Current Events > My friend said that IQ levels don't mean anything

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Jealous?
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Pretty sure IQ is outdated
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Well I mean, they are about as useful as SAT and other scores. Test your ability to do something specific.
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I wouldn't say they're useless, but certainly, they don't capture intelligence any more than a single number can. They're a small part of the full picture.

It is a very oversimplified measure of intelligence
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As someone with an above average IQ (please don't read that in a cringe-worthy, neckbeard way. I don't proclaim it often at all.) I have pondered this same thing as well. Kinda makes sense. My higher IQ also seems to be related to my anxiety, depression, overthinking, etc. So while my "average" friends are just getting to work and busting ass without questioning it, I'm just in my head all day pondering life and worthless, philosophical shit and questioning why we even have to work and getting passed up in the meantime. I can see this being more accurate than the default "omg wtf lolol what an idiot" response most would meet it with.
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They mean something, but they don't mean everything.

IQ measures your logical ability, which is only one slice of the pie in your brain.
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IQ is the best indicator we have for how successful you will be in life.

Not sure where this "IQ is outdated" meme came from.

https://www.iq-brain.com/blog/iq-success/
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

IQ is the best indicator we have for how successful you will be in life.

...lol.
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COVxy posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

IQ is the best indicator we have for how successful you will be in life.

...lol.

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COVxy posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

IQ is the best indicator we have for how successful you will be in life.

...lol.

Yes lol indeed. That is not at all what IQ indicates.
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brain_soiled posted...

As someone with an above average IQ (please don't read that in a cringe-worthy, neckbeard way. I don't proclaim it often at all.) I have pondered this same thing as well. Kinda makes sense. My higher IQ also seems to be related to my anxiety, depression, overthinking, etc. So while my "average" friends are just getting to work and busting ass without questioning it, I'm just in my head all day pondering life and worthless, philosophical shit and questioning why we even have to work and getting passed up in the meantime. I can see this being more accurate than the default "omg wtf lolol what an idiot" response most would meet it with.

Yeah this is called being too smart for your own good. It's more isolating than it is a privilege.
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Let me put it another way

Do you put IQ on your resume? College applications? Anywhere important?

No?

/topic
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I have the highest IQ in this topic, therefore, I am the best.

The IQ of an individual is about as indicative of anything as is the BMI of an individual.
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I wonder what their argument is.
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brain_soiled posted...

As someone with an above average IQ (please don't read that in a cringe-worthy, neckbeard way. I don't proclaim it often at all.) I have pondered this same thing as well. Kinda makes sense. My higher IQ also seems to be related to my anxiety, depression, overthinking, etc. So while my "average" friends are just getting to work and busting ass without questioning it, I'm just in my head all day pondering life and worthless, philosophical shit and questioning why we even have to work and getting passed up in the meantime. I can see this being more accurate than the default "omg wtf lolol what an idiot" response most would meet it with.

As your god-emperor, I would say these problems only affect lesser minds that are common in your caste.
Your so-called intellectual concerns are nothing but amusing afterthoughts to a being such as I.
Now return to my mines or I will see that you will not be wasting my time thinking anymore.
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brain_soiled posted...

As someone with an above average IQ (please don't read that in a cringe-worthy, neckbeard way. I don't proclaim it often at all.) I have pondered this same thing as well. Kinda makes sense. My higher IQ also seems to be related to my anxiety, depression, overthinking, etc. So while my "average" friends are just getting to work and busting ass without questioning it, I'm just in my head all day pondering life and worthless, philosophical shit and questioning why we even have to work and getting passed up in the meantime. I can see this being more accurate than the default "omg wtf lolol what an idiot" response most would meet it with.

I really doubt mental health issues have anything to do with intelligence. Its likely biological thing and environmental like how you were raised etc. Depression and anxiety actually makes you dumber because it lowers your cognitive skills a lot. Making it harder to focus on things, so of course you will be living in your head more.
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Your friend is mostly right. Very rarely will this come up. And seldom will it carry weight when placed next to your actual accomplishments.

Potential is not the same as results.
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IQ correlates really well with life success. Not the end all be all obviously, but saying IQ doesn't matter is foolish.

Slayerblade11 posted...

IQ correlates really well with life success. Not the end all be all obviously, but saying IQ doesn't matter is foolish.

If IQ predicts any more than 10% of the variance of any life success outcome variables, I'd be shocked.

5% after accounting for family wealth would shock me.
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TommyG663513 posted...

COVxy posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

IQ is the best indicator we have for how successful you will be in life.

...lol.

Yes lol indeed. That is not at all what IQ indicates.

I like how you fools completely ignored the source in my post which proves I'm right.

lol indeed!
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IQ is your potential. Someone can have the drive, the opportunity and resources to do anything but, if they lack the raw grey matter they won't get very far.

Sephiroth1288 posted...

I like how you fools completely ignored the source in my post which proves I'm right.

lol indeed!

