Current Events > Isn't military the best route for mid-to-low income potential college students?

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Enlist at age 18. Serve for 3-4 years (doing as much college as you can). Be out by age 21-22. Free college. Earn four year bachelor degree by age ~26. Earn Masters by age ~30.

Get good experience, prestige, and have fun.
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You get to be a sheep
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3khc posted...

Get good experience, prestige, and have fun.

The fuck kinda reality do you live in?
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I guess if you like following orders and getting PTSD. :u
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No because then you have to be in the military
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Is there any way you can pretend to be some beta ass loser with social issues so they just dump you as a janitor/cook/package carrier and still get the benefits?

FluttershyPony posted...

Is there any way you can pretend to be some beta ass loser with social issues so they just dump you as a janitor/cook/package carrier and still get the benefits?

I don't think you'll even need to pretend. :u
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Getting a rotc scholarship generally seems a better option I think. Higher pay than enlisted and more likely to get applicable private industry experience.
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Or you could just apply for FAFSA, enroll in a community and transfer to a University?
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Not at the moment, no.
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Darkrobotisback posted...

Or you could just apply for FAFSA, enroll in a community and transfer to a University?

This, I'd rather owe the $20k than give up a couple years of my life.
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FluttershyPony posted...

Is there any way you can pretend to be some beta ass loser with social issues so they just dump you as a janitor/cook/package carrier and still get the benefits?

They don't just dump you. People in this topic Jesus. You pick what job you want. If you are dumb and score badly on the ASVAB, cook is probably what you get

And yes it is honestly. But drones on Internet forum thinks enlisting makes you a sheep that kills people and gets PTSD

I enlisted at 18 and I'm now serving my last month. Just from deploying once I ended up winning out in life.
Got decent money saved from it
Benefits
All my school is paid for and every month I'm in school I get a nice 1,200 too.
I got extra points in my police testing so I got placed way higher too.
Looks good on my resume

It's a no brainer
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darkprince45 posted...

FluttershyPony posted...

Is there any way you can pretend to be some beta ass loser with social issues so they just dump you as a janitor/cook/package carrier and still get the benefits?

They don't just dump you. People in this topic Jesus. You pick what job you want. If you are dumb and score badly on the ASVAB, cook is probably what you get

And yes it is honestly. But drones on Internet forum thinks enlisting makes you a sheep that kills people and gets PTSD

I enlisted at 18 and I'm now serving my last month. Just from deploying once I ended up winning out in life.
Got decent money saved from it
Benefits
All my school is paid for and every month I'm in school I get a nice 1,200 too.
I got extra points in my police testing so I got placed way higher too.
Looks good on my resume

It's a no brainer

Doesn't a ton of sexual abuse happen in the military too? That the guys are conditioned to never talk about?
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can i sign up now that i have a masters and they pay down my student loan debt?
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darkprince45 posted...

FluttershyPony posted...

Is there any way you can pretend to be some beta ass loser with social issues so they just dump you as a janitor/cook/package carrier and still get the benefits?

They don't just dump you. People in this topic Jesus. You pick what job you want. If you are dumb and score badly on the ASVAB, cook is probably what you get

And yes it is honestly. But drones on Internet forum thinks enlisting makes you a sheep that kills people and gets PTSD

I enlisted at 18 and I'm now serving my last month. Just from deploying once I ended up winning out in life.
Got decent money saved from it
Benefits
All my school is paid for and every month I'm in school I get a nice 1,200 too.
I got extra points in my police testing so I got placed way higher too.
Looks good on my resume

It's a no brainer

It's a lot better makin food and doin stuff on your own/with some guys than being harassed by some meathead drill sergeant all day and jogging with all those heavyass weights like a grunt.

At peace time sure.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

darkprince45 posted...

FluttershyPony posted...

Is there any way you can pretend to be some beta ass loser with social issues so they just dump you as a janitor/cook/package carrier and still get the benefits?

They don't just dump you. People in this topic Jesus. You pick what job you want. If you are dumb and score badly on the ASVAB, cook is probably what you get

And yes it is honestly. But drones on Internet forum thinks enlisting makes you a sheep that kills people and gets PTSD

I enlisted at 18 and I'm now serving my last month. Just from deploying once I ended up winning out in life.
Got decent money saved from it
Benefits
All my school is paid for and every month I'm in school I get a nice 1,200 too.
I got extra points in my police testing so I got placed way higher too.
Looks good on my resume

It's a no brainer

Doesn't a ton of sexual abuse happen in the military too? That the guys are conditioned to never talk about?

