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Amenadeel
08/10/17 3:51:47 PM
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Does that count as moving it.
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hollow_shrine
08/10/17 3:53:32 PM
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Sure. It's left sitting somewhere on the Helicarrier in Avengers 1 and the helicarrier maintains lift just fine.
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The Deadpool
08/10/17 3:54:42 PM
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It would move just fine.

The problem is wielding, not moving.
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1NfamousACE_2
08/10/17 3:55:06 PM
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If Hulk throws Thor while he's holding Mew-Mew, did he throw Mew-Mew?
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PMarth2002
08/10/17 3:55:19 PM
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I would think so as long as you're not trying to take it off the cart.
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darkjedilink
08/10/17 4:03:49 PM
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I could. Because I am worthy.
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darkphoenix181
08/10/17 4:08:18 PM
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The Deadpool posted...
It would move just fine.

The problem is wielding, not moving.


you can throw the cart at someone and it would be like throwing mjolnrir
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The Deadpool
08/10/17 4:21:27 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
The Deadpool posted...
It would move just fine.

The problem is wielding, not moving.


you can throw the cart at someone and it would be like throwing mjolnrir


It's magic. It doesn't care about technicalities.

The moment you tried to throw the cart at someone, it would be too heavy to lift.
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darkphoenix181
08/10/17 4:22:03 PM
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The Deadpool posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
The Deadpool posted...
It would move just fine.

The problem is wielding, not moving.


you can throw the cart at someone and it would be like throwing mjolnrir


It's magic. It doesn't care about technicalities.

The moment you tried to throw the cart at someone, it would be too heavy to lift.


nope

because as people said, you can throw Thor at people
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The Deadpool
08/10/17 4:25:33 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
The Deadpool posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
The Deadpool posted...
It would move just fine.

The problem is wielding, not moving.


you can throw the cart at someone and it would be like throwing mjolnrir


It's magic. It doesn't care about technicalities.

The moment you tried to throw the cart at someone, it would be too heavy to lift.


nope

because as people said, you can throw Thor at people


You can throw Thor because Thor isn't a cart.
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LightHawKnight
08/10/17 4:26:12 PM
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The hammer isn't heavy, you just can't wield it unless you are worthy. You could technically dig around the area the hammer is on, and lift that piece of ground/table/whathaveyou.
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Were_Wyrm
08/10/17 4:26:20 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
It's a buggy.

You're a buggy!
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darkphoenix181
08/10/17 4:28:05 PM
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The Deadpool posted...
You can throw Thor because Thor isn't a cart.


you can throw Thor because you are throwing Thor and not mjonrir

and that is why you can throw the cart

it works
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Were_Wyrm
08/10/17 4:30:23 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Were_Wyrm posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's a buggy.

You're a buggy!


I'm a buggy?

That's what I said.
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DevsBro
08/10/17 4:33:05 PM
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ChromaticAngel
08/10/17 4:35:33 PM
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The Deadpool posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
The Deadpool posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
The Deadpool posted...
It would move just fine.

The problem is wielding, not moving.


you can throw the cart at someone and it would be like throwing mjolnrir


It's magic. It doesn't care about technicalities.

The moment you tried to throw the cart at someone, it would be too heavy to lift.


nope

because as people said, you can throw Thor at people


You can throw Thor because Thor isn't a cart.


You would not be able to functionally use it as a weapon when throwing thor, same as throwing the cart.

If you pick up the cart and throw it, when it hits the guy, it'll hit them with the force of the cart, and the hammer would probably fall to the ground harmlessly.

So you can throw the cart with the hammer, but you still can't hit people with the hammer.
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The Deadpool
08/10/17 5:07:28 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
You would not be able to functionally use it as a weapon when throwing thor, same as throwing the cart.


Thor is worthy. Throwing Thor is okay because he is wielding the hammer, not you.

Pushing a cart is okay. Throwing the cart is okay. Throwing the cart AT someone is not. Hammer won't let you do that.

It's magic. Intent matters.
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1NfamousACE_2
08/10/17 5:10:12 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
The Deadpool posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
The Deadpool posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
The Deadpool posted...
It would move just fine.

The problem is wielding, not moving.


you can throw the cart at someone and it would be like throwing mjolnrir


It's magic. It doesn't care about technicalities.

The moment you tried to throw the cart at someone, it would be too heavy to lift.


nope

because as people said, you can throw Thor at people


You can throw Thor because Thor isn't a cart.


