Current Events > Why didn't the wights (Game of thrones spoilers)

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Just start throwing shit at the Westeros seven when they were trapped in the ice?
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Because plot. Every single question can be answered by that. It's a fictional world created for entertainment. It is not real.
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the real question is why didnt the wights have bows like they did in the other scenes, theres like ten million wights and none of them thought to maybe fire an arrow at one of those dudes, or why didnt the night king just chuck one of those ice spears at jon snow?

this whole season has been playing out like a bad fanfiction tbh, a lot of half baked ideas implemented because i think they look visually cool. last nights ep was the most egregious example of this

I Like Toast posted...

Because plot. Every single question can be answered by that. It's a fictional world created for entertainment. It is not real.

yea but the whole draw of the series has always been how "realistic" this show is in the sense that it creates a world with rules and it plays by those rules without much movie magic. so when you see Ned Stark about to get beheaded you think "he's the main character, how is Ned going to get out of this one?" and GoT says "he's not." Now you have Dany flying down on her dragons Just In The Nick of Time to save everyone. Obviously there have been "made for TV" moments like this in the past but this whole season seems like it's been a long series of convenient moments and "safe" choices
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Romulox28 posted...

this whole season has been playing out like a bad fanfiction tbh, a lot of half baked ideas implemented because i think they look visually cool. last nights ep was the most egregious example of this

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because anytime someone needed to die there were more than seven

Romulox28 posted...

, or why didnt the night king just chuck one of those ice spears at jon snow?

clearly saving it for the dragons that he somehow knew were coming because reasons

the whole scene only makes sense if the night king knew that dany was coming with her dragons
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Darkman124 posted...

because anytime someone needed to die there were more than seven

Romulox28 posted...

, or why didnt the night king just chuck one of those ice spears at jon snow?

clearly saving it for the dragons that he somehow knew were coming because reasons

the whole scene only makes sense if the night king knew that dany was coming with her dragons

I'm sure he has some zombie ravens keeping tabs on everyone.
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I assume you mean the White Walkers, or specifically the Night King... We've seen that he has some level of greensight (or equivalent) ability when he detects Bran spying on him in Season 6. We don't know the full extent of his powers but it's possible that he can see parts of the future and was waiting in order to lure out Dany's dragons. I mean... maybe it's just the nature of his character, but he seemed to be pretty unimpressed with the dragons and he was also curiously well-prepared with several javelins.
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Because shut up.
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Romulox28 posted...

yea but the whole draw of the series has always been how "realistic" this show is

You have been watching a different show than the rest of us then...

Shit hasn't made sense in a while. Half the cast are time travelers at this point...
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Darkman124 posted...

clearly saving it for the dragons that he somehow knew were coming because reasons

the whole scene only makes sense if the night king knew that dany was coming with her dragons

this is probably the correct answer, but "It was all part of my plan!" belongs in the Schlocky Writing Hall of Fame right next to "There's no time!" (which they did in this episode when Benjen put Jon on the horse, said there's no time for him to go with him, and then almost immediately got devoured by wights lol).

The Deadpool posted...

You have been watching a different show than the rest of us then...

Shit hasn't made sense in a while. Half the cast are time travelers at this point...

I mean realistic in the sense that things tend to obey the rules of the world the show is in and the characters are only able to react realistically to the predicaments they're put in. so in my ned stark example, if this was any other show, someone would have saved Ned at the last minute, but in GoT the guy was in an inescapable situation and did not escape.

Obviously you can use a little movie magic and save people at the last minute, but if you over-use it the show starts to get cheesy. a good example of that for me is when Jaime Lannister is charging towards Daenarys to kill her, and the dragon stares straight at him and begins to blow fire, but just at the last second Bronn pushes them both into a lake and they swim to safety. Sure it makes for a scene that looks very cool visually, but Bronn coming In The Nick of Time and the show ignoring how they're both in full plate armor swimming to safety just comes across as cheap writing tbh. If this had happened in season 1 or 2, I bet Jaime would have been dead, end of story.
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Romulox28 posted...

yea but the whole draw of the series has always been how "realistic"

No, the entire draw of the show is multilayer plots that creates fun speculation to discuss between episodes. A willingness to kill main main characters. High production quality. And tits.

No one raves about the "reality" of it.
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Romulox28 posted...