I mean probably at the same rate as anywhere else in life? I've honestly never experienced that in my whole career or knew anyone. I saw one female experience a sexual harassment case.

And where are they conditioned? Are you you're just not assuming from watching Vietnam era movies????

SHARP is a big deal in the army and there monthly if not bi weekly classes and group sessions about it

It's not tolerated, it's punished hard, and people are encouraged to speak
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FluttershyPony posted...

darkprince45 posted...

FluttershyPony posted...

Is there any way you can pretend to be some beta ass loser with social issues so they just dump you as a janitor/cook/package carrier and still get the benefits?

They don't just dump you. People in this topic Jesus. You pick what job you want. If you are dumb and score badly on the ASVAB, cook is probably what you get

And yes it is honestly. But drones on Internet forum thinks enlisting makes you a sheep that kills people and gets PTSD

I enlisted at 18 and I'm now serving my last month. Just from deploying once I ended up winning out in life.
Got decent money saved from it
Benefits
All my school is paid for and every month I'm in school I get a nice 1,200 too.
I got extra points in my police testing so I got placed way higher too.
Looks good on my resume

It's a no brainer

It's a lot better makin food and doin stuff on your own/with some guys than being harassed by some meathead drill sergeant all day and jogging with all those heavyass weights like a grunt.

You mean a 9 week boot camp where after the shark attack they're pretty respectful and become a mentor? The real army is nothing like boot camp anyways, overseas I had 2 days off a week doing whatever i want. Making my food in our house and playing my Xbox or PS4. Or we would go out and have a BBQ

I never carried weights while and you'll never do that in boot camp either lol. There are specific guidelines and rules DS's follow

Jesus Christ you people are really that unaware
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Balrog0 posted...

can i sign up now that i have a masters and they pay down my student loan debt?

There is a student loan repayment program. With a masters you'd want to go officer and I don't know how that works.
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They will pay your debt. At a masters definitely go the officer route. You get paid waaaaaay more, it's easy, treated like royalty too
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justaguy3492 posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

Or you could just apply for FAFSA, enroll in a community and transfer to a University?

This, I'd rather owe the $20k than give up a couple years of my life.

I mean if you got at least a 3.0~3.5 GPA you can apply certain grants that might cut the cost of the schools tuition, maybe even a earn "free ride" if you're lucky enough...
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darkprince45 posted...

FluttershyPony posted...

darkprince45 posted...

FluttershyPony posted...

Is there any way you can pretend to be some beta ass loser with social issues so they just dump you as a janitor/cook/package carrier and still get the benefits?

They don't just dump you. People in this topic Jesus. You pick what job you want. If you are dumb and score badly on the ASVAB, cook is probably what you get

And yes it is honestly. But drones on Internet forum thinks enlisting makes you a sheep that kills people and gets PTSD

I enlisted at 18 and I'm now serving my last month. Just from deploying once I ended up winning out in life.
Got decent money saved from it
Benefits
All my school is paid for and every month I'm in school I get a nice 1,200 too.
I got extra points in my police testing so I got placed way higher too.
Looks good on my resume

It's a no brainer

It's a lot better makin food and doin stuff on your own/with some guys than being harassed by some meathead drill sergeant all day and jogging with all those heavyass weights like a grunt.

You mean a 9 week boot camp where after the shark attack they're pretty respectful and become a mentor? The real army is nothing like boot camp anyways, overseas I had 2 days off a week doing whatever i want. Making my food in our house and playing my Xbox or PS4. Or we would go out and have a BBQ

I never carried weights while and you'll never do that in boot camp either lol. There are specific guidelines and rules DS's follow

Jesus Christ you people are really that unaware

I think they have a warped view of the military.

I'm 31 now and trying to lose weight to join the Navy before I age out. Really regretting not joining right out of high school, but that's what I get for letting other people talk me out of it.
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One advantage of going in as you're older is you'll be a lot more mature. You watch as a bunch of 18 year olds become adults. It's hilarious
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buddyboigiru posted...

You get to be a sheep

What job out of high school doesn't turn you into a sheep?

DarkBuster22904 posted...

The fuck kinda reality do you live in?

The kind that allows people to make the most of their situation.

OpheliaAdenade posted...

I guess if you like following orders and getting PTSD. :u

PTSD is a risk, yes, but depending on your MOS. Following orders is not as bad as you think.

MonkeyBones23 posted...

No because then you have to be in the military

Many perks come with that from discount benefits to street prestige.

FluttershyPony posted...

Is there any way you can pretend to be some beta ass loser with social issues so they just dump you as a janitor/cook/package carrier and still get the benefits?

Those are jobs you can select lol.

KILBOTz posted...