You would not be able to functionally use it as a weapon when throwing thor, same as throwing the cart.

If you pick up the cart and throw it, when it hits the guy, it'll hit them with the force of the cart, and the hammer would probably fall to the ground harmlessly.

So you can throw the cart with the hammer, but you still can't hit people with the hammer.


But how much does the hammer weigh?
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ChromaticAngel
08/10/17 5:15:15 PM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

But how much does the hammer weigh?


It weighs approxmately as much as it looks like it should weigh. Maybe 40/50 pounds?

The problem isn't how much it weighs. It actively resists being lifted. Like when you grab it, an invisible hand also grabs it and pulls in the opposite direction.
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Questionmarktarius
08/10/17 5:38:36 PM
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So... if Thor hands it to someone, does it just hover?
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MabusIncarnate
08/10/17 5:43:22 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
It's a buggy.

It's a shopping cart. A buggy is what you drive around in the desert.
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ChromaticAngel
08/10/17 5:43:34 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
So... if Thor hands it to someone, does it just hover?

No. It drops to the ground and all your attempts to resist gravity fail
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1NfamousACE_2
08/10/17 6:30:46 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
So... if Thor hands it to someone, does it just hover?

No. It drops to the ground and all your attempts to resist gravity fail


At what point does it drop?

If you're holding it and Thor has a pinky on it, can you feel the weight?
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darkphoenix181
08/10/17 6:32:27 PM
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what if you have your hand around the hammer and then Thor throws the hammer?

WHAT THEN HUH?
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itachi15243
08/10/17 6:33:43 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...

But how much does the hammer weigh?


It weighs approxmately as much as it looks like it should weigh. Maybe 40/50 pounds?

The problem isn't how much it weighs. It actively resists being lifted. Like when you grab it, an invisible hand also grabs it and pulls in the opposite direction.


Someone on YouTube made a real one and it was like 90 lbs

Most of CE couldn't lift that anyway
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DrizztLink
08/10/17 6:34:34 PM
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ChromaticAngel
08/10/17 7:21:41 PM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
So... if Thor hands it to someone, does it just hover?

No. It drops to the ground and all your attempts to resist gravity fail


At what point does it drop?

If you're holding it and Thor has a pinky on it, can you feel the weight?

It drops when Thor no longer has enough leverage to hold it.

itachi15243 posted...
Someone on YouTube made a real one and it was like 90 lbs


Weird, maybe the scale is poor in the movies but it doesn't look larger than 50 pound dumbell. Or maybe the metal they used is heavier than the dumbell.

I'd expect most of CE be able to lift it with both hands, but not with one, and definitely not swing it around like a weapon.
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Captain_CE
08/10/17 8:06:24 PM
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The Deadpool posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
You would not be able to functionally use it as a weapon when throwing thor, same as throwing the cart.


Thor is worthy. Throwing Thor is okay because he is wielding the hammer, not you.

Pushing a cart is okay. Throwing the cart is okay. Throwing the cart AT someone is not. Hammer won't let you do that.

It's magic. Intent matters.


So if intent matters and the hammer is placed on a table. Can the maid pick up the hammer to dust under it? Since she is picking it up to clean the table and not weld it she should be able to lift it, right?
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ChromaticAngel
08/10/17 8:09:58 PM
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Captain_CE posted...
The Deadpool posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
You would not be able to functionally use it as a weapon when throwing thor, same as throwing the cart.


Thor is worthy. Throwing Thor is okay because he is wielding the hammer, not you.

Pushing a cart is okay. Throwing the cart is okay. Throwing the cart AT someone is not. Hammer won't let you do that.

It's magic. Intent matters.


So if intent matters and the hammer is placed on a table. Can the maid pick up the hammer to dust under it? Since she is picking it up to clean the table and not weld it she should be able to lift it, right?


intent matters but not in the way he says it does as you can throw Thor at people. You cannot, by proxy, use the hammer as a weapon. You can throw the cart at someone, but you cannot hit them with the hammer in the process.

Like, if Thor just places the hammer on a plane, I can crash the plane into someone deliberately, but they will only be hit by the plane itself, plus any fire from the explosion. The hammer won't hit them.
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Captain_CE
08/10/17 8:37:23 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
intent matters but not in the way he says it does as you can throw Thor at people. You cannot, by proxy, use the hammer as a weapon. You can throw the cart at someone, but you cannot hit them with the hammer in the process.

