Current Events > If Trump refuses to condemn his voter base for all of last night, it'll escalate

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Sayoria
08/13/17 5:28:02 PM
#101:


Kineth posted...
Sayoria posted...
It doesn't matter at this point.


stfu, you don't take shit seriously enough to be in political discussions.


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FrisbeeDude
08/13/17 5:28:57 PM
#102:


Trump, the man who led the "Barack isn't a citizen" crap for years, is apparently being unfairly burdened when asked to disavow nazis and white supremacists a few times.

Y'all are too fucking much.
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Kineth
08/13/17 5:28:59 PM
#103:


AssultTank posted...
Kineth posted...
AssultTank posted...
I would assume he's tired of condemning the KKK and Nazis after how many times he had to do it during the campaign.

I mean he was starting to sound like a broken record with how often he had to do it.


All 0 times?

See post 14.

Not sure how reliable a source this really is, but it seems to link to sources where possible, and some research I did on my own confirmed the quotes.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article63492082.html
Posted March 2nd. Before the quote in post 14... <_<

Maybe before spouting off this whole liberal fantasy of "Trump never denounced the KKK" you should do some research and see that the facts contradict you.


I saw his apologies. They were half-assed and took multiple requests to actually get him to say something.

It was a fake or at least half-hearted apology. But hey, if being right is the point of the argument as opposed to being exact, then sure, you're right, he apologized more than 0 times.

*eye roll*
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hockeybub89
08/13/17 5:30:41 PM
#104:


Capn Circus posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
One lone wolf, s



So was Dylan Roof was a "lone wolf" also?


A lone wolf would be considered anyone who separately commits an act of violence without anyone telling them to go out and do something violent.

If several white nationalists decided to storm and shoot up the church, then it would not be considered a lone wolf incident.



Since you can't answer the question, I'm going to assume that's a yes. It's seems you're defending these white supremacist. So if Roof and Fields are "lone wolves" of the supremacists, can you tell me what the real message the other wolves was trying to deliver?


I'm not defending anyone. I defend the first amendment. Everyone has a right to organize and voice their opinions in this country.

I don't know what every group's specific "message" is, so I can't answer that question.

Yes, they do have that freedom. As do counterprotesters and anyone that wants to negatively judge them and treat them like pariahs.

By the way, the problem yesterday was that it was more then peaceful organization. There were armed militias, pepper spray, beatings, harassment, and a terror attack resulting in a murder.
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Capn Circus
08/13/17 5:35:06 PM
#105:


hockeybub89 posted...
Yes, they do have that freedom. As do counterprotesters and anyone that wants to negatively judge them and treat them like pariahs.

By the way, the problem yesterday was that it was more then peaceful organization. There were armed militias, pepper spray, beatings, harassment, and a terror attack resulting in a murder.


I realize counter protesters have that freedom as well, but no one should be violent. And we saw that from both sides yesterday. You act as if BLM/Antifa weren't armed, didn't have pepper spray and weren't beating people either. There's pictures and video evidence.

So for the president to condemn violence from both sides is a very accurate statement.
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Bishop9800
08/13/17 5:36:39 PM
#106:


Capn Circus posted...
I'm not defending anyone. I defend the first amendment. Everyone has a right to organize and voice their opinions in this country.



No, what you're doing is making excuses for them. People coming on here talking about what they did, and all you can say is "But BLM burned down a school ". Yes, everyone has a right to free speech. So what "free speech" was Fields and Roof trying to project? The right to murder minorities?
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DirtyAim
08/13/17 5:36:55 PM
#107:


AssultTank posted...
Maybe before spouting off this whole liberal fantasy of "Trump never denounced the KKK" you should do some research and see that the facts contradict you.

