones with a problem btw if YOU actually read the article you'd see that Colin Kaepernick is not actually that bad, and compared to some QBs who DO have a team, he's much better. There's literally zero reason he's still unsigned. Other than being blackballed, probably. Anyone who talks about his performance drop-off, it correlates with the departure of the only coach who actually wanted Kaepernick on the team I guess, Jim Harbaugh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 08/25/17 1:47:17 PM #25:	Bok_Choi posted... Caution999 posted... https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/ImpeccableImpeccableAnnashummingbird different systems have difference lee-way for QBs to make changes at the line of scrimmage they were backed up to the end zone and taking a sack there is a safety running was the safer option lmao at Kaepernick getting sacked on a one step drop --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:885431192] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bok_Choi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/ImpeccableImpeccableAnnashummingbird</quote> different systems have difference lee-way for QBs to make changes at the line of scrimmage they were backed up to the end zone and taking a sack there is a safety running was the safer option</quote> lmao at Kaepernick getting sacked on a one step drop</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bok_Choi 08/25/17 1:48:48 PM #26:	ThePrinceFish posted... Bok_Choi posted... Caution999 posted... https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/ImpeccableImpeccableAnnashummingbird different systems have difference lee-way for QBs to make changes at the line of scrimmage they were backed up to the end zone and taking a sack there is a safety running was the safer option lmao at Kaepernick getting sacked on a one step drop They were playing the Rams Maybe you did not know this but the Rams have a killer front seven I mean the play almost got blown up as it is - and it was a running play --- I'm a good person. http://i.imgur.com/uj8LmVSl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xPDF9Y0.jpg <cite>Bok_Choi posted [p:885431282] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePrinceFish posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bok_Choi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/ImpeccableImpeccableAnnashummingbird</quote> different systems have difference lee-way for QBs to make changes at the line of scrimmage they were backed up to the end zone and taking a sack there is a safety running was the safer option</quote> lmao at Kaepernick getting sacked on a one step drop</quote> They were playing the Rams Maybe you did not know this but the Rams have a killer front seven I mean the play almost got blown up as it is - and it was a running play</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VectorChaos 08/25/17 1:49:38 PM #27:	Are we still pretending everyone who doesn't want him must be an evil racist and there is no other possible explanation other than racism? --- PSN VectorChaos http://i.imgur.com/ftMERkZ.jpg XBL Vector Chaos http://i.imgur.com/10hWZ95.png http://i.imgur.com/MZMOLx0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/R2jRl8F.jpg <cite>VectorChaos posted [p:885431317] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote>Are we still pretending everyone who doesn't want him must be an evil racist and there is no other possible explanation other than racism?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 08/25/17 1:50:06 PM #28:	Bok_Choi posted... I mean the play almost got blown up as it is - and it was a running play well yeah they weren't even bothering to cover receivers --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:885431341] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bok_Choi posted...</cite> <quote>I mean the play almost got blown up as it is - and it was a running play </quote> well yeah they weren't even bothering to cover receivers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 08/25/17 1:52:45 PM #29:	Balrog0 posted... didnt a white football dummy recently take the knee during the national anthem because he has a black girlfriend or something Eh that isn't explicitly the reason, but yes. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:885431484] in Race baiti... [t:75707309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>didnt a white football dummy recently take the knee during the national anthem because he has a black girlfriend or something</quote> Eh that isn't explicitly the reason, but yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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