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No. 1:St Paul’s advice about whether women are allowed to teach men in church:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

No. 2: In this verse, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, orders genocide against a neighbouring people:

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

No. 3: A command of Moses:

“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

No. 4: The ending of Psalm 137, a psalm which was made into a disco calypso hit by Boney M, is often omitted from readings in church:

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

No. 5: Another blood-curdling tale from the Book of Judges, where an Israelite man is trapped in a house by a hostile crowd, and sends out his concubine to placate them:

“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)
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No. 6: St Paul condemns homosexuality in the opening chapter of the Book of Romans:

“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

No. 7: In this story from the Book of Judges, an Israelite leader, Jephthah, makes a rash vow to God, which has to be carried out:

“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

No. 8: The Lord is speaking to Abraham in this story where God commands him to sacrifice his son:

‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

No. 9: “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

No. 10: “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
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dont try to make sense of the bible. there's no point

Those are the old ways.

Now you can choose your own gender if you please.
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breaking news: women and homosexuals had it rough back in the day.

the bible was written by people and people are awful.
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The first one means women should be silent.

i don't see jesus words there anywhere. Old Testament was written by heathens and New Testament was recorded and edited by heathens
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The only possible responses to these kinds of verses are either "I agree wholeheartedly with these verses" or "It was written a long time ago and not actually written by God." That tells you all you need to know about how much of a sham Christianity is.
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just because the words are literally printed in the bible doesn't it mean it's the teaching of God. The concubine story e.g. literally is just an account of what happened. It doesn't mean god sanctioned that activity
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Looks like I (Butters) just made a prophecy that came true.
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This I the infallible word of God.
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"Let there be shitposting." - (Cemen 22:11)
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Pick and choose what we follow. I bet Paula White completely overlooks that first one.
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now explain these mathiew verses from the new testament

Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19
"The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21
Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen 19:24). 10:14-15
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death
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Those are also the infallible word of God.
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Post the full, actual verses and not your atheist infested viewpoints of them.
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Hey posted...

Post the full, actual verses and not your atheist infested viewpoints of them.

Why don't you post your own verses?
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Found more. Dafuq?

When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. Leviticus 15: 19-20
When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Deuteronomy 25:11-12

Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.
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Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself.
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No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD. Deuteronomy 23:1 NRSV
Whosoever … hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookback, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken … He shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries. Leviticus 21:17-23 KJV
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epik_fail1 posted...

No. 1:St Paul’s advice about whether women are allowed to teach men in church:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female – for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. St. Paul on men and women
No. 2:
“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)
God is protecting his people
No. 3: A command of Moses:

“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)
Deuteronomy 18:9–12 says, “When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord.” God does not tolerate witchcraft
No. 4:
“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)
Eye for an eye
No. 5:
“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)
Literally a story with no judgement from ANY parishioner.

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SuperBaller posted...

The first one means women should be silent.

this made me laugh more than Ive laughed all day

Thats about as far as I got too
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epik_fail1 posted...

No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD. Deuteronomy 23:1 NRSV
Matthew 19:11-12

But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Whosoever … hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookback, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken … He shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries. Leviticus 21:17-23 KJV
John 6:37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

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You might not get many answers here. Most of this board are non believing atheists.
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epik_fail1 posted...

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

Disclaimer: I'm not religious.

This verse is because woman was created from Man according to the Bible. Eve was born from Adam's rib, so part of man shall not have authority over man.
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No. 8: The Lord is speaking to Abraham in this story where God commands him to sacrifice his son:

‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

Oh, God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe said, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God said, "No" Abe say, "What?"
God say, "You can do what you want, Abe, but
The next time you see me comin', you better run"
Well, Abe said, "Where d'you want this killin' done?"
God said, "Out on Highway 61"

Ezekiel 23:20
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epik_fail1 posted...

No. 8: The Lord is speaking to Abraham in this story where God commands him to sacrifice his son:

‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

Old Testemant God, who is the only one the Jewish people worship, is a massive dick. It was a test of faith, even if he never intended for Abraham to do it.
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All are divinely inspired by God himself.
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"B-B-B-But Islam!!11"
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tl;dr:
Leviticus is a sort of survival guide for transients lost in a desert.
Judges is the chronicle of the tyranny that ensued when those transients finally settled, and built a small empire.
Paul was desperately trying to re-inject old law into a relatively new splinter movement that was gaining unexpected traction.

