Current Events > Two months ago I decided to ignore all political news

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Its one of the best decisions Ive made in recent memory, ignorance really is bliss. Some of the news gets through like the nazi protests but I just change the station or switch it off.
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I'm not one of those "silence is compliance" types but you really should be upset that an actual nazi rally happened. We fought a goddamn world war to exterminate that filth from the planet.
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lilORANG posted...

I'm not one of those "silence is compliance" types but you really should be upset that an actual nazi rally happened. We fought a goddamn world war to exterminate that filth from the planet.

and it looks like

*sunglasses*

they came reich back

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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NeonOctopus posted...

lilORANG posted...

I'm not one of those "silence is compliance" types but you really should be upset that an actual nazi rally happened. We fought a goddamn world war to exterminate that filth from the planet.

and it looks like

*sunglasses*

they came reich back

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

I did nazi that coming.

but seriously wtf is wrong with the world? We're getting measles outbreaks again too. We're not supposed to let history repeat itself guys.
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exterminate that filth sounds kinda familiar
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lilORANG posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

lilORANG posted...

I'm not one of those "silence is compliance" types but you really should be upset that an actual nazi rally happened. We fought a goddamn world war to exterminate that filth from the planet.

and it looks like

*sunglasses*

they came reich back

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

I did nazi that coming.

but seriously wtf is wrong with the world? We're getting measles outbreaks again too. We're not supposed to let history repeat itself guys.

Well its not like you can change their opinions, I think its just a waste of energy to be mad about what others think
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Let me summarize for you.

Trump Trump Trump Trump
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It isn't good to be proud of having your head in the sand.
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It's a good decision, one I was keeping with for a while. Unfortunately last week I read that Google memo, and then saw the extreme media slant on it, and got angry and started posting in political topics again. I need to quit.
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I try to do the same thing, tc. But too many friends/family are politically extreme and make it difficult for me to fully escape.

IMO, people that constantly follow all news every single day and get outraged by it are destroying this country. It's good to be aware of the big picture, but the social media outrage cycle is killing this country.

Worst of all, the hyper conservatives/liberals are now calling out moderates and making them out to be the bad guy. Like, holy shit, they have absolutely no perspective right now.
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ForestLogic posted...

I try to do the same thing, tc. But too many friends/family are politically extreme and make it difficult for me to fully escape.

IMO, people that constantly follow all news every single day and get outraged by it are destroying this country. It's good to be aware of the big picture, but the social media outrage cycle is killing this country.

Worst of all, the hyper conservatives/liberals are now calling out moderates and making them out to be the bad guy. Like, holy shit, they have absolutely no perspective right now.

Agreed on that last point. I've seen a lot of leftist use an MLK quote to justify their being an asshole to moderates. And I don't really see or pay attention to the extreme right but I believe you.
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yeah the less you think about politics, the happier you become

The most recent events pulled me back in unfortunately. It amazes me that people are going as far as to defend literal Nazis and Nazi sympathizers to defend what Trump's actions. On the flip side though, while ideologically no where near as terrible as white supremacists and neo Nazis, Antifa needs to disappear as they cause way more problems than actually helping.
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ForestLogic posted...

Worst of all, the hyper conservatives/liberals are now calling out moderates and making them out to be the bad guy. Like, holy shit, they have absolutely no perspective right now.

The biggest issue with moderates is that a lot of different issues don't really have a moderate view.
Take for instance the white supremacists at the rally over the weekend. What is the moderate view between "I think white people are superior to all other races," and "I think all races are equal." ?

Not to mention that a lot of moderates seem to look down on people who have strong beliefs on either side. There's no superiority in having a view that doesn't commit, so why have it?

And lastly, at least for a liberal like myself, it's bothersome to see a moderate complain that "both sides are bad." Republicans are intent on dismantling government protections, pandering to racists when it comes to immigration, not accepting scientific consensus when it comes to issues like climate change, etc.
Democrats have their issues, and they need to address them, but the issues they have are not nearly as problematic to the well-being of our country or the world.

ForestLogic posted...

Worst of all, the hyper conservatives/liberals are now calling out moderates and making them out to be the bad guy. Like, holy shit, they have absolutely no perspective right now.