Getting a rotc scholarship generally seems a better option I think. Higher pay than enlisted and more likely to get applicable private industry experience.

Good option if you have a better idea of what you want to do after high school.

Darkrobotisback posted...

Or you could just apply for FAFSA, enroll in a community and transfer to a University?

Military nets you the GI Bill and you're still eligible for FAFSA. Depending on how you manage time while you serve, you may knock out college before you are discharged. Then transfer to University
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darkprince45 posted...

One advantage of going in as you're older is you'll be a lot more mature. You watch as a bunch of 18 year olds become adults. It's hilarious

Maybe. I spoke to a Navy recruiter a couple months ago. He didn't seem to think my age would be much of an issue, except I'm too old to enter the nuclear program.

He ha some take a practice aptitude test and apparently I did well enough that he really wants me to join. I think I scored a 68? I don't remember exactly, but I'd probably do better if I actually prepare for the real one.
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This topic is asinine

I was in the military, it was awful. If you feel like you should have your independence taken from you, and constantly feel like someones bitch, then go ahead.

I remember being a grown ass man at 25, doing pushups in a hallway, because someone left a turd in the community bathroom in the barracks.

Just get a loan, a job, and go to school.
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hyperpowder posted...

This topic is asinine

I was in the military, it was awful. If you feel like you should have your independence taken from you, and constantly feel like someones bitch, then go ahead.

I remember being a grown ass man at 25, doing pushups in a hallway, because someone left a turd in the community bathroom in the barracks.

Just get a loan, a job, and go to school.

Yea, I could never do it just for this reason. I'm no one's bitch.
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hyperpowder posted...

This topic is asinine

I was in the military, it was awful. If you feel like you should have your independence taken from you, and constantly feel like someones bitch, then go ahead.

I remember being a grown ass man at 25, doing pushups in a hallway, because someone left a turd in the community bathroom in the barracks.

Just get a loan, a job, and go to school.

Sounds like you just had a bad experience and probably a bad MOS
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darkprince45 posted...

hyperpowder posted...

This topic is asinine

I was in the military, it was awful. If you feel like you should have your independence taken from you, and constantly feel like someones bitch, then go ahead.

I remember being a grown ass man at 25, doing pushups in a hallway, because someone left a turd in the community bathroom in the barracks.

Just get a loan, a job, and go to school.

Sounds like you just had a bad experience and probably a bad MOS

If I may ask, what branch have you served in and what was your specialty?

As I mentioned, I want to go into the Navy, but I haven't been able to decide on what kind of role I want to fill. I'm thinking something with electrical work or logistics. Part of me wants to become a helicopter pilot though.
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Army, And I had two MOS's. MP and prison guard
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One 4 year contract is nothing when you get college payed for afterwards, especially if you have a chill job.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

3khc posted...

Get good experience, prestige, and have fun.

The fuck kinda reality do you live in?

Were you ever in the military?
There are times when you get to have a lot of fun.
Especially if you get assigned overseas.
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BalisticWarri0r posted...

One 4 year contract is nothing when you get college payed for afterwards, especially if you have a chill job.

Hell, you can probably get away with just 3 years if you hate it so much (just fail the APFT, as long as the discharge is categorized as Honorable) and use the Pell to make up the 20% difference (3 years of service is 80%, IIRC)

darkprince45 posted...

I mean probably at the same rate as anywhere else in life? I've honestly never experienced that in my whole career or knew anyone. I saw one female experience a sexual harassment case.

It's not tolerated, it's punished hard, and people are encouraged to speak

pretty much every topic on reddit where women in the military talk about the subject they say the complete opposite
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darkprince45 posted...

FluttershyPony posted...

Is there any way you can pretend to be some beta ass loser with social issues so they just dump you as a janitor/cook/package carrier and still get the benefits?

They don't just dump you. People in this topic Jesus. You pick what job you want. If you are dumb and score badly on the ASVAB, cook is probably what you get

And yes it is honestly. But drones on Internet forum thinks enlisting makes you a sheep that kills people and gets PTSD

I enlisted at 18 and I'm now serving my last month. Just from deploying once I ended up winning out in life.
Got decent money saved from it
Benefits
All my school is paid for and every month I'm in school I get a nice 1,200 too.
I got extra points in my police testing so I got placed way higher too.
Looks good on my resume

It's a no brainer

Thanks for your service amigo.
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Sure, but why would I want to sell my soul to become nameless cannon fodder meant only to fuel the fires of Donald Trump's corporate war machine just for cheap college?
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

I guess if you like following orders and getting PTSD. :u

Uh, wut

Are you one of those people that think that every soldier in the military totes an M4/M16 and fights on the frontline?