Also that Psalm is a poem by an Israelite longing for his homeland and hating his captors
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John 13: 34 - 35

“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

aka jesus just retconned the old testament's rules

nobody takes the old testament literally except for some tiny, fringe, radical christian groups
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TomNook20 posted...

"Let there be shitposting." - (Cemen 22:11)

No that's CEmen 1:1
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1. In the first century Jewish culture, women were nit allowed to study. When Paul said women should learn quietly and humbly he was offering them an amazing new opportunity. Paul did not want the women to teach because they didn't yet have enough knowledge or experience.

2. The Amalekites were like terrorists that always raided and killed Gods chosen people.

3.sorcery was punishable because it was a crime against god himself that invoked evil powers that violated the first commandment have no other gods. In essence it was teaming up with Satan instead of god.
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4. God destroyed Babylon and its offspring for their proud assault against God and his kingdom. The Medes and Persians destroyed Babylon in 593 B.C. Many of those who were oppressed lived to see the victory. The psalmist is crying out for judgement: "Treat the Babylonians the way they treated us.

5. The two men were selfish, they lacked courage, and they disobeyed gods law.

6. Sin distorts the natural use of gods gifts.
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Paul's letters are answers to unknown questions.
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7. Joseph's rash vow brought him unspeakable grief. In the heat of emotion he made a foolish promise to God

8. Abraham performed one of the greatest acts of obedience in recorded history. God gave him the test to deepen his capacity to obey God.

9. Paul told wives to submit to your own husbands not other men. Paul told husbands to love your wives not other women.

10. Many Christians were household servants. Peter encouraged loyalty and persistence even in the face of unjust treatment.
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We should just ask stroke gently.
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So you have your nuts crushed but at least you don't go to hell?
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epik_fail1 posted...

Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.

"Kid" means "little goat", not "human child".
What health or cross-contamination issue this is addressing, I don't know.
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Really I don't understand why there is so much confusion here. It is the word of Heavenly Father.
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CE totally believes what social media says, and even hops when social media says to... but shuns Christianity because it requires them to be a better person.
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Laserion posted...

epik_fail1 posted...

Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.

"Kid" means "little goat", not "human child".
What health or cross-contamination issue this is addressing, I don't know.

Not as weird, but still weird
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epik_fail1 posted...

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

it literally explains it

1 timothy 2
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

this not being a custom of the Jews but something Paul here ascribes to causation from the Genesis account

however, what is lacking in understanding here is that this is only in worship

elsewhere, women may do as they please and be over a man and speak whatever they want


1 corinthians 14
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

so in essence this verse does not condemn a woman from being a CEO
but it does condemn a woman from being a preacher
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Medz2017 posted...

1. In the first century Jewish culture, women were nit allowed to study. When Paul said women should learn quietly and humbly he was offering them an amazing new opportunity. Paul did not want the women to teach because they didn't yet have enough knowledge or experience.

incorrect

Paul doesn't say "this is our custom and culture"

he says "for Adam was first formed, then Eve.And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

he also says "they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law."


you can't weasel your way out of this by saying "oh that was just the culture then"

this is the Apostle Paul with the Holy Spirit saying it

if you want to be a Christian, you better take heed to it and not write off

otherwise what is the point? why be a Christian? If you don't like what the bible says, don't be a Christian
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Medz2017 posted...

1. In the first century Jewish culture, women were nit allowed to study. When Paul said women should learn quietly and humbly he was offering them an amazing new opportunity. Paul did not want the women to teach because they didn't yet have enough knowledge or experience.

incorrect

Paul doesn't say "this is our custom and culture"

he says "for Adam was first formed, then Eve.And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

he also says "they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law."


you can't weasel your way out of this by saying "oh that was just the culture then"

this is the Apostle Paul with the Holy Spirit saying it

if you want to be a Christian, you better take heed to it and not write off

otherwise what is the point? why be a Christian? If you don't like what the bible says, don't be a Christian

I never used it was their culture. In fact I said he was encouraging women to study, something that was not part of their culture
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Medz2017 posted...

I never used it was their culture.

my bad, perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying

I apologize

nevertheless my message will apply to many and while my intent isn't to make anyone angry it likely will

this is in the bible and Paul was an apostle, yet many would just handwave over him here like he was some joe smoe benchwarmer and then call themselves a Christian
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darkphoenix181 posted...

epik_fail1 posted...

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

it literally explains it

1 timothy 2
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

I wonder how things would have turned out if the serpent just went straight to Adam instead of Eve first.

Interesting though that nothing happened when Eve took a bite of the fruit, but Adam triggered it's effect when he bit it.
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