Darkman124 posted...

clearly saving it for the dragons that he somehow knew were coming because reasons

the whole scene only makes sense if the night king knew that dany was coming with her dragons

this is probably the correct answer, but "It was all part of my plan!" belongs in the Schlocky Writing Hall of Fame right next to "There's no time!" (which they did in this episode when Benjen put Jon on the horse, said there's no time for him to go with him, and then almost immediately got devoured by wights lol).

I mean, you have characters that have been resurrected, fire breathing dragons, wargs, three eyed Ravens, etc. But the Night King possibly knowing the future is where we draw the line?
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there's clearly a lot of plot device things going on

Mernardi posted...

Romulox28 posted...

Darkman124 posted...

clearly saving it for the dragons that he somehow knew were coming because reasons

the whole scene only makes sense if the night king knew that dany was coming with her dragons

this is probably the correct answer, but "It was all part of my plan!" belongs in the Schlocky Writing Hall of Fame right next to "There's no time!" (which they did in this episode when Benjen put Jon on the horse, said there's no time for him to go with him, and then almost immediately got devoured by wights lol).

I mean, you have characters that have been resurrected, fire breathing dragons, wargs, three eyed Ravens, etc. But the Night King possibly knowing the future is where we draw the line?

I'm not saying I think it's dumb because it's not probable in the GoT universe, I'm saying it's dumb because it's cheesy comic book villain shit.
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I wonder why eastern watch (ugg, cant use eas****ch).
We initially believed easternwatch was a way for the undead to march AROUND the wall.

Now that the Night King has an creature of arson, theres a hush about taking part of the wall down as magics immovable force meets a magic seemingly unstoppable force.
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Romulox28 posted...

a good example of that for me is when Jaime Lannister is charging towards Daenarys to kill her, and the dragon stares straight at him and begins to blow fire, but just at the last second Bronn pushes them both into a lake and they swim to safety. Sure it makes for a scene that looks very cool visually, but Bronn coming In The Nick of Time and the show ignoring how they're both in full plate armor swimming to safety just comes across as cheap writing tbh. If this had happened in season 1 or 2, I bet Jaime would have been dead, end of story.

I think it was very telegraphed that he was going to die, so it wasn't surprising to me that he got saved.
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Romulox28 posted...

if this was any other show, someone would have saved Ned at the last minute, but in GoT the guy was in an inescapable situation and did not escape.

You think the show was realistic because they killed a guy?

The long winter and the march south of the undead is an inescapable situation. Do you think the heroes will lose?

Show is popular because it was Lord of the Rings with tits. It gets the "realistic" part because it shows cursing and whores and sick people and the audience feels it's "visceral" and buys into it.

People do shit because the plot says they do shit. It's been true for a while, and growing more obvious with every episode.
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It's almost the end of the road here. Whatever logic the show might have had is thrown right out the window
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The Deadpool posted...

People do shit because the plot says they do shit. It's been true for a while, and growing more obvious with every episode.

of course, it's still a TV show, but the GoT world just gave me the vibe that things dont just happen because the hero has to win. like with the Starks losing the war in S3, you don't expect that kind of stuff from a TV show imo.

and then on the flipside last night, you have a bunch of guys fighting off the army of the dead and the only one who dies is Thoros, who is honestly the most minor and least notable of that entire crew. you'd think it'd be more than just a bunch of redshirts. idk, maybe im being pedantic, GoT just feels a lot more predictable now in favor of having more flashy battles and shit
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Romulox28 posted...

GoT world just gave me the vibe that things dont just happen because the hero has to win.

Right. Because it has tits, and old people and cursing.

Romulox28 posted...

like with the Starks losing the war in S3,

Robb wasn't the hero...

The hero will win at the end. But there have to be setbacks along the way.
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Darkman124 posted...

because anytime someone needed to die there were more than seven

Romulox28 posted...

, or why didnt the night king just chuck one of those ice spears at jon snow?

clearly saving it for the dragons that he somehow knew were coming because reasons

the whole scene only makes sense if the night king knew that dany was coming with her dragons

I don't think it's a stretch to guess that the NK is probably a greenseer or something similar. He was able to move while Bran was in the realm of magic. He probably has a good deal of prior knowledge about events to come
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Wights aren't particularly intelligent. They're pretty mindless until given a command by a WW.
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Because the writers are probably challenged.
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Why did the Night King throw the spear at the flying dragon instead of the one one on the ground right in front of him with like 7 people on it?