The blog post you posted does not support your statement, not even close.
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scar the 1 posted...

The IQ of an individual is about as indicative of anything as is the BMI of an individual.

Generally accurate with a few outliers?
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COVxy posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

I like how you fools completely ignored the source in my post which proves I'm right.

lol indeed!

The blog post you posted does not support your statement, not even close.

^ This people is why you should always judge a citation by the sources it uses.
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I was always in the "gifted" program in primary school, which is only for people with 130+ IQ. That being said, IQ is bullshit and meaningless.
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The issue with IQ tests is that you're scored against other people who took the same test and these tests are most often administered to people with disabilities to see how bad their development is. Generally speaking, well-functioning adults are not given an IQ exam, so when one does take the test, an IQ of 130 shouldn't be a surprising result and yet people still feel the need to brag about it.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

COVxy posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

I like how you fools completely ignored the source in my post which proves I'm right.

lol indeed!

The blog post you posted does not support your statement, not even close.

^ This people is why you should always judge a citation by the sources it uses.

Uh, I meant that the information inside the blog post didn't support the statement you made.
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KILBOTz posted...

scar the 1 posted...

The IQ of an individual is about as indicative of anything as is the BMI of an individual.

Generally accurate with a few outliers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index

BMI was designed to be used as a simple means of classifying average sedentary (physically inactive) populations
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Carl Lavie has written that, "The B.M.I. tables are excellent for identifying obesity and body fat in large populations, but they are far less reliable for determining fatness in individuals."
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The WHO regards a BMI of less than 18.5 as underweight and may indicate malnutrition, an eating disorder, or other health problems, while a BMI equal to or greater than 25 is considered overweight and above 30 is considered obese. These ranges of BMI values are valid only as statistical categories.
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brain_soiled posted...

As someone with an above average IQ (please don't read that in a cringe-worthy, neckbeard way. I don't proclaim it often at all.) I have pondered this same thing as well. Kinda makes sense. My higher IQ also seems to be related to my anxiety, depression, overthinking, etc. So while my "average" friends are just getting to work and busting ass without questioning it, I'm just in my head all day pondering life and worthless, philosophical shit and questioning why we even have to work and getting passed up in the meantime. I can see this being more accurate than the default "omg wtf lolol what an idiot" response most would meet it with.

I know exactly how you feel
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scar the 1 posted...

KILBOTz posted...

scar the 1 posted...

The IQ of an individual is about as indicative of anything as is the BMI of an individual.

Generally accurate with a few outliers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index

BMI was designed to be used as a simple means of classifying average sedentary (physically inactive) populations
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Carl Lavie has written that, "The B.M.I. tables are excellent for identifying obesity and body fat in large populations, but they are far less reliable for determining fatness in individuals."
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The WHO regards a BMI of less than 18.5 as underweight and may indicate malnutrition, an eating disorder, or other health problems, while a BMI equal to or greater than 25 is considered overweight and above 30 is considered obese. These ranges of BMI values are valid only as statistical categories.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/summer-of-science-2015/latest/how-often-is-bmi-misleading

~18% of people are BMI outliers. For men about 12% BMI claims they are obese when they are under 25% body fat and 6% have a BMI that is healthy but are over 25% body fat.

For women 3% of women BMI calls obese have a less than 35% body fat and 15% of women with normal or underweight BMI have a bodyfat % over 35%.

"Far less reliable in individuals" doesn't mean that throw the tool out. It is useful. The vast majority of people's body fat falls in the expected range based on their BMI.

These outliers tend to be people that are really tall, really short, or really muscular. Men are more likely to have lower body fat % than their BMI would suggest, women are more likely to have a higher body fat % than their BMI would suggest.

IQ tests aren't perfect for measuring a person's intelligence, neither are SATs and the BMI isn't perfect for measuring someone's body fat %. But in all cases the outliers are relatively small % wise and the tool still provides useful information on individuals.
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Murayomi posted...

COVxy posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

IQ is the best indicator we have for how successful you will be in life.

...lol.

KILBOTz posted...

"Far less reliable in individuals" doesn't mean that throw the tool out. It is useful. The vast majority of people's body fat falls in the expected range based on their BMI.

These outliers tend to be people that are really tall, really short, or really muscular. Men are more likely to have lower body fat % than their BMI would suggest, women are more likely to have a higher body fat % than their BMI would suggest.

You raise a valid point, and I didn't really give good reasoning to my original point. I meant that it's not a good indicator. Much like how IQ is probably a much worse indicator of success than, say, parents' wealth, BMI is likely not a very good indicator of bad health compared to other things that more accurately describe the lifestyle and/or ability of the individual. At my uni a large study of people 55 and older was done to see the effects of lots of different parameters had on lifespan. Overweight wasn't found to strongly affect the lifespan one way or another. However, low mobility (defined as how well the individual could stand up, walk around some steps, and sit down) was one of the strongest indicators of "you'll die soon". So that's partly what I meant as well, and I agree that the wiki page didn't speak much to that point. I'm sorry I was unclear.
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I think we also may have different definitions of "success".