Because the majority of positions in the military are non-combatant, or behind the front lines.
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There are three main routes for the average mid-to-low income American out of high school:

1) College. The faster you finish, the faster you can utilize degree.
2) Military. Freedom turns into duty, but with great incentives.
3) Work. Get right into making money, hopefully using a marketable trade skill.

College leads into work or military, but it will make each path that much easier with a degree.

Military can seem daunting due to the fact you're locked in and have to follow rules, but it's the "safest" path.

Work gives you the most freedom, but it's the riskiest of all.
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Eh, I don't know about "best" as whether or not someone will enjoy the military is heavily reliant on the individual.

I know when I was 18 for example, despite being lower class with no college prospects, despite my dad and step-mom being in the Navy, I had *zero* fucking interest in ever being involved with the military.

I'm 33 now, still as jobless and devoid of an education today as I was back then, but I don't regret my decision to avoid enlistment in the slightest because I *know* I would have abhorred the experience and come out worst off then I am now in the long-run.
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3khc posted...

have fun.

hahahaha

seriously though

http://abcnews.go.com/US/va-releases-results-largest-analysis-veteran-suicide-rates/story?id=40401007

1/5 of all suicides are veterans.
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Darkman124 posted...

3khc posted...

have fun.

hahahaha

seriously though

http://abcnews.go.com/US/va-releases-results-largest-analysis-veteran-suicide-rates/story?id=40401007

1/5 of all suicides are veterans.

And how many are civilians?
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3khc posted...

And how many are civilians?

4/5, but only 7% of the population are veterans, so serving increases your risk of suicide by 300%
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18 yrs old. Outta high school. We often think of short term but what about long term??

Technically you can enlist 18...Retire 38.
Usually ONLY successful entrepreneurs have that luxury.

Imagine retiring under 40 years old. Howd you maximize the retirement benefit?hmm..


Enlist 18.
Work on bachelors degree while serving
Become NCO
Graduate.
Earn commission as officer
Retire as major or better before 40.

Of course if you still need to work for your family, youd work. But for another 20 yrs you might be able to retire twice...

Then again this route is of course dependant on the individual and everyones different. Still challenging enough to do to keep you on your toes as you age and all.
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Lol. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to join the military. Sorry. With all these battles we are fighting and the odds are Korea is next. I would never.

I'd rather my kid play football without a helmet.
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Honestly thinking back on it., if I was 18 again I would have joined the military. That probably would have been the best thing for me. Once my senior year of high school hit I just stopped caring. I already knew I was gonna graduate so I was going out to parties and drinking more and didn't care about college at that time.
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HBOSS posted...

18 yrs old. Outta high school. We often think of short term but what about long term??

Technically you can enlist 18...Retire 38.
Usually ONLY successful entrepreneurs have that luxury.

Imagine retiring under 40 years old. Howd you maximize the retirement benefit?hmm..


Enlist 18.
Work on bachelors degree while serving
Become NCO
Graduate.
Earn commission as officer
Retire as major or better before 40.

Of course if you still need to work for your family, youd work. But for another 20 yrs you might be able to retire twice...

Then again this route is of course dependant on the individual and everyones different. Still challenging enough to do to keep you on your toes as you age and all.

I knew a guy who was in his 60s. He spent 20 years in the army and retired. Then he spent 20 years in the post office and retired. And then he was working on base making more money. Happiest dude I have ever met.

darkprince45 posted...

hyperpowder posted...

This topic is asinine

I was in the military, it was awful. If you feel like you should have your independence taken from you, and constantly feel like someones bitch, then go ahead.

I remember being a grown ass man at 25, doing pushups in a hallway, because someone left a turd in the community bathroom in the barracks.

Just get a loan, a job, and go to school.

Sounds like you just had a bad experience and probably a bad MOS

92A Logistics

My time was a cakewalk, downrange was a cakewalk (Iraq was probably the best time enlisted because everyone treated everyone with respect), i was in Germany and had a blast.

But there is sooooooo much bullshit in the military. If youre in your 20s-30s and ever wanna feel like a 6 year old getting constantly scolded and punished by your parents, then the military is perfect for you...
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This is honestly the first time I have ever heard someone regret their service.
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3khc posted...

This is honestly the first time I have ever heard someone regret their service.

he's a manchild ceman who has a problem with people in authority exercising their authority

i'll be the first to admit the military is filled with idiots with power
and this guy still sounds like he's just a huge whiner
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3khc posted...

This is honestly the first time I have ever heard someone regret their service.

You haven't looked very hard, have you
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