Not really that big of a deal but the show didn't really show why he made the less intelligent decision.
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gamer167 posted...

Why did the Night King throw the spear at the flying dragon instead of the one one on the ground right in front of him with like 7 people on it?

Not really that big of a deal but the show didn't really show why he made the less intelligent decision.

Because the dragon flying was an active threat.
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gamer167 posted...

Why did the Night King throw the spear at the flying dragon instead of the one one on the ground right in front of him with like 7 people on it?

Not really that big of a deal but the show didn't really show why he made the less intelligent decision.

Another question is, why did it take so long for him to get another spear, like what the hell
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EnragedSlith posted...

I don't think it's a stretch to guess that the NK is probably a greenseer or something similar. He was able to move while Bran was in the realm of magic. He probably has a good deal of prior knowledge about events to come

it's not a stretch, but it's a power that has barely been hinted at and was not hinted at in any way in the episode

the end result of it is they are inventing powers for the night king as plot demands them

which is bad writing
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Darkman124 posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

I don't think it's a stretch to guess that the NK is probably a greenseer or something similar. He was able to move while Bran was in the realm of magic. He probably has a good deal of prior knowledge about events to come

it's not a stretch, but it's a power that has barely been hinted at and was not hinted at in any way in the episode

the end result of it is they are inventing powers for the night king as plot demands them

which is bad writing

Barely been hinted at? It's the whole reason that Bran had to leave the cave and the 3ER, the last of the Children of the Forest, Summer, and Hodor all died.

We were also reminded one episode ago-- when the NK uses some kind of mental / anti-warging power to disband Bran's crows-- that the NK has abilities which match or exceed Bran's... and Bran can definitely seen the future (confirmed in Season 6 when he sees the wildfire exploding under the Sept of Baelor).
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The Night King was clearly fucking with them and likely also knew Dany would come and knew that would land him dragons. It was laid out like a trap lure.

The Night King is literally fucking magic. There was clearly tons of shit he alone could have done but decided to just sit there and watch, right in plain site. As if to mock them. Motherfucker has already shown he can do shit like break the ground and whatnot.

He killed Viserion because it was active and closest and if Rhaegal had been in front, he would have hit him first. He clearly intended to kill them all.

And likely for us, it was Viserion so that Drogo can kill Viserys all over again.
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Polycosm posted...

Barely been hinted at? It's the whole reason that Bran had to leave the cave and the 3ER, the last of the Children of the Forest, Summer, and Hodor all died.

We were also reminded one episode ago-- when the NK uses some kind of mental / anti-warging power to disband Bran's crows-- that the NK has abilities which match or exceed Bran's... and Bran can definitely seen the future (confirmed in Season 6 when he sees the wildfire exploding under the Sept of Baelor).

the implication of all of that was not necessarily future sight, but rather the ability to disrupt greenseers/wargs at will

i understand your point
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Polycosm posted...

Darkman124 posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

I don't think it's a stretch to guess that the NK is probably a greenseer or something similar. He was able to move while Bran was in the realm of magic. He probably has a good deal of prior knowledge about events to come

it's not a stretch, but it's a power that has barely been hinted at and was not hinted at in any way in the episode

the end result of it is they are inventing powers for the night king as plot demands them

which is bad writing

Barely been hinted at? It's the whole reason that Bran had to leave the cave and the 3ER, the last of the Children of the Forest, Summer, and Hodor all died.

We were also reminded one episode ago-- when the NK uses some kind of mental / anti-warging power to disband Bran's crows-- that the NK has abilities which match or exceed Bran's... and Bran can definitely seen the future (confirmed in Season 6 when he sees the wildfire exploding under the Sept of Baelor).

technically we dont know if bran can see the future

we dont know if the events of him becoming the 3ER and the sept of baelor blowing up are chronological or not

its possible that the sept has already been destroyed and he sees this happen in the past, but the viewer doesnt actually see it until later
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I always thought the teleporting complaints were exaggerated, but after last night I agree.

You mean to tell me that Gendry ran all the way back to the wall, got a raven, sent it to Dragonstone, then Dany gets her winter clothing together, ready's the dragons, and flys all the way north of the wall in like a day or two?