The child of a rich person is certainly likely to be rich themselves. But if they didn't do anything to build that wealth or grow it, I don't think they are successful, they are leaches living a good leach life.

Success to me is more earning the money yourself, having patents or published papers or winning industry awards, stuff like that.

I do think that IQ is one of the more important factors in success.
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Sami1000 posted...

brain_soiled posted...

As someone with an above average IQ (please don't read that in a cringe-worthy, neckbeard way. I don't proclaim it often at all.) I have pondered this same thing as well. Kinda makes sense. My higher IQ also seems to be related to my anxiety, depression, overthinking, etc. So while my "average" friends are just getting to work and busting ass without questioning it, I'm just in my head all day pondering life and worthless, philosophical shit and questioning why we even have to work and getting passed up in the meantime. I can see this being more accurate than the default "omg wtf lolol what an idiot" response most would meet it with.

I really doubt mental health issues have anything to do with intelligence. Its likely biological thing and environmental like how you were raised etc. Depression and anxiety actually makes you dumber because it lowers your cognitive skills a lot. Making it harder to focus on things, so of course you will be living in your head more.

Countless medical studies disagree entirely with you, and support what this guy is saying.
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KILBOTz posted...

The child of a rich person is certainly likely to be rich themselves. But if they didn't do anything to build that wealth or grow it, I don't think they are successful, they are leaches living a good leach life.

Success to me is more earning the money yourself, having patents or published papers or winning industry awards, stuff like that.

And my point (as well as COVxy's I guess) is that IQ in itself is likely heavily dependent on the environment you were brought up in, which is why, if you control for parents' wealth, the correlation between high IQ and what you define as success goes way, way down.
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Conception616 posted...

Sami1000 posted...

brain_soiled posted...

As someone with an above average IQ (please don't read that in a cringe-worthy, neckbeard way. I don't proclaim it often at all.) I have pondered this same thing as well. Kinda makes sense. My higher IQ also seems to be related to my anxiety, depression, overthinking, etc. So while my "average" friends are just getting to work and busting ass without questioning it, I'm just in my head all day pondering life and worthless, philosophical shit and questioning why we even have to work and getting passed up in the meantime. I can see this being more accurate than the default "omg wtf lolol what an idiot" response most would meet it with.

I really doubt mental health issues have anything to do with intelligence. Its likely biological thing and environmental like how you were raised etc. Depression and anxiety actually makes you dumber because it lowers your cognitive skills a lot. Making it harder to focus on things, so of course you will be living in your head more.

Countless medical studies disagree entirely with you, and support what this guy is saying.

Any links to these studies? I have only ever heard from people who have mental health issues that "i heard that having depression/anxiety/ocd etc. Can be sign that you're actually very intelligent" and then they go showing their own self love as saying " i think this is correct, because i have this and that and measured my iq to be x bla bla bla". All the while trying to use proper grammar, and use fancy words they NEVER used before and shit like that.

Can intelligent people have mental health issues? Yes. Is it a sign you're very intelligent? No.
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It tells a lot, but it doesn't necessarily project how a person will succeed. Sadly, this world focuses more on connections, conformity, and status than it does intelligence.
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i love it when dbags at work who brag about their mensa memberships ask me for help and i get to tell them how stupid they are for their fuck ups...
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snoop has an iq of 140 and he is very successful
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scar the 1 posted...

KILBOTz posted...

The child of a rich person is certainly likely to be rich themselves. But if they didn't do anything to build that wealth or grow it, I don't think they are successful, they are leaches living a good leach life.

Success to me is more earning the money yourself, having patents or published papers or winning industry awards, stuff like that.

And my point (as well as COVxy's I guess) is that IQ in itself is likely heavily dependent on the environment you were brought up in, which is why, if you control for parents' wealth, the correlation between high IQ and what you define as success goes way, way down.

Affluent parents are certainly more likely to raise their children in a way that the child is mostly likely to reach their intellectual potential, I agree with that.

Google suggest genetic vs environment for intelligence, it is anywhere between 40-80% genetic. But that is a pretty big variation. Bottom line though, yes, affluent children do have higher IQs than poorer children and a good portion of that is environmental. Exactly how much seems to have no consensus.
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As someone with a high IQ:

https://dissention.wordpress.com/2012/12/11/question-for-high-iq-and-hbd-aware-morons/

https://dissention.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/the-fundamental-problem-with-iq-based-arguments/

https://dissention.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/what-the-behavior-of-physicians-academics-and-lawyers-says-about-iq/

i agree with this stuff.
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Sami1000 posted...

Any links to these studies?

A quick browse at Google Scholar finds a plethora of studies on the correlation between depression/mental illness and low emotional intelligence. But idk
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