Maybe before you vote for a republican again you should do your own research and realize that they've been instigating these kind of rallies and Neo-Nazi types for decades, and now that Trump is in office they've felt stronger than ever.
Thanks to Trump being in the White House and doing the most piss-poor job of condemning them, they felt emboldened enough to hold a rally which caused the direct death of one person, indirect death of two police officers, and multiple injuries

And after all of that, Trump is asked to comment on the situation. How does he do it? By saying there is hatred on both sides, by walking away when a (Fox News) reporter asked him if he'll disavow the White Nationalists: https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/896459431419944960

You have a choice here: you can stick your head in the mud and ignore the rhetoric coming from the alt-right and our president and how bad it is affecting white nationalists and neo-nazi types, or you can condemn them and our politicians who refuse to disavow those types and instigate it, including the very man you voted to be president.
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creativerealms
08/13/17 5:37:50 PM
#108:


Yep.
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--kresnik--
08/13/17 5:38:37 PM
#109:


DirtyAim posted...
AssultTank posted...
Maybe before spouting off this whole liberal fantasy of "Trump never denounced the KKK" you should do some research and see that the facts contradict you.

Maybe before you vote for a republican again you should do your own research and realize that they've been instigating these kind of rallies and Neo-Nazi types for decades, and now that Trump is in office they've felt stronger than ever.
Thanks to Trump being in the White House and doing the most piss-poor job of condemning them, they felt emboldened enough to hold a rally which caused the direct death of one person, indirect death of two police officers, and multiple injuries

And after all of that, Trump is asked to comment on the situation. How does he do it? By saying there is hatred on both sides, by walking away when a (Fox News) reporter asked him if he'll disavow the White Nationalists: https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/896459431419944960

You have a choice here: you can stick your head in the mud and ignore the rhetoric coming from the alt-right and our president and how bad it is affecting white nationalists and neo-nazi types, or you can condemn them and our politicians who refuse to disavow those types and instigate it, including the very man you voted to be president.

You can talk when your side stops with the violence. Fact: it flared up in the left first and obama fueled it.
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hockeybub89
08/13/17 5:40:25 PM
#111:


Capn Circus posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Yes, they do have that freedom. As do counterprotesters and anyone that wants to negatively judge them and treat them like pariahs.

By the way, the problem yesterday was that it was more then peaceful organization. There were armed militias, pepper spray, beatings, harassment, and a terror attack resulting in a murder.


I realize counter protesters have that freedom as well, but no one should be violent. And we saw that from both sides yesterday. You act as if BLM/Antifa weren't armed, didn't have pepper spray and weren't beating people either. There's pictures and video evidence.

So for the president to condemn violence from both sides is a very accurate statement.

He still should have explicitly denounced an act of terrorism and condemned white supremacy rallies. Trump suddenly found his fair, diplomatic side?
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Capn Circus
08/13/17 5:40:30 PM
#112:


Bishop9800 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
I'm not defending anyone. I defend the first amendment. Everyone has a right to organize and voice their opinions in this country.



No, what you're doing is making excuses for them. People coming on here talking about what they did, and all you can say is "But BLM burned down a school ". Yes, everyone has a right to free speech. So what "free speech" was Fields and Roof trying to project? The right to murder minorities?


I have not made any excuses nor defended them. You're seeing things that aren't there.

One group assembled, the other group counter protested that assembly---members from both groups clashed and fought. Both are to blame. It's really as simple as that.
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Kineth
08/13/17 5:43:33 PM
#113:


AssultTank posted...
Kineth posted...


I saw his apologies. They were half-assed and took multiple requests to actually get him to say something.

It was a fake or at least half-hearted apology. But hey, if being right is the point of the argument as opposed to being exact, then sure, you're right, he apologized more than 0 times.

*eye roll*

You really didn't read the links, did you?
Here is the actual quote from Feb. 26, 2017.
Asked, “How do you feel about the recent endorsement from David Duke?”

TRUMP: “I didn’t even know he endorsed me. David Duke endorsed me? OK. All right. I disavow. OK?”


Literally the day after David Duke endorsed him. But okay...