I'm more than willing to suspend my belief watching tv but come the fuck on.
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

I always thought the teleporting complaints were exaggerated, but after last night I agree.

You mean to tell me that Gendry ran all the way back to the wall, got a raven, sent it to Dragonstone, then Dany gets her winter clothing together, ready's the dragons, and flys all the way north of the wall in like a day or two?

I'm more than willing to suspend my belief watching tv but come the fuck on.

Nah they finally unlocked fast travel
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Butterfiles posted...

TheBiggerWiggle posted...

I always thought the teleporting complaints were exaggerated, but after last night I agree.

You mean to tell me that Gendry ran all the way back to the wall, got a raven, sent it to Dragonstone, then Dany gets her winter clothing together, ready's the dragons, and flys all the way north of the wall in like a day or two?

I'm more than willing to suspend my belief watching tv but come the fuck on.

Nah they finally unlocked fast travel

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HBOSS posted...

Butterfiles posted...

TheBiggerWiggle posted...

I always thought the teleporting complaints were exaggerated, but after last night I agree.

You mean to tell me that Gendry ran all the way back to the wall, got a raven, sent it to Dragonstone, then Dany gets her winter clothing together, ready's the dragons, and flys all the way north of the wall in like a day or two?

I'm more than willing to suspend my belief watching tv but come the fuck on.

Nah they finally unlocked fast travel

the very first episode of the series has a month long, if not longer timeskip, when robert goes from kings landing to winterfell
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ManSpread posted...

the very first episode of the series has a month long, if not longer timeskip, when robert goes from kings landing to winterfell

The point is that the month happened. Whereas last night's scene is made to appear like 1 day.

It doesn't matter to people who aren't insufferable nerds. It's done for drama.
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because it was a trap for Daenarys. I think Wight King wanted her dragons

L0Z posted...

because it was a trap for Daenarys. I think Wight King wanted her dragons

yup

the first patrol was simply bait to draw jon and co out, trap them, and force them to call for help

the NK came armed with magical anti dragon tomahawk spears and big ass chains to pull them out of the lake with
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yeah, i think it's clear now that the dragon is the key to bringing the wall down

funny just how much of the story's events are the characters' own fault

had the wildlings been allowed south of the wall, the night king would have no army

had jon not ranged north to capture a wight they wouldnt have a dragon

makes you wonder if the lord of light is really trying to help them
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but did they know there was a dragon in the first place
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHW0iJx8Ux8

Butterfiles posted...

but did they know there was a dragon in the first place

Could be... they didnt panic and run off. Its a trait that the living arent shit to them though.

Night King been calculated so far in ALL the scenes hes been in. They do deal (craster) so i wonder how their next dialogue with the living will go
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

I always thought the teleporting complaints were exaggerated, but after last night I agree.

You mean to tell me that Gendry ran all the way back to the wall, got a raven, sent it to Dragonstone, then Dany gets her winter clothing together, ready's the dragons, and flys all the way north of the wall in like a day or two?

I'm more than willing to suspend my belief watching tv but come the fuck on.

It was long enough for the entire lake to re-freeze, so it was much longer than a day or two.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Romulox28 posted...

this whole season has been playing out like a bad fanfiction tbh, a lot of half baked ideas implemented because i think they look visually cool. last nights ep was the most egregious example of this

This. The show has jumped the shark. So fucking dumb at this point.
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I just assumed those ice spears were super powerful and rare so he wanted to save them and just let Jon and company freeze to death after like 24 hours.

Not really that obtuse of a plan considering the undead army has just been hanging out like less than a day's walk from East Watch for like 2 seasons now.
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CircleOfManias posted...

It was long enough for the entire lake to re-freeze, so it was much longer than a day or two.

I dunno, the north is supposed to be really cold

I dunno, I didn't have a problem with it, I didn't think it necessarily meant he anticipated dragons, either. if I had some wombo combo spear I would bring it with me wherever I went
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Balrog0 posted...

CircleOfManias posted...

It was long enough for the entire lake to re-freeze, so it was much longer than a day or two.

I dunno, the north is supposed to be really cold

I dunno, I didn't have a problem with it, I didn't think it necessarily meant he anticipated dragons, either. if I had some wombo combo spear I would bring it with me wherever I went

Also the Others seemingly bring extreme cold, so...
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