Current Events > "Liberals need to give up on identity politics"

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well white people dont know what its like to be poor or live in ghettos
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The Admiral posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

How exactly are identity politics supposed to work long term in a multi-cultural democracy? We are already beginning so see the Democrat party in California split by demographic.

It doesn't, because racial groups are not monolithic. The great fantasy of the left has been that their platform will flourish based on the changing demographic trends in the U.S. -- namely the rapid growth in the Hispanic population. The problem is that Hispanics are not block Democratic voters, so relying on them as a substitute for policy is just another losing strategy.

Yeah they want to believe Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, and Cubans will vote the same.
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Dathrowed1 posted...

Yeah they want to believe Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, and Cubans will vote the same.

I mean, the differences between nationalities within ethnic groups are important, but there are really only a few notable exceptions to the "minorities are more democratic than republican" and its generally from immigrants fleeing communist dictatorships (cubans, vietnamese) and these differences go away for second-or-third generation immigrants
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The Admiral posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

Ideally identity politics shouldn't be a base at all.

I agree with this part completely. Politics should be aligned along economic and ideological lines (and there should ideally be more than two party choices). The track records for having political parties aligned along racial lines has not been positive in most examples of world history, to say the least.

But considering like 3 of the 5 biggest issues in the country are based in identity politics

Don't agree with this part at all.

North Korea
Health care
Immigration
Policing in America

That's 2/4 and I just woke up from a nap and can't remember the 5th
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how tf is healthcare about identity politics
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Balrog0 posted...

how tf is healthcare about identity politics

I said 2 out of 4 stop being dumb
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

BillyKidd posted...

yea, they aren't that good at it. I had a small group on my facebook feed trying to whine about Trump and the whole "stop violence on many sides". I said fine, drop labels and let's look at what happened. Here's what I put:

how about we take out labels, call them A and B.
A's show up to hang at a monument on a hill.
Multiple B's show up and proceed to pepper spray A's. They bring out water balloons and water bottles filled with paint, piss, and shit and throw them at A. They throw smoke bombs at A.
Police allow B to do this for almost an hour.
1 A decides to pick up one of the smoke bombs and throws it back at B.
Police then deem that a cause to make A's walk through a crowd of B's and leave.
B's then taunt, continue to throw shit at A's, push, and punch A's causing fights to break out.
1 sole A drives their car into a group of B's.
Yea, there were "many sides"

Once I took away the identity politics and made them see both sides, the debate stopped.

You forgot the part where A's were doing Nazi salutes and chanting Nazi phrases.

somehow, I think their words hurt less than actually hitting someone.
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J E S U S posted...

well white people dont know what its like to be poor or live in ghettos

said the man who wanted 40 children to a classroom

NibeIungsnarf posted...

Also said by me who has never voted right-of center.

Also said by me who has never voted at all.

Both sides like to blow smoke up my ass about how they're my friend, but every time, every goddamn time, they're proven to be liars and I'm left further disappointed and disillusioned with the whole process. And after Clinton and Trump? Fuck voting Democrat or Republican ever. Both sides have forever ruined themselves in the eyes of this lower class rube, and now they're the enemy going forward.

And trust me, that's hardly a solitary sentiment. Plenty of folks in my low-income apartment complex of varying physical composition either:

A. Voted for Trump thinking he cared about the down-trodden. (Mind you, the ones who did this were on the younger side/were voting for the first time.)
B. Didn't vote at all because they didn't trust either candidate. (Surprise surprise, this group was comprised of us older ones, many of whom were already burned in the past, by Democrat and Republican alike.)

Suffice to say, a new generation of poor voters has learned that politicians don't give a fuck about us, and that's just one batch of lower class folks in one podunk area of Texas, and we're not an isolated case, and our number and resentment grows everyday another job disappears and the lines on our safety nets get severed. I imagine most of you are middle class yuppies who are used to plugging your ears and averting your gaze, but you don't seem to grasp that just because you don't hear these people getting mad on social media that doesn't mean they aren't stewing and festering among themselves all the same and the only identity they're seeing is one defined by class, of "commoner versus aristocrat" the next time any of them show up at the ballot box (if they bother to show up at all).
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eh, poor people are always saying both sides are the same (unless they're a minority) and that's always how republicans win

well, at least in my lifetime
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The Admiral posted...

The Democrats used to position themselves as the party that supported the poor and working class of America, and the demographics overwhelming support that. When they decided to pivot to the party of the non-white poor and working classes, in a country that's over 60% white, they started losing winnable elections. Like in 2014 and 2016.

Look at all these identity politics.
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