KarmaMuffin posted...


See what I mean.
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megamanzero1000 posted...

yeah the less you think about politics, the happier you become

So true
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Politics keeps me entertained.
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I take a week off about once a month. If you have an otherwise stressful life it really helps a lot to take a break.

lilORANG posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

lilORANG posted...

I'm not one of those "silence is compliance" types but you really should be upset that an actual nazi rally happened. We fought a goddamn world war to exterminate that filth from the planet.

and it looks like

*sunglasses*

they came reich back

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

I did nazi that coming.

You should have, low hanging fruit can't help but be Hit. Lern from it.
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ForestLogic posted...

See what I mean.

And to me I just see you as lazy
I explained why I see moderates the way I do. I explain why it's frustrating to have a discussion with them, and you prove me right with your response.

Moderates can usually see issues from all points of view. It's frustrating trying to have a discussion with someone who thinks there is only one correct view, and everyone else is not worth listening to.
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DragonGirlYuki posted...

It isn't good to be proud of having your head in the sand.

Yeah because discussing politics on gamefaqs and bitching and crying about things you (you, personally) can't change is so much better. Stfu moron.

People want to do less pathetic things with their lives than waste their time on this shit. Being aware is good but the way you people bitch and moan on here every day about the same crap is fucking stupid.

Such fulfilling lives you all live.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Moderates can usually see issues from all points of view. It's frustrating trying to have a discussion with someone who thinks there is only one correct view, and everyone else is not worth listening to.

I think this kind of view doesn't match up with reality.
A person who is liberal or conservative doesn't become incapable of having a discussion with other people who have opposing views.
Meanwhile in my experience most moderates have this holier-than-thou approach where they seem to consider themselves superior to both sides. Never mind the constant bringing up of the horsehoe theory or the fallacy of thinking that every side has merit so the middle is the best option (cue image of Hitler saying he wants to gas every Jew and Churchill saying to stop it, and the moderate saying we can meet in the middle -- an extreme example to be sure, but it matters in day-to-day life too)

And yes, I still have yet to hear a good argument for what the Trump administration is doing except from his tight core of supporters, the constant gerrymandering from the GOP, or how Roger Ailes admitting he created Fox News as propaganda for conservative politicians -- none of which the liberal side of politics have been doing.
Also, look at this link and compare the votes on party lines: https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2kaubu/just_a_reminder_of_what_the_senate_was_doing_the/cljns3q/
Oh yes, totally the same
This is why moderates are frustrating. It always ends up feeling like some edgy 14 yr old thinking they have discovered some hidden depth that the adults have missed, missing the reality and really coming off as just intellectually dishonest. At best, it's just like TC who ends up being lazy.

KarmaMuffin posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Moderates can usually see issues from all points of view. It's frustrating trying to have a discussion with someone who thinks there is only one correct view, and everyone else is not worth listening to.

I think this kind of view doesn't match up with reality.
A person who is liberal or conservative doesn't become incapable of having a discussion with other people who have opposing views.
Meanwhile in my experience most moderates have this holier-than-thou approach where they seem to consider themselves superior to both sides. Never mind the constant bringing up of the horsehoe theory or the fallacy of thinking that every side has merit so the middle is the best option (cue image of Hitler saying he wants to gas every Jew and Churchill saying to stop it, and the moderate saying we can meet in the middle -- an extreme example to be sure, but it matters in day-to-day life too)

And yes, I still have yet to hear a good argument for what the Trump administration is doing except from his tight core of supporters, the constant gerrymandering from the GOP, or how Roger Ailes admitting he created Fox News as propaganda for conservative politicians -- none of which the liberal side of politics have been doing.
Also, look at this link and compare the votes on party lines: https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2kaubu/just_a_reminder_of_what_the_senate_was_doing_the/cljns3q/
Oh yes, totally the same
This is why moderates are frustrating. It always ends up feeling like some edgy 14 yr old thinking they have discovered some hidden depth that the adults have missed, missing the reality and really coming off as just intellectually dishonest. At best, it's just like TC who ends up being lazy.