Also of note: David Duke literally endorsed Obama in 2008...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96373766



Odd because all his white supremacist talking points that he continued to espouse afterward makes the apology worthless. But like I said, if being right is the only thing that concerns you, then you're right. Ethos and Pathos will be over here waiting though.
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creativerealms
08/13/17 5:43:48 PM
#114:


When has Donald Trump had a problem sounding like a broken record. He brings up the wall, his ban, his win every chance he gets. He is all about bringing the same things up over and over again because that is what his support base does. He will continue this piss poor condemnation of white nationalists because he has white nationalists working for him, and he knows they helped bring him to power. Yes he has condemned them in the past but he also said he would support the LGBT community in the past and we know he didn't mean that ether. When he means something he will always bring it up.
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hockeybub89
08/13/17 5:44:42 PM
#115:


Capn Circus posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
I'm not defending anyone. I defend the first amendment. Everyone has a right to organize and voice their opinions in this country.



No, what you're doing is making excuses for them. People coming on here talking about what they did, and all you can say is "But BLM burned down a school ". Yes, everyone has a right to free speech. So what "free speech" was Fields and Roof trying to project? The right to murder minorities?


I have not made any excuses nor defended them. You're seeing things that aren't there.

One group assembled, the other group counter protested that assembly---members from both groups clashed and fought. Both are to blame. It's really as simple as that.

One side committed terrorism. One side organized a giant hate rally in a peaceful town because they wanted to remove a Confederate statue. I'm sorry you think this is when Trump should finally take a fair and balanced stance. You would not be making this argument if the roles were reversed, but gotta defend Daddy Trump, right?
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Bishop9800
08/13/17 5:45:34 PM
#117:


--kresnik-- posted...
You can talk when your side stops with the violence. Fact: it flared up in the left first and obama fueled it.



How did Obama fueled this?
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Zeus
08/13/17 5:45:44 PM
#118:


itachi15243 posted...
More and more people will think it's okay. Those on the fence will join in and those who are alt right and maybe even just general Trump supporters will think it's okay. Okay to go March with fucking Nazi's, or maybe become one even. Especially so when the person/people who died last night are glossed over as if their life didn't matter.

Things like this need to be put down before they begin to escalate&#8203; and then spiral out of control.


lolwut? Your attitude is exactly why this shit has become a problem in the first place. Take responsibility for a change. Your widescale protests and destruction of large portions of cities are getting others to protest.
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Webmaster4531
08/13/17 5:47:17 PM
#119:


Zeus posted...
itachi15243 posted...
More and more people will think it's okay. Those on the fence will join in and those who are alt right and maybe even just general Trump supporters will think it's okay. Okay to go March with fucking Nazi's, or maybe become one even. Especially so when the person/people who died last night are glossed over as if their life didn't matter.

Things like this need to be put down before they begin to escalate&#8203; and then spiral out of control.


lolwut? Your attitude is exactly why this shit has become a problem in the first place. Take responsibility for a change. Your widescale protests and destruction of large portions of cities are getting others to protest.

This started because a Robert E. Lee statue was being taken down.
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Bishop9800
08/13/17 5:48:01 PM
#120:


Capn Circus posted...

I have not made any excuses nor defended them. You're seeing things that aren't there.



White Supremacists used a car to kill 3 people.

You: But BLM burned down a school.
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Kineth
08/13/17 5:48:18 PM
#121:


AssultTank posted...
Kineth posted...
Odd because all his white supremacist talking points that he continued to espouse afterward makes the apology worthless. But like I said, if being right is the only thing that concerns you, then you're right. Ethos and Pathos will be over here waiting though.

So you're saying that emotion is more important than facts. Good to know.


If that's how you literally read what I said, this explains some of the terrible modding on this site.