Like, if Thor just places the hammer on a plane, I can crash the plane into someone deliberately, but they will only be hit by the plane itself, plus any fire from the explosion. The hammer won't hit them


We have already established this. My question was: Can someone pick up and move hammer that have no intention of using it as a weapon? They simply need the hammer to be in a different location.
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ChromaticAngel
08/10/17 8:39:55 PM
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Captain_CE posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
intent matters but not in the way he says it does as you can throw Thor at people. You cannot, by proxy, use the hammer as a weapon. You can throw the cart at someone, but you cannot hit them with the hammer in the process.

Like, if Thor just places the hammer on a plane, I can crash the plane into someone deliberately, but they will only be hit by the plane itself, plus any fire from the explosion. The hammer won't hit them


We have already established this. My question was: Can someone pick up and move hammer that have no intention of using it as a weapon? They simply need the hammer to be in a different location.


No they cannot pick up the hammer, period. They can pick up a sufficiently large surface that contains the hammer, and move the surface, but cannot move the hammer directly, nor can they move a surface containing the hammer in such a way that the hammer is used offensively.
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Questionmarktarius
08/10/17 9:03:23 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
No they cannot pick up the hammer, period. They can pick up a sufficiently large surface that contains the hammer, and move the surface, but cannot move the hammer directly, nor can they move a surface containing the hammer in such a way that the hammer is used offensively.

So, just leave it where it is and hit the hammer with someone's face.
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ChromaticAngel
08/10/17 10:39:17 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
No they cannot pick up the hammer, period. They can pick up a sufficiently large surface that contains the hammer, and move the surface, but cannot move the hammer directly, nor can they move a surface containing the hammer in such a way that the hammer is used offensively.

So, just leave it where it is and hit the hammer with someone's face.

That's fine, but not any more effective than hitting any other heavy metal object with someone's face unless the face in question is harder than metal.
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Amenadeel
08/13/17 12:32:27 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
The hammer isn't heavy, you just can't wield it unless you are worthy. You could technically dig around the area the hammer is on, and lift that piece of ground/table/whathaveyou.

It is heavy though, Thor puts it on Loki's chest to keep him from getting up and moving.
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Amenadeel
08/15/17 1:12:58 AM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
So... if Thor hands it to someone, does it just hover?

No. It drops to the ground and all your attempts to resist gravity fail


At what point does it drop?

If you're holding it and Thor has a pinky on it, can you feel the weight?

It drops when Thor no longer has enough leverage to hold it.

itachi15243 posted...
Someone on YouTube made a real one and it was like 90 lbs


Weird, maybe the scale is poor in the movies but it doesn't look larger than 50 pound dumbell. Or maybe the metal they used is heavier than the dumbell.

I'd expect most of CE be able to lift it with both hands, but not with one, and definitely not swing it around like a weapon.

So would you say it's 90 pounds or 50 pounds? Big weight difference there.
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Amenadeel
08/17/17 1:19:04 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
No they cannot pick up the hammer, period. They can pick up a sufficiently large surface that contains the hammer, and move the surface, but cannot move the hammer directly, nor can they move a surface containing the hammer in such a way that the hammer is used offensively.

So, just leave it where it is and hit the hammer with someone's face.

At that point they could just use any surface...
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Amenadeel
08/19/17 3:07:16 AM
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@itachi15243

Can you find that YouTube video?
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itachi15243
08/19/17 3:16:42 AM
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Amenadeel posted...
@itachi15243

Can you find that YouTube video?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8Xhzt5YQI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2OFIQ34KNc


They're both interesting takes
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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 3:17:57 AM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
The Deadpool posted...
You can throw Thor because Thor isn't a cart.


you can throw Thor because you are throwing Thor and not mjonrir

and that is why you can throw the cart

it works


The problem in that situation is that Thor is not part of the equation.

I'm with whoever said that it's magic and magic don't give a fuck about your technicalities.
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Murphiroth
08/19/17 3:42:16 AM
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Amenadeel posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
The hammer isn't heavy, you just can't wield it unless you are worthy. You could technically dig around the area the hammer is on, and lift that piece of ground/table/whathaveyou.

It is heavy though, Thor puts it on Loki's chest to keep him from getting up and moving.


That has literally nothing to do with the weight.

He puts it on Loki's chest since Loki isn't worthy and the magic pins him down.
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Back_Stabbath
08/19/17 3:47:55 AM
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Amenadeel
08/20/17 11:28:20 PM
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Lol is that the big bang theory?
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