Why do you care so much what 14 yr olds think?

KarmaMuffin posted...

ForestLogic posted...

See what I mean.

And to me I just see you as lazy
I explained why I see moderates the way I do. I explain why it's frustrating to have a discussion with them, and you prove me right with your response.

No, you didn't explain. You did the very thing I was talking about by turning it into B-B-BUT THE OTHER SIDE IS THE PROBLEM, parroting the same generic bullshit stock responses that any self-proclaimed liberal/conservative does by stating that the other side is unequivocally wrong and solely responsible for destroying America.
And no that's not exclusive to the left, because my original point is how both sides think and act the same, just with parallel views on issues. I could write your entire post over but replace all the Republican stances with leftist views and it would sound just as unreasonable and paranoid.
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KarmaMuffin posted...

Democrats have their issues, and they need to address them, but the issues they have are not nearly as problematic to the well-being of our country or the world.

Just tossing that out there for @ForestLogic

In case you want to admit to being wrong.
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megamanzero1000 posted...

Why do you care so much what 14 yr olds think?

I don't, really. It doesn't take long to post on here, and it allows me to vent my frustrations with people irl who share similar views (although quite a few have admitted that they only consider themselves moderate because they're ashamed of the extremists on their *real* political side).

ForestLogic posted...

No, you didn't explain. You did the very thing I was talking about by turning it into B-B-BUT THE OTHER SIDE IS THE PROBLEM, parroting the same generic bullshit stock responses that any self-proclaimed liberal/conservative does by stating that the other side is unequivocally wrong and solely responsible for destroying America.

I'm sorry you got that impression. Not sure how when I directly said that Democrats have their issues, but then again this ties into my comment about how moderates tend to be intellectually dishonest.
Still, my second post directly referenced reasons why I view Republicans worse than Democrats, and I have yet to hear any examples Democrats have done on that level.

I don't expect a response, I just hope you grow up one day for your own sake.

What's your secret TC? No matter where I go on the internet people won't shut the fuck up about Trump or nazi's or all of that bullshit
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C_Pain posted...

exterminate that filth sounds kinda familiar

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR NAZIS!?!?
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KarmaMuffin posted...

I'm sorry you got that impression. Not sure how when I directly said that Democrats have their issues, but then again this ties into my comment about how moderates tend to be intellectually dishonest.
Still, my second post directly referenced reasons why I view Republicans worse than Democrats, and I have yet to hear any examples Democrats have done on that level.

Because honestly when you label yourself as liberal or conservative, it's a lazy way of saying "I don't feel like thinking enough to have individual opinions, I just like this general political philosophy." If someone played only Xbox games and said Don't is destroying the video game industry, wouldn't that qualify them as a shitty fanboy? Cuz that's what you're doing.
Saying Democrats have a few issues but Republicans are problematic to the well being of the entire world is again exactly what I was saying about having no perspective. The fact you can't see how slanted and melodramatic that is, and the fact you think that's a fair assessment of American politics is the issue with political extremism.

For example. I hate Republicans. They're backwards thinking, moral policing, gun worshippers. But that said, despite not liking them, I wouldn't make a grand statement like they're a danger to the world or this nation.
At the same time, I hate Democrats. They're politically unrealistic, restrictive of businesses, and also do their own moral policing for different reasons. Yet I would venture to say if Democrats ran the country for 30 years, it really wouldn't matter much to me.

The big point here is I don't believe any normal, individually-thinking human being just conveniently reaches a set of conclusions that Team A's opinions are all borderline evil, but all my conclusions perfectly line up with Team B. And if you think moderates are elitist for thinking that, go ahead. George Washington himself warned against this shit, and over 200 years later, it seems pretty spot on since both sides have become more and more polarized to a boiling point. And we now have a reality TV host for president, so lol, well done political parties.
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Chicken posted...

What's your secret TC? No matter where I go on the internet people won't shut the fuck up about Trump or nazi's or all of that bullshit

It's not hard to ignore politics, I just avoid the news or when someone goes on a rant I keep scrolling. I filtered out like 90% of this topic.
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Wannabe Nazi is a more accurate term really.
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