Of course, I guess you would have problems viewing different things as having equal levels of importance/significance.
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hockeybub89
08/13/17 5:48:31 PM
#122:


Zeus posted...
itachi15243 posted...
More and more people will think it's okay. Those on the fence will join in and those who are alt right and maybe even just general Trump supporters will think it's okay. Okay to go March with fucking Nazi's, or maybe become one even. Especially so when the person/people who died last night are glossed over as if their life didn't matter.

Things like this need to be put down before they begin to escalate&#8203; and then spiral out of control.


lolwut? Your attitude is exactly why this shit has become a problem in the first place. Take responsibility for a change. Your widescale protests and destruction of large portions of cities are getting others to protest.

Yeah, white supremacy is a perfectly reasonable response. That is why most white people and most Americans of any allegiance completely condemn these racist fucks.
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--kresnik--
08/13/17 5:49:00 PM
#123:


Bishop9800 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
You can talk when your side stops with the violence. Fact: it flared up in the left first and obama fueled it.



How did Obama fueled this?

Openly taking sides in racial battles. Endorsing blm.
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hockeybub89
08/13/17 5:51:16 PM
#124:


--kresnik-- posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
You can talk when your side stops with the violence. Fact: it flared up in the left first and obama fueled it.



How did Obama fueled this?

Openly taking sides in racial battles. Endorsing blm.

Trump needs to take sides here. America vs Nazi Scumfucks
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Bishop9800
08/13/17 5:52:03 PM
#125:


--kresnik-- posted...
Openly taking sides in racial battles. Endorsing blm.



What racial battles did he take sides in?
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--kresnik--
08/13/17 5:52:46 PM
#126:


hockeybub89 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
You can talk when your side stops with the violence. Fact: it flared up in the left first and obama fueled it.



How did Obama fueled this?

Openly taking sides in racial battles. Endorsing blm.

Trump needs to take sides here. America vs Nazi Scumfucks

Nope. The liberals are doing the same shit, but the media jus coincidentally happened to start this whole "white terrorist" bullshit. Stop acting like it's one side. The left has resorted to open and blatant violence before he was even elected.

Keep trying, though.
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TheTutelary
08/13/17 5:57:27 PM
#127:


AssTank really is living up to his reputation in here.
I don't even know what to say, the idea of a mod espousing these views and ignoring reality really shows why the site is the way it is

@SBAllen should be ashamed
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LordRazziel
08/13/17 5:59:13 PM
#128:


CE political discussions are painful. I don't know why I torture myself reading them. You see a ton of people who are certain they are wholly right, that are looking for something, anything that will let them continue to feel that way.
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08/13/17 6:03:00 PM
#129:


AssultTank posted...
Also of note: David Duke literally endorsed Obama in 2008...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96373766

He talks about how Obama's life story and what he's done as a community organizer is deserving of some respect and vote-worthy. Then goes on to say he's more establishment that will do nothing for European Americans and calls McCain a betrayer of European Americans. That's not an endorsement.
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hockeybub89
08/13/17 6:04:38 PM
#130:


--kresnik-- posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
You can talk when your side stops with the violence. Fact: it flared up in the left first and obama fueled it.



How did Obama fueled this?

Openly taking sides in racial battles. Endorsing blm.

Trump needs to take sides here. America vs Nazi Scumfucks

Nope. The liberals are doing the same shit, but the media jus coincidentally happened to start this whole "white terrorist" bullshit. Stop acting like it's one side. The left has resorted to open and blatant violence before he was even elected.

Keep trying, though.

Only Nazis and Trump garglers even think there are two sides to this. Did you seriously just say the media invented white terrorism? Were you under the impression that Caucasians were incapable of committing terrible acts of violence for political means? You do know right-wing white terrorists are the most prolific terrorists in America? And no, I am not saying the right is all terrorists as most right-wingers have enough self-respect to not defend this.
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The Great Muta 22
08/13/17 6:04:47 PM
#131:


Capn Circus posted...
One group assembled, the other group counter protested that assembly---members from both groups clashed and fought. Both are to blame. It's really as simple as that.


When you show up to an area with the intent to incite violence and use hateful images, bigoted and insulting chants, and then try to plead ignorance to your part in the role I'm not going to feel bad for you.

Sorry alt-right, the face of your movement is now neo nazism. You reap what you sow and who you get in bed with
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Webmaster4531
08/13/17 6:06:44 PM
#133:


AssultTank posted...
TheTutelary posted...
AssTank really is living up to his reputation in here.
I don't even know what to say, the idea of a mod espousing these views and ignoring reality really shows why the site is the way it is

SBAllen should be ashamed

I think the attacks are reprehensible.

Neo-Nazis, Nazis, the KKK, and other hate groups are the scum of the Earth. My whole point in this topic has been that Trump has denounced hate groups such as the KKK in the past.

Did you read the topic title? Your point doesn't refute it.
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Banana_Cyanide
08/13/17 6:07:51 PM
#134:


LordRazziel posted...
CE political discussions are painful. I don't know why I torture myself reading them. You see a ton of people who are certain they are wholly right, that are looking for something, anything that will let them continue to feel that way.

Yeah it's basically a case of the blind leading the blind on all sides and whenever someone actually says something sensible they get told to shut the fuck up.
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Glass_Phantom
08/13/17 6:12:38 PM
#135:


AssultTank posted...
So you're saying that emotion is more important than facts. Good to know.


Yes, @AssultTank, emotion is more important than facts. Because white supremacists don't run on facts; they run on emotion. Their hate is their passion. Their anger is their fuel. Emotions matter.
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Glass_Phantom
08/13/17 6:14:22 PM
#136:


Do you really think "I disavow" is a strong statement?
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prince_leo
08/13/17 6:15:23 PM
#137:


AssultTank posted...
My whole point in this topic has been that Trump has denounced hate groups such as the KKK in the past.

while I agree, my issue is really that it's always been half-hearted. like I said earlier, compare the statements he made against those groups and compare it to what he's said about illegal immigrants, BLM activists, democrats in general, or those politicians on both sides who don't bend the knee
it's crazy how free-spirited he is against them, but when it comes to alt-right nazi kkk motherfuckers it's more of a "well I mean, of course I don't like them. by the way, did you see this bill I signed?" instead of the harsher language seemingly reserved for those who don't vote for him
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--kresnik--
08/13/17 6:18:27 PM
#138:


hockeybub89 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
You can talk when your side stops with the violence. Fact: it flared up in the left first and obama fueled it.



How did Obama fueled this?

Openly taking sides in racial battles. Endorsing blm.

Trump needs to take sides here. America vs Nazi Scumfucks

Nope. The liberals are doing the same shit, but the media jus coincidentally happened to start this whole "white terrorist" bullshit. Stop acting like it's one side. The left has resorted to open and blatant violence before he was even elected.

Keep trying, though.

Only Nazis and Trump garglers even think there are two sides to this. Did you seriously just say the media invented white terrorism? Were you under the impression that Caucasians were incapable of committing terrible acts of violence for political means? You do know right-wing white terrorists are the most prolific terrorists in America? And no, I am not saying the right is all terrorists as most right-wingers have enough self-respect to not defend this.

All this Nazi bullshit didn't start until the sjws and blm practically made us public enemy number one. The nazis are scum, but this whole "vilify the white guy" movement isn't new. People are, understandably, fed up. What these nazis are doing is reprehensible, but every act they've stopped to -- the bar has already been set by antifa and the anti capitalist terrorists.
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Glass_Phantom
08/13/17 6:20:08 PM
#139:


--kresnik-- posted...
All this Nazi bullshit didn't start until the sjws and blm practically made us public enemy number one.


Made "us" public enemy number one?
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--kresnik--
08/13/17 6:23:28 PM
#140:


Yeah. White citizens in general.

Are you denying the things like test score requirements, glass ceilings because of affirmative action, being the ONE group without a special interest group??

It's been going on since I was a kid. This is "progress" and globalism at its core.
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Banana_Cyanide
08/13/17 6:24:22 PM
#141:


Glass_Phantom posted...
Made "us" public enemy number one?

Poorly worded, I'll agree, but read the rest of the post.
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Glass_Phantom
08/13/17 6:25:43 PM
#142:


--kresnik-- posted...
Yeah. White citizens in general.

Are you denying the things like test score requirements, glass ceilings because of affirmative action, being the ONE group without a special interest group??

It's been going on since I was a kid. This is "progress" and globalism at its core.


I'm denying there's any reason whatsoever for white Anglo-Saxon Americans like you and I to feel racially persecuted, and I'm also questioning your good intentions, if it wasn't obvious.
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3rd_Best_Master
08/13/17 6:27:01 PM
#143:


Banana_Cyanide posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
Made "us" public enemy number one?

Poorly worded, I'll agree, but read the rest of the post.

Please, won't someone think of the most wealthy and powerful demographic in the world. Who'll fight for their best interests when other demographics are struggling to attain their table scraps?
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Glass_Phantom
08/13/17 6:27:03 PM
#144:


--kresnik-- posted...
It's been going on since I was a kid. This is "progress" and globalism at its core.


In that case, I'll gladly have another helping of progress and globalism.
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--kresnik--
08/13/17 6:29:32 PM
#145:


Glass_Phantom posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
It's been going on since I was a kid. This is "progress" and globalism at its core.


In that case, I'll gladly have another helping of progress and globalism.

You and the other 49% of the country who opposed Trump. (He won when you take away hillarys duplicate and illegal immigrant and DECEASED votes).
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3rd_Best_Master
08/13/17 6:32:01 PM
#146:


--kresnik-- posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
It's been going on since I was a kid. This is "progress" and globalism at its core.


In that case, I'll gladly have another helping of progress and globalism.

You and the other 49% of the country who opposed Trump. (He won when you take away hillarys duplicate and illegal immigrant and DECEASED votes).

How many votes did those comprise?
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08/13/17 6:32:05 PM
#147:


Glass_Phantom posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
Yeah. White citizens in general.

Are you denying the things like test score requirements, glass ceilings because of affirmative action, being the ONE group without a special interest group??

It's been going on since I was a kid. This is "progress" and globalism at its core.


I'm denying there's any reason whatsoever for white Anglo-Saxon Americans like you and I to feel racially persecuted, and I'm also questioning your good intentions, if it wasn't obvious.


Then you're blind to he issues that have been going on for decades. If the government enacted a rule stating that African Americans required higher test scores and would be excluded from the work force in preference of, say, immigrants, would you not feel that it's racist and unfair? I would. That's what's been going on
To Asian and white people.

You explain to me how affirmative action was NOT harmful to white people.

*grabs popcorn*
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Banana_Cyanide
08/13/17 6:33:12 PM
#148:


3rd_Best_Master posted...
Please, won't someone think of the most wealthy and powerful demographic in the world. Who'll fight for their best interests when other demographics are struggling to attain their table scraps?

Did you even read my post? Or more accurately did you even comprehend my post?
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08/13/17 6:34:39 PM
#149:


God, I can't believe I'm responding to CE's most obvious troll.

But I feel obligated to point everyone in the directions of the responses to this tweet. It might give you a bit of perspective on your 'argument'.

https://twitter.com/JuliusGoat/status/896326301832925184
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3rd_Best_Master
08/13/17 6:36:20 PM
#150:


Banana_Cyanide posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Please, won't someone think of the most wealthy and powerful demographic in the world. Who'll fight for their best interests when other demographics are struggling to attain their table scraps?

Did you even read my post? Or more accurately did you even comprehend my post?

I read your bullshit. Is there a dearth of white males in any aspect of society or do you just follow your feelings and assume there are?
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